Should ASL be Banned from Deaf Ed programs?

shel90 · 09-29-2008, 09:38 PM

It seems that I am getting the feeling that ASL is blamed for a lot of literacy problems but nobody has really said it right out...should ASL be banned from all Deaf ed programs?

U dont have to post here..just vote.

I just see a lot of negativity against ASL as being the root of literacy problems so I was curious.

For me, I think ASL really enchances literacy development and higher thinking skills in deaf children.

jillio · 09-29-2008, 09:43 PM

You didn't have "absolutely and most definately not!" so I just voted "no."

lumbingmi · 09-29-2008, 09:43 PM

Oralist and CI supporters are usually the groups who are against ASL being taught to deaf children.

I say hell with them and burn them to the stake!

Babyblue · 09-29-2008, 10:07 PM

I voted no.

ASL is the primary communication skills. Teachers and parents need to reinforce proper grammar along with ASL. I have seen many deafs use ASL and have better grammar than a lot of hearing people.

shel90 · 09-29-2008, 10:07 PM

Wow! 3 people voted yes...interesting.

ClearSky · 09-29-2008, 10:09 PM

I voted no, but I don't believe that ASL helps literacy in a great way.

I think children should use SEE in schools and home. Socially use ASL. They are young, and they can pick up on SEE as it is in books and English language. Even though, deaf children will take awhile to pick up on the language, and that's normal because they're not picking up language by hearing everyone out there. If people think they can do ASL, so they can do SEE. I think the deaf community is just afraid that ASL will disappear. I think that ASL is always learned by many people later as an adult when they know English first. ASL, I think, should be like a second language. I think that the saying that ASL is their natural language is bullcrap, and it says to me that people don't believe in them to learn the English language first hand.

That's my opinion and only my opinion.

shel90 · 09-29-2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by lumbingmi

Oralist and CI supporters are usually the groups who are against ASL being taught to deaf children.

I say hell with them and burn them to the stake!

shel90 · 09-29-2008, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClearSky

I voted no, but I don't believe that ASL helps literacy in a great way.

I think children should use SEE in schools and home. Socially use ASL. They are young, and they can pick up on SEE as it is in books and English language. Even though, deaf children will take awhile to pick up on the language, and that's normal because they're not picking up language by hearing everyone out there. If people think they can do ASL, so they can do SEE. I think the deaf community is just afraid that ASL will disappear. I think that ASL is always learned by many people later as an adult when they know English first. ASL, I think, should be like a second language. I think that the saying that ASL is their natural language is bullcrap, and it says to me that people don't believe in them to learn the English language first hand.

That's my opinion and only my opinion.

I respect your opinion but I see the opposite daily as a teacher for the deaf.

dead money · 09-29-2008, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClearSky

I voted no, but I don't believe that ASL helps literacy in a great way.

I think children should use SEE in schools and home. Socially use ASL. They are young, and they can pick up on SEE as it is in books and English language. Even though, deaf children will take awhile to pick up on the language, and that's normal because they're not picking up language by hearing everyone out there. If people think they can do ASL, so they can do SEE. I think the deaf community is just afraid that ASL will disappear. I think that ASL is always learned by many people later as an adult when they know English first. ASL, I think, should be like a second language. I think that the saying that ASL is their natural language is bullcrap, and it says to me that people don't believe in them to learn the English language first hand.

That's my opinion and only my opinion.

i concur. After all, the english speaking world we live in IS english and not ASL. IF americas primary language was ASL then you should be able to toss SEE signing concepts out the window. Unfortunatly its not. Now, i understand its a more complicated version of signing and thats why that wasnt the path that was chosen since the deaf rely on emotion and visualization that IS the foundation of ASL but it should definatly be encouraged in schools. Just my 2 cents.

Oceanbreeze · 09-29-2008, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

You didn't have "absolutely and most definately not!" so I just voted "no."

You're bad!

I voted no.

web730 · 09-29-2008, 11:20 PM

I voted NO!

It has proven ASL used as the best early intervention tool for the deaf children to learn English than any other methods taught that I have seen and was told so far.

Deaf's most strength sense is the EYE! Therefore start with the visual language the first thing... that is natural thing like a gene.

IslandGal · 09-29-2008, 11:24 PM

I voted no!

KarissaMann05 · 09-29-2008, 11:27 PM

Only if the ASL or sign languages is/are banned, I don't want my future kids to go in the "go back to oral system" crappy schools. I am just go for homeschool instead.

I voted NO. Deaf students deserve both spoken and sign languages, my opinion...

lumbingmi · 09-29-2008, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shel90

Wow! 3 people voted yes...interesting.

I think we know who voted 'yes' but can't call out due to alldeaf's policy of calling out members. Already got a warning from mod

jillio · 09-29-2008, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dead money

i concur. After all, the english speaking world we live in IS english and not ASL. IF americas primary language was ASL then you should be able to toss SEE signing concepts out the window. Unfortunatly its not. Now, i understand its a more complicated version of signing and thats why that wasnt the path that was chosen since the deaf rely on emotion and visualization that IS the foundation of ASL but it should definatly be encouraged in schools. Just my 2 cents.

SEE is not more complicated...it is just more cumbersome. And, it uses artificial signs and English syntax that make sense when processed auditorily, but do not make sense when processed visually. It creates a confusinglinguistic environment and prevents a child from having accurrate models of any language. Likewise, much research into the actual practice of programs stating that they use SEE for instruction has found that SEE is not the mode used in practice, but a PSE is used in practice.

jillio · 09-29-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by oceanbreeze

you're bad!

I voted no.

ouch! :p

deafdyke · 09-29-2008, 11:40 PM

Not at ALL.
The reason for the poor test scores is SIMPLE......it's basicly a second language. Deaf kids approach English as a second language. You see a lot of the same acheivement issues in "bilingal" (actually limited English) programs!

faire_jour · 09-29-2008, 11:52 PM

Is there a choice stronger that "NO!"? I want to pick that one!

Liebling:-))) · 09-29-2008, 11:57 PM

I voted no.

I do not beleive that speaking itself improve literacy problems but reading and writing. I see no excuse to blame ASL for lead literacy problem because million hearing people have the problem with literacy.

Sign language only helps you understand, that´s all.

JClarke · 09-30-2008, 12:20 AM

I am going to be brief here and that applies for the aussie people as well. I voted 'no flippin' way' and that ASL and AUSLAN must be madandory to make sure both worlds are communicated within each other. Why with the ban? It is just pointless.

Just IMHO

Sunshinelady · 09-30-2008, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KarissaMann05

Only if the ASL or sign languages is/are banned, I don't want my future kids to go in the "go back to oral system" crappy schools. I am just go for homeschool instead.

I voted NO. Deaf students deserve both spoken and sign languages, my opinion...

I agree with you. I voted No!

lumbingmi · 09-30-2008, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KarissaMann05

Only if the ASL or sign languages is/are banned, I don't want my future kids to go in the "go back to oral system" crappy schools. I am just go for homeschool instead.

I voted NO. Deaf students deserve both spoken and sign languages, my opinion...

Yes. Booooo @ oral and speech theraphy

faire_jour · 09-30-2008, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumbingmi

Yes. Booooo @ oral and speech theraphy

So kids aren't allowed to have speech? I disagree with that sentiment.

restless_heart · 09-30-2008, 01:02 AM

I vote no.

The reason I vote no because I do have experinces btwn oral only and SEE...
I feel deaf children should keep learning ASL (and SEE if it is still around...) because think of it...some cases, like me for one, I was happy that I was taught oral, but one problem is when my hearing battery died, I couldn't understand read lipery at all, I must hear to read lips, so with sign language do help. Your eyes needs a break from time to time, ASL will relax you more and to enjoy any education while you can. Oral or speech theapy is great for other things for like outside life...Sign language do help you speak and learn things quickly no matter what so I vote no and they still take Oral Course as another education like SEX or Driver's courses in school like some people do take ASL Courses...

Kuifje75 · 09-30-2008, 01:07 AM

I dont think that ASL is to be blamed for poor literacy. I think it is the school system itself that sets up for that. Some hearing teachers automatically assume that Deaf people can't learn English, so they resign themselves to bad methods teaching English, especially the oral approach. Imagine yourself being placed in a Chinese classroom and not being able to use English at all to learn Chinese. That would be a toughie.

I have learned German, and also other languages by using English as a tool or rather as a reference to compare to. Now I become fluent in German, and have noticed that my English has improved because I am able to understand how the German grammar and syntax works. Then I am able to apply that back to English and make comparisons.

We do not have ASL courses in our schools, and I think we should! Even for deaf students. If we are able to learn about the grammar and rules for our own language, and then make comparisons with English, then I think it would be tremendous help for making the bridge between ASL, English and literacy. I have noticed that some Deaf people have very poor literacy skills in English, but have excellent literacy skills in ASL. And also vice versa.

Of course, this one method would probably not be "one size fits all" approach. We need to make sure we take in our students' learning styles in account and tailor our lessons to fit their needs. It's a problem in deaf schools, where so many different learning styles exist in one classroom. I take my hat off to teachers who undertake these formidable challenges. Hats off!

Nathan · 09-30-2008, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacob

I am going to be brief here and that applies for the aussie people as well. I voted 'no flippin' way' and that ASL and AUSLAN must be madandory to make sure both worlds are communicated within each other. Why with the ban? It is just pointless.

Just IMHO

Agreed, heck hell no. While they are still given speech therapy, so it not a problem. But ban...? Pointless. It's an education to us.

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09-29-2008, 09:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
shel90 Sun Whorshipper Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: A Desert Rat that has found herself in Maryland Posts: 16,119 Blog Entries: 1	Should ASL be Banned from Deaf Ed programs? It seems that I am getting the feeling that ASL is blamed for a lot of literacy problems but nobody has really said it right out...should ASL be banned from all Deaf ed programs? U dont have to post here..just vote. I just see a lot of negativity against ASL as being the root of literacy problems so I was curious. For me, I think ASL really enchances literacy development and higher thinking skills in deaf children. __________________ ~Shel~ "A child educated only at school is an uneducated child." -George Santayana

09-29-2008, 09:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
lumbingmi Invigorated Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 4,243	Oralist and CI supporters are usually the groups who are against ASL being taught to deaf children. I say hell with them and burn them to the stake! __________________ Picard: Seize the time, Meribor, live now. Make now always the most precious time. Now will never come again. Meribor: I love you, father.

09-29-2008, 10:07 PM	#5 (permalink)
shel90 Sun Whorshipper Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: A Desert Rat that has found herself in Maryland Posts: 16,119 Blog Entries: 1	Wow! 3 people voted yes...interesting. __________________ ~Shel~ "A child educated only at school is an uneducated child." -George Santayana

09-29-2008, 11:20 PM	#11 (permalink)
web730 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 1,820	I voted NO! It has proven ASL used as the best early intervention tool for the deaf children to learn English than any other methods taught that I have seen and was told so far. Deaf's most strength sense is the EYE! Therefore start with the visual language the first thing... that is natural thing like a gene. __________________

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09-29-2008, 09:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
jillio Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,170	You didn't have "absolutely and most definately not!" so I just voted "no."

09-29-2008, 10:07 PM	#4 (permalink)
Babyblue Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 1,549	I voted no. ASL is the primary communication skills. Teachers and parents need to reinforce proper grammar along with ASL. I have seen many deafs use ASL and have better grammar than a lot of hearing people.

09-29-2008, 10:09 PM	#6 (permalink)
ClearSky Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,082	I voted no, but I don't believe that ASL helps literacy in a great way. I think children should use SEE in schools and home. Socially use ASL. They are young, and they can pick up on SEE as it is in books and English language. Even though, deaf children will take awhile to pick up on the language, and that's normal because they're not picking up language by hearing everyone out there. If people think they can do ASL, so they can do SEE. I think the deaf community is just afraid that ASL will disappear. I think that ASL is always learned by many people later as an adult when they know English first. ASL, I think, should be like a second language. I think that the saying that ASL is their natural language is bullcrap, and it says to me that people don't believe in them to learn the English language first hand. That's my opinion and only my opinion.

09-29-2008, 11:24 PM	#12 (permalink)
IslandGal Hi ya! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sunshine State Posts: 4,323	I voted no!

09-29-2008, 11:27 PM	#13 (permalink)
KarissaMann05 Jessie's Character Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,834 Blog Entries: 6	Only if the ASL or sign languages is/are banned, I don't want my future kids to go in the "go back to oral system" crappy schools. I am just go for homeschool instead. I voted NO. Deaf students deserve both spoken and sign languages, my opinion... __________________ Credit by KarissaMann05

09-29-2008, 11:40 PM	#17 (permalink)
deafdyke So NOT a Princess! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Trebekistan Posts: 6,684	Not at ALL. The reason for the poor test scores is SIMPLE......it's basicly a second language. Deaf kids approach English as a second language. You see a lot of the same acheivement issues in "bilingal" (actually limited English) programs!

09-29-2008, 11:52 PM	#18 (permalink)
faire_jour Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 579	Is there a choice stronger that "NO!"? I want to pick that one! __________________ -Melissa Jensen Mom to Miss Kat- 5, bilateral progressive loss, just became severe-profound (implanted 11-03-08 with a right side AB, activated 11-21-08) http://misskatsmom.blogspot.com/

09-29-2008, 11:57 PM	#19 (permalink)
Liebling:-))) My 3 darling princesses Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 27,021	I voted no. I do not beleive that speaking itself improve literacy problems but reading and writing. I see no excuse to blame ASL for lead literacy problem because million hearing people have the problem with literacy. Sign language only helps you understand, that´s all. __________________

09-30-2008, 12:20 AM	#20 (permalink)
JClarke AD addict Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 14,103 Blog Entries: 4	I am going to be brief here and that applies for the aussie people as well. I voted 'no flippin' way' and that ASL and AUSLAN must be madandory to make sure both worlds are communicated within each other. Why with the ban? It is just pointless. Just IMHO __________________ This is not a ASL version

09-30-2008, 01:02 AM	#24 (permalink)
restless_heart ...Forever undefeated... Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: somewhere in the mountain, Pennsylvania Posts: 1,150	I vote no. The reason I vote no because I do have experinces btwn oral only and SEE... I feel deaf children should keep learning ASL (and SEE if it is still around...) because think of it...some cases, like me for one, I was happy that I was taught oral, but one problem is when my hearing battery died, I couldn't understand read lipery at all, I must hear to read lips, so with sign language do help. Your eyes needs a break from time to time, ASL will relax you more and to enjoy any education while you can. Oral or speech theapy is great for other things for like outside life...Sign language do help you speak and learn things quickly no matter what so I vote no and they still take Oral Course as another education like SEX or Driver's courses in school like some people do take ASL Courses... __________________ Never Give Up: My Stroke, My Recovery & My return to NFL...by Tedy Bruschi

09-30-2008, 01:07 AM	#25 (permalink)
Kuifje75 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 431	I dont think that ASL is to be blamed for poor literacy. I think it is the school system itself that sets up for that. Some hearing teachers automatically assume that Deaf people can't learn English, so they resign themselves to bad methods teaching English, especially the oral approach. Imagine yourself being placed in a Chinese classroom and not being able to use English at all to learn Chinese. That would be a toughie. I have learned German, and also other languages by using English as a tool or rather as a reference to compare to. Now I become fluent in German, and have noticed that my English has improved because I am able to understand how the German grammar and syntax works. Then I am able to apply that back to English and make comparisons. We do not have ASL courses in our schools, and I think we should! Even for deaf students. If we are able to learn about the grammar and rules for our own language, and then make comparisons with English, then I think it would be tremendous help for making the bridge between ASL, English and literacy. I have noticed that some Deaf people have very poor literacy skills in English, but have excellent literacy skills in ASL. And also vice versa. Of course, this one method would probably not be "one size fits all" approach. We need to make sure we take in our students' learning styles in account and tailor our lessons to fit their needs. It's a problem in deaf schools, where so many different learning styles exist in one classroom. I take my hat off to teachers who undertake these formidable challenges. Hats off! __________________ Megvan a repülőjegyem, az útlevelem, kész vagyok az útazásra.

09-30-2008, 01:26 AM	#27 (permalink)
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