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True Jillio that technolgical has been change over the years.
But you got to understand that its not the methodologies that shows no improvement for the deaf world wide. You and She'l kept saying Bi Bi works better for deaf people which is not true, it might work for some and it also might not work for others. Every hearing loss is different and every child learns differently. There is no single approah for all just like rockdrummer stated and he's right. For hearing aids, it may works for some and it also may won't work for others it is the same goes for cochlear implants. It does not mean the device itself fails deaf children or deaf adults world wide. It all depends on the individual. (The person's hearing loss, the person's progress) Its important to give those deaf children a fair chance to try each programs to see how the child will progress even if it is Oral, TC, Bi Bi or Cued Speech. If you expected them all to be in a bi bi program then every deaf child should get a cochlear implant because its better than hearing aids, You see what I'm trying to say here?
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It's difficult to get some real results out of many types of educational programs for the deaf and hard of hearing. One of the reasons is the lack of language development during the first five years of a child's life. It is absolutely crucial that language development is made a top priority, if not then you are likely to be in for a very rough ride. Educators and the educational programs will not work if the parents don't work with their children in acquiring a language or more.
It's a continuing trend and not much is being done about it. It's the same old story all of the times. |
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LOL, I know. Can u imagine while teaching, I use two language at the same time. I wouldnt be able to teach effectively cuz my mind would be just confused trying to make sense of fitting two languages together.
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In AZ, there is a charter school called Sequois that is a BiBi program using ASL and English. Both deaf and hearing children are accepted there and it is having a lot of success. In my 5 years of teaching, I have never seen a child pulled out of our program to another program. It is usually the other way around. It would be like saying spoken English doesnt work for some hearing kids in the public schools.
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At the rate we are going, probably all deaf kids will end up implanted in the future.
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The fact that many so called Bi-Bi programs are not really Bi-Bi. I have heard from deaf adults on this board that have said the Bi-Bi program they went through was a joke. And I am reasonably sure those inconsistancies apply within TC and other programs as well. So assuming all of the programs are in fact what they say they are, there is still division amongst those that cliam to be experts. How does one reconcile that. For me it suggests that one size doesn't fit all. It tells me there is no silver bullet. My own research and personal experience indicate success and failures out of all camps. To me, that clearly indicates differences in learning styles and learning needs. It also suggests that some programs within a given model are better than others. I'm quite sure there are great Bi-Bi programs out there and that those programs are in fact Bi-Bi as defined. I'm also quite sure there are many that fall woefully short at the expense the childs education. And that applies to all programs. Not just Bi-Bi. Much of that also has to do with politics within the educational system and some has to do with the individual teachers themselves. Assuming each program is well defined and equally implemented, I'm sure you will still see varying results out of each program. Each parent has to make many choices regarding their deaf child and they make those choices based on many variables. While it would be nice to limit those variables, the reality is when it comes to education, at this particular point in time, it can't be done. |
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I see my students having equal and full access to language and able to participate in discussions, socialize with each other like hearing kids do with each other, have deaf role models, and exposure to both worlds. I dont see anything sad about it. Due to my 10 plus years of experiences, I see that the BiBi approach as the most promising due to the fact that all children will have equal access to language in the classrooms. I am speaking of in the education setting. At the home enviornment, I have no control over that and I dont know what goes on at the home for each child at all times. I do have some background knowledge of their home lives but that is only based on what was given to me. Maybe I see the BiBi approach as the most promising cuz of my priorities in the education of deaf children. If for others if their priority is speech, then oral-only programs and TC programs would be better for them. Yes, there are pros and cons to all programs but in my opinion, the BiBi approach has more pros than cons. If u and others dont believe in BiBi programs, I am not gonna stop u. I am just sharing why I believe and it is the most promising, the most fair for ALL students despite the degree of their hearing loss which is why I chose it. I was raised in the mainstreamed and oral-only approach. While I did get a good education out of it, I felt it was too restrictive for me and I definitely did not have equal access to the curriculm, discussions, and lectures in the classroom as my hearing peers did. I really think that was not fair for me to be put in that position of constantly working just to keep up in the classroom when I could be really enjoying learning. The was one of the biggest factor to why I chose the BiBi approach cuz no child is being put in that position. They always know what is being said in the classroom equally.
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I dont recall seeing any children becoming language deprived from the BiBi programs. That is based on my experience. All of my students this year have shown progress with English literacy skills..some develop faster and some develop slower depending on their learning styles. So, I am seeing that as a success and I am confident it will continue as long as each of us teachers meet their learning styles/meeds.
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BiBi programs not working for some children?
Hey Jillo...I was thinking of the title of this thread on how one size does not fit all.
We know that the oral-only, TC, and CS doesnt fit all. These approaches work for some while they dont work for others. Many people keep saying that the parents have to be diligent about watching signs for a particular programs success or failure for the child. Ok, that is a great idea but unfortunately it is not a reality for all parents because many parents dont understand the educational system itself let alone deafness. What about the BiBi approach? Has there ever been cases where a child became language deprived and delayed from the BiBi approach? AS far as my experiences with the BiBi approach, that didnt happen. What about in your experience? If it shouldnt work for a child, why would that be since language is already fully accessible to the child, speech programs are available, direct communication with peers and teachers, and a curriculm modified to meet their visual needs? Since some of you are saying that the BiBi approach is not for everyone...can u care to elaborate on how is that? I am just pondering of what would cause the BiBi approach be a failure for children. I am just having a hard time seeing it because all the resources are available.
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Variations in a program can be said for any program. The reason that there are so many variables is because we are not setting policy based ont he majority and making accommodations for the outliers. We are setting policy based on the outliers, and then trying to make accommodations for the majority. We need to have a methodology in place that addresses all the needs of the majority, and then make variations and accommodations for the outlierrs based on a solid foundation of methodology and theory. We are not doing that, and that is why there are so many variations and problems. As well, we have educational policy being set by administrators who have no education or experience with deaf education, and as a result, don't understand the methodologies they claim to be implementing. |
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