Tousi

LOML said it, not you. She made a statement.

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loml

jillio - By your definition then so is kissing and whistling.

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shel90

I am sorry, Jillo but that was a good one. LOL!

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jillio

Of course they are. But they are also non-verbal methods of communication, which CS is not. Without verbally based communication, CS has nothing to represent. So what exactly, is your point?

jillio

Agreed. That was pretty witty.

shel90

Loml, u are obviously a bright deaf person but maybe with a toooo strong of a one-track mind? I have an one-track mind but u beat me hands down!

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Angel

Wow very good postie sis, I absolutely agreed!!!

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Angel

so did I. heh.

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Tousi

After all these months? Lol, Loml is hearing and a female!

jillio

OOPS! Then why all this talk about "finding CS"? Although, I suppose we should have all realized it, given the posts. So, when loml discounts the experiences of the deaf on this forum that have used CS, we now know that it is just one more case of a hearie who refuses to listen.

I have to admit, I though loml was HOH. This puts things in a whole different perspective. Makes a lot of sense.

loml

Thank you, 2c! Cheers!

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loml

jillio - I do not discount the experiences on this forum who have used CS. I simply ask for details of their experiences. There is much that you do not realize given my posts, but that does not surprise me.

I do find your comments typical for a hearing parent of a deaf child who has chosen the path that you have.

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loml

Actually jillio, Cued speech need not be verbal, as in voiced: doesn't really support you analogy.

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loml

2c - With the assumptions that have been made regarding my "hearing status", although truly judgemental, I do find the approach of some individuals very disconcerting, but at the same time so typical.

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Kaitin

Isn't the family learning ASL a great gift TO a deaf child FROM a hearing family? If they start when the kid is a baby and keep learning, the parents could have good ASL skills when the kid is a few years old and then the kid and parents maybe are fluent. What a great gift! Since the hearing world doesn't give deaf kids a lot of gifts about language and communication and the deaf kid struggles with communication the whole life, parents learning ASL seems great - they will know the language of Deaf culture and learning the struggle to communicate.

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jillio

Would you care to expand on that? Exactly what path are you referring to?

And, yes, loml, you do discount the experiences of the deaf on thisboard who have been exposed to CS. Anytime one mentions ineffectiveness of the system from their experience, your reply implies that it had to be the way it was taught, the way it was used, the individual's inability or unwillingness to use the system, anything butthe fact that after 40 years there is stillno empirical evidence, and very very little anecdotal evidence, that CS is effective.

The fact that you are female doesn't impact perceptions in any way. The fact that you are hearing does. CS is system that has always been assumed to be more effective by the hearing proponents than by the deaf users. Your continual portrayal as CS as a panacea is infinitely more understandable given the fact that you are hearing. No more accurate, but indeed, more understandable.

jillio

jillio

Once again, loml, without oral language, CS has nothing to represent. It is a representation of a verbally based language. Verbal does not imply voiced. Verbal language is identical to oral language. Verbal=oral. Are you being purposely obtuse, or do you really not understand the language you are using? No matter which way you try to paint it, loml, you cannot get around the fact that CS is a method to convey that which is oral/verbal/auditory. As I stated before, you do not cue sign now, do you? Perhaps you wiould do well to go back and re-read the intent of Dr. Cornett in developing the system.

jillio

I don't know that I would be thanking Tousi for that one. I suspect that you have failed to realize the implications of the revelation.

jillio

People who use “cued speech” speak English and read lips, but they augment that by using hand signals to differentiate some sounds, such as those of the letters B and P, that are hard for lip readers to distinguish.

Here you go loml. From one of your very own posts. Now would you please explain how it is not an orally (verbally) based method?

deafskeptic

LOL, he's the only person who can beat my mother as being a one track mind person.

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jillio

Assumptions regarding your hearing status are not judgemental in the least. Assumptions are in no way inherently judgemental.

What one can find so typical is that a hearing individual once again has been discovered to advocate for an oral method of language for the deaf, despite what the deaf themselves had said regarding the limitations of that method, and what empirical evidence has supported.

flip

From agbell.org

"The auditory/oral, Auditory-Verbal and cued speech methods all make up a larger spoken language approach to communicating. For information about educational programming for children pursuing forms of manual communication, (i.e., Bilingual-Bicultural or Total Communication), contact the National Association of the Deaf or the American Society for Deaf Children."

I am sure visual phonics can have it's place in a bi-bi program, but the way cued speech is explained by NCSA and AG Bell, it's definitely an oral tool.

shel90

Was just joking around trying to make light of the situation. If u didnt like it, all u had was to tell us and we would have stopped. Sometimes, we have to laugh at ourselves when things become too serious. Life is too short so have some fun. Your choice but if u dont like it, I will respectfully stop with your hearing status.

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loml

shel90- That is not what I am referring to.

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