Would you support BIBI programs as a national standard for Deaf ED?

dreamchaser · 05-21-2008, 04:34 AM

If we had a standard preference for Deaf ED, what would you like to see? Many people I talk to prefer BIBI because it is more consistent.

What do you think?

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Deaf Mortgage · 05-21-2008, 07:25 AM

yes

Cheri · 05-21-2008, 07:53 AM

I have not experienced that program to even say I support it, before I could voted I would have to witness the program with my own eyes and see how it benefits the deaf world wide, so at this time, I chosen not to vote rather I support it or not.

jillio · 05-21-2008, 08:56 AM

I would most definately support Bi-Bi as a national standard. Worldwide is a different topic.

Oceanbreeze · 05-21-2008, 11:24 AM

I don't know that much about the bi-bi approach, but from what I do understand of it, I would support it's use as a national standard.

Buffalo · 05-21-2008, 04:16 PM

Yes! Yes! Yes!

shel90 · 05-21-2008, 07:39 PM

Yep!

Grummer · 05-21-2008, 08:31 PM

yes , like jillio said, for each other coutnries its going to have to face unique situations, different political backdrops, and different sets of trends which parents fo deaf children might follow, and how powerful are each 'Deaf advisors' have, also how much influence does a local deaf community possess and oh not to mention Deaf associations...
on the last count, i fear Deaf associations are becoming less and less trustable for deaf community as they are become more and more representive of their own "Deaf professionals' ideology, and not much with Grassroots, moreso that they tend to proclaim individation ideology which also meant less support for Deaf/deaf people, its PISSES me OFF big time.....

i thnk its high time we ought to create a new organisation (they do have it in USA, UK, but not OZ or NZ, or such......something to do with so-called lack of deaf population my arse) back to topic, to create something like "Deaf People Now" (not Deaf prez now) but its certainly not so much about not about Cutlural deaf being in charge its more about deaf peoples rights to autonomy and more power to choose and fire interpreters, and more power to negotiate workplace accommodation conditions (hence more abilty to be involved at managerial level over time, due to syncronised promotions)

but yep bi-bi is the most suitable method to carry out deaf education - no arguements there, only arguement we have about it, its against the feking hearing thugs controlling the funds (while they claims to be on 'our side' to battle for it- sic) whos straggling us, and preventing its actualisation by using with "Deaf professionals" doing the brown-nosing.....

Bottesini · 05-21-2008, 08:54 PM

Yes, as I replied when you asked me directly in the thread "If you want the hearies to hear you, get involved, here is how! up to you!" But I guess repetition does not hurt anything.

Miss-Delectable · 05-21-2008, 11:30 PM

*hands waving*........Yup

deafbajagal · 05-21-2008, 11:38 PM

YES!!!!

Interpretrator · 05-22-2008, 12:46 AM

If it were correctly implemented, which most bi-bi programs are not, then absolutely.

Buffalo · 05-22-2008, 01:22 AM

I also would like to see more Deaf teachers. I have read Harlan's 'When the Mind Hears" that there are so many Deaf teachers that Laurent Clerc turned out at Hartford. Alexander G. Bell urged all Deaf teachers to be removed when the schools turned to oral method. That is a powerful message to the Deaf kids. The Deaf teachers fresh out of college still have trouble getting hired at the schools for the Deaf! I want to see more Deaf teachers so it could send powerful messages to the Deaf kids. I want the kids to think "Wow, those several Deaf teachers of mine are teaching in this school. If they can became teachers then I certainly can be a teacher or anything else I want to be!."

Brian · 05-22-2008, 01:33 AM

Yeah, why not?!

dreamchaser · 05-22-2008, 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Interpretrator

If it were correctly implemented, which most bi-bi programs are not, then absolutely.

Can you help me to understand what needs to fixed about the implementation of BIBI, and how it can be addressed? What are the problems that are occurring?

I know very little about it. Thank you.

Lavender · 05-22-2008, 01:58 AM

sowwie, kinda disagree.

dreamchaser · 05-22-2008, 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lavender

sowwie, kinda disagree.

Hi Lav, I am interested in knowing what you think would be a good deaf ed program. What is it about BIBI that you don't like. I am trying to learn all I can about it including the bad stuff. Thanks

iaskedalice09 · 11-07-2008, 08:53 PM

I support bilingual education as a national standard, even for hearings. Americans need to learn more languages.

I agree that most BiBi programmes are run incorrectly. Yes, you need to codeswitch for people for whom ASL is a second language and still learning, but the proper way for them to learn ASL is in an ASL environment. Also, English is STILL taught monolingually, which is wrong for L1-ASLers. Concepts should be taught in ASL so they really get it. Drilling doesn't work, processing a language does. I used ASL alongside English in my ASL class and as a result, I am very proficient reading strong-ASL people. I use ASL a lot at my school for the Deaf especially in the dorms.

Point is, ASL was introduced using written English to me first, my first language. Spoken English is usually not accessible aurally for me. I find my best classes at OSD are those that are taught in ASL...I have a faster and easier processing time when it is visual. I could never think monolingually again, when typing THIS, the little interpreter in my head is signing away.

Bottesini · 11-07-2008, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iaskedalice09

I support bilingual education as a national standard, even for hearings. Americans need to learn more languages.

I agree that most BiBi programmes are run incorrectly. Yes, you need to codeswitch for people for whom ASL is a second language and still learning, but the proper way for them to learn ASL is in an ASL environment. Also, English is STILL taught monolingually, which is wrong for L1-ASLers. Concepts should be taught in ASL so they really get it. Drilling doesn't work, processing a language does. I used ASL alongside English in my ASL class and as a result, I am very proficient reading strong-ASL people. I use ASL a lot at my school for the Deaf especially in the dorms.

Point is, ASL was introduced using written English to me first, my first language. Spoken English is usually not accessible aurally for me. I find my best classes at OSD are those that are taught in ASL...I have a faster and easier processing time when it is visual. I could never think monolingually again, when typing THIS, the little interpreter in my head is signing away.

That will get you in trouble and slow you down later if true. Luckily, I think you are just enthused by your first exposure to ASL. True fluency means you can think in either one.

Hear Again · 11-07-2008, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jillio

I would most definately support Bi-Bi as a national standard. Worldwide is a different topic.

So would I.

web730 · 11-07-2008, 09:41 PM

Yes!!

There are some BiBi resources available (with links) at:

Deaf Progressivism: DBC's concerns about HEAR Indiana's Conference

~♥~Pinky~♥~ · 11-07-2008, 10:49 PM

Yes!

faire_jour · 11-08-2008, 12:10 AM

Yes, but only if we shape up our Deaf schools. There are many that call themselves bi-bi but aren't. I would also have to see improvements in the way that bi-bi schools handle children who are fluent spoken language users, either hoh or CI users.

dreama · 11-16-2008, 11:43 PM

Yes, Definately.

jillio · 11-17-2008, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreama

Yes, Definately.

Here's a suggestion. If you would support it, how about spending your time campaigning and speaking out for the rights of deaf children to an equal educational opportunity in your country? This is a cause where your voice is actually needed and wanted, unlike the abortion issue.

dreama · 11-17-2008, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jillio

Here's a suggestion. If you would support it, how about spending your time campaigning and speaking out for the rights of deaf children to an equal educational opportunity in your country? This is a cause where your voice is actually needed and wanted, unlike the abortion issue.

What's to stop me doing both?

***Jolie77*** · 11-17-2008, 05:24 PM

I definitely would support Bi-Bi programs as a national standard. What is better getting both languages/culture than none at all?

Daredevel7 · 11-17-2008, 05:58 PM

I support a national standard. I am not 100% sure if Bi-Bi is best, but that is mostly because I've never personally experienced it, and even though I've definitely read about it, the descriptions are unclear. Best description I've gotten was from Shel90, and I support her description of Bi-Bi, but who is to say that just because a school practices the Bi-Bi philosophy would have the same specifications? I think we should have a national standard in order to AT LEAST help the kids who do not have much support (parental or otherwise).

shel90 · 11-17-2008, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jolie77

I definitely would support Bi-Bi programs as a national standard. What is better getting both languages/culture than none at all?

That's the whole point..too many deaf kids go through school without a strong language foundation.

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Cheri Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,013	I have not experienced that program to even say I support it, before I could voted I would have to witness the program with my own eyes and see how it benefits the deaf world wide, so at this time, I chosen not to vote rather I support it or not.

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Grummer Burn fat off your soul Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: North Island in the South Posts: 1,045	yes , like jillio said, for each other coutnries its going to have to face unique situations, different political backdrops, and different sets of trends which parents fo deaf children might follow, and how powerful are each 'Deaf advisors' have, also how much influence does a local deaf community possess and oh not to mention Deaf associations... on the last count, i fear Deaf associations are becoming less and less trustable for deaf community as they are become more and more representive of their own "Deaf professionals' ideology, and not much with Grassroots, moreso that they tend to proclaim individation ideology which also meant less support for Deaf/deaf people, its PISSES me OFF big time..... i thnk its high time we ought to create a new organisation (they do have it in USA, UK, but not OZ or NZ, or such......something to do with so-called lack of deaf population my arse) back to topic, to create something like "Deaf People Now" (not Deaf prez now) but its certainly not so much about not about Cutlural deaf being in charge its more about deaf peoples rights to autonomy and more power to choose and fire interpreters, and more power to negotiate workplace accommodation conditions (hence more abilty to be involved at managerial level over time, due to syncronised promotions) but yep bi-bi is the most suitable method to carry out deaf education - no arguements there, only arguement we have about it, its against the feking hearing thugs controlling the funds (while they claims to be on 'our side' to battle for it- sic) whos straggling us, and preventing its actualisation by using with "Deaf professionals" doing the brown-nosing.....

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deafbajagal Jasmine's Tiger "Lilly" Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA Posts: 2,104	YES!!!!

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Interpretrator Crime fighter Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,425	If it were correctly implemented, which most bi-bi programs are not, then absolutely.

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Buffalo Anobium Pertinax Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,467	I also would like to see more Deaf teachers. I have read Harlan's 'When the Mind Hears" that there are so many Deaf teachers that Laurent Clerc turned out at Hartford. Alexander G. Bell urged all Deaf teachers to be removed when the schools turned to oral method. That is a powerful message to the Deaf kids. The Deaf teachers fresh out of college still have trouble getting hired at the schools for the Deaf! I want to see more Deaf teachers so it could send powerful messages to the Deaf kids. I want the kids to think "Wow, those several Deaf teachers of mine are teaching in this school. If they can became teachers then I certainly can be a teacher or anything else I want to be!." __________________ It isn't that they can't see the solution. It is that they can't see the problem. - Gilbert Chesterton

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iaskedalice09 Mavericky Deaf Militant Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 41	I support bilingual education as a national standard, even for hearings. Americans need to learn more languages. I agree that most BiBi programmes are run incorrectly. Yes, you need to codeswitch for people for whom ASL is a second language and still learning, but the proper way for them to learn ASL is in an ASL environment. Also, English is STILL taught monolingually, which is wrong for L1-ASLers. Concepts should be taught in ASL so they really get it. Drilling doesn't work, processing a language does. I used ASL alongside English in my ASL class and as a result, I am very proficient reading strong-ASL people. I use ASL a lot at my school for the Deaf especially in the dorms. Point is, ASL was introduced using written English to me first, my first language. Spoken English is usually not accessible aurally for me. I find my best classes at OSD are those that are taught in ASL...I have a faster and easier processing time when it is visual. I could never think monolingually again, when typing THIS, the little interpreter in my head is signing away. __________________ Obama/Biden 2008!

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*Jolie77* Love all, trust a few. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kentucky, USA (The Bluegrass State) Posts: 5,497	I definitely would support Bi-Bi programs as a national standard. What is better getting both languages/culture than none at all? __________________

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Daredevel7 Adrenaline Junky Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 626	I support a national standard. I am not 100% sure if Bi-Bi is best, but that is mostly because I've never personally experienced it, and even though I've definitely read about it, the descriptions are unclear. Best description I've gotten was from Shel90, and I support her description of Bi-Bi, but who is to say that just because a school practices the Bi-Bi philosophy would have the same specifications? I think we should have a national standard in order to AT LEAST help the kids who do not have much support (parental or otherwise).