jillio

And the concept of layered curriculum is more readily addressed through a Bi-Bi approach than any other approach in deaf ed. Why? Because while students indeed to possess differrent learning preferences, the information must be able to get in before it cqn be processed and used.

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flip

Jillio already did a good response, but want to add that bi-bi and TC programs as a last resort for deaf students, not oral programs, clearly shows problems with facilicating student centered learning in oral deaf education.

Oral deaf education, bi-bi or TC are not specific teaching styles but modes of communication.

flip

Now I got it! Loml is a clever ASL activist. Wow, no one has been so succesfull with turning people away from an oral deaf education tool as loml on AD.

loml

flip - Your statements paint a clear picture of your naivity regarding the integration of Cued Speech within deaf education.

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rockdrummer

With all due respect flip, I'm not sure I understand or agree with those statements. It looks like you are saying that there are problems with facilitating student centered learning in bi-bi and TC programs? Please correct me if I have mis-understood that. Also I think that each of those approaches can be considered teaching styles. At least with my limited knowledge I would consider them as such.

Education consists of much more than language. Requiring language in order to learn is a given. The purpose is to point out the fact that one size doesn't fit all in educational approaches which has been re-enforced by the information I have provided amongst other things. That is not to say that within a given program kids will or wont do well. There are successes and failures in all programs. Even kids within a specific program will advance at different rates. This happens to hearing kids too. The importance of language aquisition can't be understated but there is much beyond aquiring language that should be considered.

Personally, I like the idea of brain based learning. I also like the idea of fitting the teaching methods to the childs learning style. I subscribe to the theories that suggest to use different approaches in order to stimulate the mind. One might even argue that could apply to learning language as well. To me fitting the teaching methods to the childs learning style would be a true IEP.

shel90

Rockdrummer, while I was reading all these different methodologies of teaching before reaching the part about the layered curriculm, I was thinking that I do a little bit of all in my classroom. When I read about the layered curriculm, I can say that I use the layered curriculm or methodology with my class. It sounds like I am using beginning "B" layer.

Thanks for sharing this. I learned something new today.

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shel90

I also like the idea of brain-based learning too. I will look more into it at my work.

I have always been a firm believer of meeting each child's learning style so reading all that made me realize that I am already doing that! LOL! I could improve, of course.

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rockdrummer

Thanks loml. I know for a fact that CS has it's place and has helped where other stratigies have failed. That's not to say that it's for everyone just as I don't believe any one program is for everyone. That's the point to this thread. One size doesn't fit all. I like the concept of programs that offer options and taylor the stratagy to the students learning profile.

Angel

I agreed, same here.

rockdrummer

Thanks Shel and I too have learned much from it. I’m sorry but I meant to say Brain based teaching in my previous post and not brain based learning. Of course learning is brain based. *whacking myself

Actually in the layered curriculum approach, the “B” layer is the second layer. Not the beginning layer. The layers are in reverse order where layer “C” is first, then “B” and lastly “A”. I find it funny that the experts have the A, B C’s backwards.

Also as I understand it, Student-Centered instruction, Differentiated Instruction, and Layered Curriculum are all brain based teaching strategies.

To me the conclusion is compelling. They say it allows teachers to give every child a special education but I believe it allows them to give every child an individualized special education. What I would consider a true IEP.

jillio

Uhhhh....did you mean naivte or nativity?

jillio

Agree with you, RD, and flip. Brain based learning is a valuable strategy. Only by knowing how the brain perceives,l processes, and comprehends to meaning the information provided can we address the specific needs of the students.

There is always room for improvement. But from what I know of your program and teaching style, I would venture to say that you are far ahead of most.

rockdrummer

Come on.. you know what she meant.

Cheri

I respectfully disagree because some bi bi program(s) use voice and mouth moments in their teaching style program. I find that more benefits for the deaf children than without the use of voice and mouth moments. so that any deaf children can use both and could able to switch between the two, because of that every deaf child has different needs. of course that's in my opinion.

I'm sure Shel90 is good at what she does as a teacher, I'm not speaking of her personally. I'm only stating the teaching style to accommodate the needs of deaf students.

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jillio

I was speaking of Shel personally. I was commenting on her personal teaching style, and the methodology she uses. And shel does use mouth movements, and voice is used with English. So the student does have the opportunity to switch between the two and practice all skills.

jillio

Can't be sure without clarification. I thought loml actually meant "War and Peace" when he said "War of the Worlds", but it turns out he actually meant "Animal Farm".

Cheri

She does? from what I've been reading I was told it was impossible. You guys confused me, I need something strong to drink.

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jillio

No, it is not impossible to use mouth and lip movements with ASL. That is where everyone got confused, me included.

rockdrummer

Put each of your choices in the context of the scentence and it should become evident which was intended.

jillio

Not always. We have been cautioned to ask for clarification.

deafskeptic

ROFL! QFT!

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flip

Sorry for beeing unclear! I was saying that bi-bi is the ultimate place for student centred learning, or teacher centred, for deaf students. When students fails in other programs, it's a sign that those programs aren't able to facilicate students with proper teaching style. Students are seldom sent away from bi-bi, but often gets students from mainstream and oral programs. The philiosophy behind bi-bi and student centred learning are striking similar. But I strongly disagree that bi-bi or oral deaf educations are specific teaching styles. Bi-bi can facilicate different teaching styles, as oral education can do. Speech, ASL, listening, lipreading and so on can influence teaching styles, but speech vs. sign language and teaching styles are two very different things to me.

If one program can't provide different teaching styles, it's very rigid, limiting and showing signs of outdated pedagogy. Teaching styles can be limited due to lack of communication and language input and output, and here language comes into the picture.

Hope this was more clear.

shel90

Thanks and you got it on all counts. One of my students learned ASL just 2 years ago and sometimes he is lost so I switch to spoken language to ensure that he understands. But I NEVER use both at the same time..voicing and ASL. If I am gonna voice, I will drop the signs and if I am gonna sign, I will drop voicing.

So that student gets a pure model of English when I switch to spoken English to fill in the gaps for him since he is still learning ASL. It helps him.

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Angel