Is it OK for an ASL teacher to be Hearing? - Page 2

AquaBlue · 03-15-2008, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bebonang

Hey, nobody is perfect with teaching the ASL language. Jillio is right that no matter who is teaching whether they are hearing, Deaf, or HOH. It is all accounts of how to teach properly. I try to teach the hearing students in the small college and I don't think I am that good a teacher but they are interest in learning to sign. So I gave my job as a teacher to help them understand ASL and also discuss about Deaf culture and Deaf communities. Some of them are not that interest while other students are interest. It is not a sign language class. It is more of a general class like Math, English, Study Skills, Computer Lab Studies and ASL. I only give them fifteen minutes between class times. My teacher love it and she learns a lot from me.

Good teachers are hard to find. If you are blessed with one, count yourself lucky. I am writing in general terms- deaf, hearing, whatever. Having a real teacher conduct your class is like finding buried treasure or winning the lottery jackpot.

Truly, teaching requires the talent to communicate clearly the subject being taught; sadly, few do that right.

fredfam1 · 03-20-2008, 03:01 PM

ASL class « This Momma Wore Army Boots

The above link is a copy of a news article about the ASL class I taught to hearing parents for hearing children. I had a blast. Now that its over my kids and I are getting back to studying our cued speech. So much to study and learn! The world is our classroom!

GarnetTigerMom · 03-20-2008, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

Good teachers are hard to find. If you are blessed with one, count yourself lucky. I am writing in general terms- deaf, hearing, whatever. Having a real teacher conduct your class is like finding buried treasure or winning the lottery jackpot.

Truly, teaching requires the talent to communicate clearly the subject being taught; sadly, few do that right.

Amen to that, I think the world need to stop too much discrimination in today world.

Dr. Strangelove · 03-21-2008, 01:01 PM

For me to accept a hearing person to teach ASL, they will have to impress me greatly, and strongly refrain from using their voices at all in class.
It is rare for a hearing person to be truly qualified to teach ASL. I know a lot of hearing people teach ASL, and its not truly ASL, I've met some 'teachers' of ASL who signed in SEE. I wished and KNEW I could take their job right then and there, but I need a degree first.

Just ask yourselves this.. Would the ASL department at Gallaudet University, the world's leading authority on ASL EVER hire a hearing person to teach ASL/Deaf Studies? I strongly say no. It would be a SLAP IN THE FACE to the deaf students of Gallaudet. Anywhere else is different.

Edit: Cued speech? what the hell?

shel90 · 03-21-2008, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove

For me to accept a hearing person to teach ASL, they will have to impress me greatly, and strongly refrain from using their voices at all in class.
It is rare for a hearing person to be truly qualified to teach ASL. I know a lot of hearing people teach ASL, and its not truly ASL, I've met some 'teachers' of ASL who signed in SEE. I wished and KNEW I could take their job right then and there, but I need a degree first.

Just ask yourselves this.. Would the ASL department at Gallaudet University, the world's leading authority on ASL EVER hire a hearing person to teach ASL/Deaf Studies? I strongly say no. It would be a SLAP IN THE FACE to the deaf students of Gallaudet. Anywhere else is different.

Edit: Cued speech? what the hell?

All of my ASL teachers at Arizona State University (4 of them) were deaf.

jillio · 03-24-2008, 03:25 PM

[quote=Dr. Strangelove;942869]For me to accept a hearing person to teach ASL, they will have to impress me greatly, and strongly refrain from using their voices at all in class.
It is rare for a hearing person to be truly qualified to teach ASL. I know a lot of hearing people teach ASL, and its not truly ASL, I've met some 'teachers' of ASL who signed in SEE. I wished and KNEW I could take their job right then and there, but I need a degree first.

Just ask yourselves this.. Would the ASL department at Gallaudet University, the world's leading authority on ASL EVER hire a hearing person to teach ASL/Deaf Studies? I strongly say no. It would be a SLAP IN THE FACE to the deaf students of Gallaudet. Anywhere else is different.

Edit: Cued speech? what the hell?[/QUOTE]

fredfam1 · 03-25-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove

For me to accept a hearing person to teach ASL, they will have to impress me greatly, and strongly refrain from using their voices at all in class.
It is rare for a hearing person to be truly qualified to teach ASL. I know a lot of hearing people teach ASL, and its not truly ASL, I've met some 'teachers' of ASL who signed in SEE. I wished and KNEW I could take their job right then and there, but I need a degree first.

Just ask yourselves this.. Would the ASL department at Gallaudet University, the world's leading authority on ASL EVER hire a hearing person to teach ASL/Deaf Studies? I strongly say no. It would be a SLAP IN THE FACE to the deaf students of Gallaudet. Anywhere else is different.

Edit: Cued speech? what the hell?

Sorry, was a continuation of thought on another thread. Cued speech is on my home schooling program this year for reading comprehension, but had to put it on hold in order to teach ASL class. My kids were helping me teach the ASL class so something had to give this semester. I'm not organized enough to keep that many items on their study list.

dreamchaser · 04-16-2008, 04:01 PM

I have been really lucky with my ASL teachers. The first one was Deaf, but she moved to teach at Berkley. She is still a friend and we email. She was about 30 years old and a lot of fun, and very patient with us hearies. My second teacher was hearing, but she disallowed voice for ninety percent of the class time. That was in the first year. She had been all over the world working with the Deaf for most of her life, and she worked with the peace corps over seas with Deaf children. She loves the Deaf community and taught us a great deal about Deaf culture by sharing her own mistakes,, which were usually hilarious. My teacher now is Deaf, and her other job is to advocate for Deaf rights. She takes me to bonko games and such, and sometimes we just hang out. She about 53. She is wonderful and I love her, but she is so darn fluent, that her hands sometimes fly so fast that nobody, not even another Deafie can understand her. Many times at a Deaf gathering people will tell her to slow down. The one thing all of my teachers had in common was great ASL skill and love. I think that those are the most important ingredients to any teacher of any subject. Proficient skill and love for all people. Just my opnion.

Deaf Mortgage · 04-16-2008, 04:42 PM

ASL teacher must learn to turn off the voice and enforce silence of noises.

Only noises we should make is... PAH!

That will give them a true understanding of culture as whole.

That way the students will not cheat with sound from teacher and actually learns in classroom or anywhere.

Pacman · 04-17-2008, 07:48 PM

Yup, it's ok for hearing people to be ASL teacher, even if school district cannot find deaf ASL teacher or can't get one then hearing ASL teacher would be other options.

It's better than nothing.

DragonYoga · 04-17-2008, 08:23 PM

IMO it's all about the ability and desire to teach, not just the fluency. At my college, it's only the Deaf that teach ASL 1 - 4, and a hearing woman who is CODA (her father's a well-known member of the Deaf community) teaches Sim-Com.

At my hearing friend's university - which is about 2 hours away from me - a deaf woman is teaching ASL. However, my friend absolutely loathes her. She is a terrible teacher, doesn't teach in order, and refuses to explain stuff. My friend has told me that she has learned more from me in one weekend than from that teacher in a semester.... and I think that's pretty sad. I personally know her teacher, and I do see why. She doesn't put aside her... hatred...of the hearing community enough to be able to teach effectively. Which is pretty strange, considering she's married to a hearing man... I donno.

Interpretrator · 04-17-2008, 09:58 PM

The worst ASL teacher I ever had was Deaf. She was a wonderful signer and introduced me to Deaf culture but she had no idea at all how to teach ASL. Her ideas were grounded in language teaching from the '60s.

The best ASL teachers I had were hearing. One was a CODA and one had extensive experience with NTD. Their methodology was up to date and their knowledge of and acceptance into Deaf culture went deep.

I would in a heartbeat recommend those hearing teachers over the Deaf teacher.

shel90 · 04-17-2008, 10:12 PM

I agree with many of you..a person's hearing status does not automatically make him/her qualified to teach ASL.
Many people tell me that I should get a job teaching ASL at a community college simply because I am Deaf. I dont understand how that makes me an expert in teaching ASL. If I am going to teach ASL, I need to go back to school and learn more about it. I wouldnt want to waste people's money.

***VamPyroX*** · 04-22-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Interpretrator

The worst ASL teacher I ever had was Deaf. She was a wonderful signer and introduced me to Deaf culture but she had no idea at all how to teach ASL. Her ideas were grounded in language teaching from the '60s.

The best ASL teachers I had were hearing. One was a CODA and one had extensive experience with NTD. Their methodology was up to date and their knowledge of and acceptance into Deaf culture went deep.

I would in a heartbeat recommend those hearing teachers over the Deaf teacher.

I agree. I've had my share of "worst teachers" that were deaf too.

faire_jour · 04-29-2008, 12:12 PM

I've had 4 Deaf ASL teachers, and one hearing teacher who taught a conversation (in ASL) classand all my interpreting classes (also conducted in ASL). The only problem I have with hearing teachers is that, in my experience, when things get complicated or in a hurry, they drop the ASL and voice. Not a great idea.

terpguy72 · 05-07-2008, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by fredfam1

Well, I am teaching a Baby ASL class to hearing parents of hearing children. My only qualifications, I have home schooled 7 children for 20 years, taken 6 ASL classes, and met my husband due to my very first ASL home work assignment. (and he was hearing at the time we met, just hoh now,lol, not that he'll admit it) Anyway, I know how to teach babies. That is the main qualification I bring to this class. The subject just happens to be ASL. The purpose of the class is to show parents creative ways to help their child acquire the concept of language as early as possible in order to boost their childs cognitive abilities. We had 23 in the class last Tuesday! (Not bad for a small town library.) So, need I be fluent in ASL to teach this class? I hope not! You could never tell I've had 6 ASL classes to observe my receptive skills! Especially if I'm upset! The people are loving the class and I'm enjoying teaching it. Though I readily admit my limitations in this language at the begining of each class.

I'm continually amazed at the misconception people have about teaching ASL. Children growing up need highly qualified teachers and interpreters (if mainstreaming) because they are using these teachers and interpreters as language models. The younger the child, the more qualified the teacher/terp needs to be. So, yes, you SHOULD BE FLUENT to teach ASL to children. They are using you as a foundation for their language skills.

jillio · 05-07-2008, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terpguy72

I'm continually amazed at the misconception people have about teaching ASL. Children growing up need highly qualified teachers and interpreters (if mainstreaming) because they are using these teachers and interpreters as language models. The younger the child, the more qualified the teacher/terp needs to be. So, yes, you SHOULD BE FLUENT to teach ASL to children. They are using you as a foundation for their language skills.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

CrzyMeg · 05-09-2008, 08:03 PM

My opinion is different. I don't mean to offend you but i had a ASL Teacher at my School at this moment, She is very awkward. She doesn't show the right sign. I have to later after class, and show my friends in that class right sign language. Have enough credits and be around a lot of deaf people. That would give a lot of credits than my teacher had.

Lavender · 05-10-2008, 01:13 AM

Ha ha ha.. I'd the same plm with d teachers always given me bad grade at res-cool.

CrzyMeg · 05-10-2008, 11:18 AM

Very funny. I have to teach volunteerly

shel90 · 05-10-2008, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terpguy72

I'm continually amazed at the misconception people have about teaching ASL. Children growing up need highly qualified teachers and interpreters (if mainstreaming) because they are using these teachers and interpreters as language models. The younger the child, the more qualified the teacher/terp needs to be. So, yes, you SHOULD BE FLUENT to teach ASL to children. They are using you as a foundation for their language skills.

Yea, that's why it is preferable for the prek teachers to be someone who is a native ASL user.

03-20-2008, 03:01 PM	#32 (permalink)
fredfam1 Cathe Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 765	ASL class « This Momma Wore Army Boots The above link is a copy of a news article about the ASL class I taught to hearing parents for hearing children. I had a blast. Now that its over my kids and I are getting back to studying our cued speech. So much to study and learn! The world is our classroom! __________________ http://mommasarmyboots.wordpress.com/

03-21-2008, 01:01 PM	#34 (permalink)
Dr. Strangelove Cruisin' Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Cruisin' at 180 mph Posts: 1,208	For me to accept a hearing person to teach ASL, they will have to impress me greatly, and strongly refrain from using their voices at all in class. It is rare for a hearing person to be truly qualified to teach ASL. I know a lot of hearing people teach ASL, and its not truly ASL, I've met some 'teachers' of ASL who signed in SEE. I wished and KNEW I could take their job right then and there, but I need a degree first. Just ask yourselves this.. Would the ASL department at Gallaudet University, the world's leading authority on ASL EVER hire a hearing person to teach ASL/Deaf Studies? I strongly say no. It would be a SLAP IN THE FACE to the deaf students of Gallaudet. Anywhere else is different. Edit: Cued speech? what the hell? __________________ DeafGamersOnline.com XBL GT: XDG Deaf Smith ACHEIVMENT UNLOCKED: Banned for 1 day at AD.com 4/24/07 AD users on my Ignore List: Authenticrap, Jiron00b

04-17-2008, 07:48 PM	#40 (permalink)
Pacman dunno dunno Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 12,157	Yup, it's ok for hearing people to be ASL teacher, even if school district cannot find deaf ASL teacher or can't get one then hearing ASL teacher would be other options. It's better than nothing. __________________ Oh damn, don't mess with me

04-17-2008, 08:23 PM	#41 (permalink)
DragonYoga chocolatechocolate! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: St. Augustine, FL Posts: 154	IMO it's all about the ability and desire to teach, not just the fluency. At my college, it's only the Deaf that teach ASL 1 - 4, and a hearing woman who is CODA (her father's a well-known member of the Deaf community) teaches Sim-Com. At my hearing friend's university - which is about 2 hours away from me - a deaf woman is teaching ASL. However, my friend absolutely loathes her. She is a terrible teacher, doesn't teach in order, and refuses to explain stuff. My friend has told me that she has learned more from me in one weekend than from that teacher in a semester.... and I think that's pretty sad. I personally know her teacher, and I do see why. She doesn't put aside her... hatred...of the hearing community enough to be able to teach effectively. Which is pretty strange, considering she's married to a hearing man... I donno. __________________ MMM...CHOCOLATE!!!

04-17-2008, 10:12 PM	#43 (permalink)
shel90 Sun Whorshipper Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: A Desert Rat that has found herself in Maryland Posts: 12,552 Blog Entries: 1	I agree with many of you..a person's hearing status does not automatically make him/her qualified to teach ASL. Many people tell me that I should get a job teaching ASL at a community college simply because I am Deaf. I dont understand how that makes me an expert in teaching ASL. If I am going to teach ASL, I need to go back to school and learn more about it. I wouldnt want to waste people's money. __________________ ~Shel~

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03-24-2008, 03:25 PM	#36 (permalink)
jillio Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 14,243	[quote=Dr. Strangelove;942869]For me to accept a hearing person to teach ASL, they will have to impress me greatly, and strongly refrain from using their voices at all in class. It is rare for a hearing person to be truly qualified to teach ASL. I know a lot of hearing people teach ASL, and its not truly ASL, I've met some 'teachers' of ASL who signed in SEE. I wished and KNEW I could take their job right then and there, but I need a degree first. Just ask yourselves this.. Would the ASL department at Gallaudet University, the world's leading authority on ASL EVER hire a hearing person to teach ASL/Deaf Studies? I strongly say no. It would be a SLAP IN THE FACE to the deaf students of Gallaudet. Anywhere else is different. Edit: Cued speech? what the hell?[/QUOTE]

04-16-2008, 04:01 PM	#38 (permalink)
dreamchaser Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 548 Blog Entries: 1	I have been really lucky with my ASL teachers. The first one was Deaf, but she moved to teach at Berkley. She is still a friend and we email. She was about 30 years old and a lot of fun, and very patient with us hearies. My second teacher was hearing, but she disallowed voice for ninety percent of the class time. That was in the first year. She had been all over the world working with the Deaf for most of her life, and she worked with the peace corps over seas with Deaf children. She loves the Deaf community and taught us a great deal about Deaf culture by sharing her own mistakes,, which were usually hilarious. My teacher now is Deaf, and her other job is to advocate for Deaf rights. She takes me to bonko games and such, and sometimes we just hang out. She about 53. She is wonderful and I love her, but she is so darn fluent, that her hands sometimes fly so fast that nobody, not even another Deafie can understand her. Many times at a Deaf gathering people will tell her to slow down. The one thing all of my teachers had in common was great ASL skill and love. I think that those are the most important ingredients to any teacher of any subject. Proficient skill and love for all people. Just my opnion.

04-16-2008, 04:42 PM	#39 (permalink)
Deaf Mortgage ASL Mortgage Banker Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 359 Blog Entries: 1	ASL teacher must learn to turn off the voice and enforce silence of noises. Only noises we should make is... PAH! That will give them a true understanding of culture as whole. That way the students will not cheat with sound from teacher and actually learns in classroom or anywhere.

04-17-2008, 09:58 PM	#42 (permalink)
Interpretrator Crime fighter Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,409	The worst ASL teacher I ever had was Deaf. She was a wonderful signer and introduced me to Deaf culture but she had no idea at all how to teach ASL. Her ideas were grounded in language teaching from the '60s. The best ASL teachers I had were hearing. One was a CODA and one had extensive experience with NTD. Their methodology was up to date and their knowledge of and acceptance into Deaf culture went deep. I would in a heartbeat recommend those hearing teachers over the Deaf teacher.

04-29-2008, 12:12 PM	#45 (permalink)
faire_jour Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 105	I've had 4 Deaf ASL teachers, and one hearing teacher who taught a conversation (in ASL) classand all my interpreting classes (also conducted in ASL). The only problem I have with hearing teachers is that, in my experience, when things get complicated or in a hurry, they drop the ASL and voice. Not a great idea.

05-09-2008, 08:03 PM	#48 (permalink)
CrzyMeg failed whn you stop tryin Join Date: May 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 2,013	My opinion is different. I don't mean to offend you but i had a ASL Teacher at my School at this moment, She is very awkward. She doesn't show the right sign. I have to later after class, and show my friends in that class right sign language. Have enough credits and be around a lot of deaf people. That would give a lot of credits than my teacher had.

05-10-2008, 01:13 AM	#49 (permalink)
Lavender Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 314	Ha ha ha.. I'd the same plm with d teachers always given me bad grade at res-cool. __________________

05-10-2008, 11:18 AM	#50 (permalink)
CrzyMeg failed whn you stop tryin Join Date: May 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 2,013	Very funny. I have to teach volunteerly

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