shel90

What do u mean by being restrictive with the deaf students?

Arizona Schools for the Deaf and Blind have collaborations with the public schools throughout AZ.

MSD does have a collaboration with the counties but only for early childhood education. MSD administrators had to fight for that with the state to get funding for the collaboration. I just wish the state was more flexible with the funding but the taxpayers have to vote for the addmendments and usually they denied cuz people dont want to pay more taxes. It is a tough situation, really.

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BearBeauty

what i mean by restrictive is... OK.. let me paint a picture of the high school first...

It's in the middle of Downtown... there are stores, resturants, ect ect around the school... and during Lunch Breaks, students are allowed to leave the building to get lunch and whatever... However.. the deaf school that puts students in the public school.. has a strict policy that deaf students are NOT allowed to leave the building even for lunch. which is restrictive toward deaf students when hearing students have MORE freedom.

ALL deaf students must return to the deaf school at 2:30pm daily.. Which basically translates into.. they don't have time to have fun with other students... so basically deaf students are still restricted even if their parents give them permission to be unrestricted.

When I was a student at the school.. I had freedom to leave the school grounds for lunch or whatever.. whereas current deaf students are restricted?

shel90

Wow..that is stupid of the deaf school to do that but I wonder if the school is afraid of being held liable if something happens to the students while out on lunch break. The public schools system has more money than the deaf schools which are state funded. Maybe that cud be the reason..cant afford a lawsuit so therefore putting the restrictions? Still, it is wrong, though. UM...wonder if something can be addressed to change that policy?

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Tousi

Oh my gosh! Did they provide staff with cattle prods, too!

Yiffzer

Well, you have said that mainstreamed schools are more mature. Then you have said that deaf schools are more mature too. Which is more mature?

Yiffzer

You're going to have to show me what you mean by "not acknowledging your and your fellow forum users' weaknesses".

shel90

I think in both there will always be mature people and immature people. What about those kids in public schools bringing guns and bombs? That mature behavior? Same for deaf schools with some immature deaf kids bringing knives to school. No difference.

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Yiffzer

Exactly.

Jordan, read this post.

BearBeauty

Liability is not an issue at the public school becuase they have people at stopwalks checking students to make sure they arrive safe when crossing the street.. And most of the stores are within a 5 min walk of the school.. so the whole thing is ridiculous. I think it's more the deaf school wants to control the students.. and no, the staff don't have cattle prods.. that i've seen.

I don't know why they have these rules.. but IF you ask me.. it does sound rather stupid.

shel90

Control the students...eeeh...that would seem extreme if that's the school's sole reason but never know.

Can u PM me the name of the deaf school and I can ask around to see if I can find out why they have that policy?

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BearBeauty

sent you a PM shel

BearBeauty

Just want to let y'all know that the info i got on the current situation is all second hand info.. and I can't find out if it is true or not.. because I don't know the website for the school, and there is another reason but it's a REAL long story.

Blade Runner

Like how you always don't think about how it's your schools' fault for not properly teaching you.

Just like you thought in your essay that any sentence beginning with "Meaning" was acceptable by a lot of professors.

Blade Runner

Mainstreamed schools is more mature. That's what I meant.

shel90

Ok ..can u be more specific?

When I was watching the show "Through Deaf Eyes" , I was impressed by the maturity of that high school senior from MSD.

Also, I was labeled as socially immature up to high school and I was mainstreamed all of my life. Looking back, I know why..I was left out all the time and couldnt catch everything being said among my hearing peers so as a result, I was socially immature. I gotta admit, my teachers were right. Man..I didnt know shit and I lived thru books. Pretty pathetic, huh?

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Blade Runner

And have I said that all hearing people are perfect?

Jeff, you should not try to over read into other people's posts.

Blade Runner

Great, MSD appeals to you. I'm happy for you. But the topic is about deaf schools are like in general.

BearBeauty

actually, the topic is Deaf schools vs mainstream schools,

shel90

This question doesnt make sense. I asked if u can be more specific and I was referring to that student on the show. MSD has nothing to do with it. If u think kids from deaf schools are immature, that is your opinion...I just disagree cuz I think there are mature and immature people in both deaf and public schools. It depends on the individual and how they were raised.

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Blade Runner

And you don't make sense saying MSD is a better school than other schools. I have yet to see you do a fair comparison between MSD and a deaf school of your choice.

Blade Runner

I know. I wanted Shel90 to point out how MSD can be better than other schools either deaf or mainstreamed.

shel90

Where did I say that MSD was better than other schools? In one thread I said yes, deaf schools have flaws just as public schools do.

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Blade Runner

Then you just contradicted yourself.

I'm curious, why did you choose MSD as your example? Why not Texas School for the Deaf? Why not NY School for the Deaf?

shel90

Wow..u are totally confusing me..how did I contradict myself?If I said those EXACT words "MSD is better than all the schools." then I would be wrong. Now, where did I say that? Pls show me where did I say that? If it was about using MSD as my examples then u are assuming that I was thinking that way in which u are totally wrong.

Thanks for asking finally..maybe if u had asked before jumping on me u would understand where I am coming from.

First of all...about how impressed I was with that student the show "Through Deaf Eyes" interviewed was from MSD. Has nothing to do with MSD itself..it was about that student. If he was from Florida School for the Deaf..I would have said the school's name.

2nd of all..I used MSD as my example is cuz I WORK there! I know about MSD's programs so that is why I used its examples not the others. I dont know about the other schools so how can I use them as examples if I dont know about their programs??? If I say New York for the deaf is this or that and gave the wrong info just simply because I dont know much about that school, that would make me wrong and surely piss people off who attended there or work there. I know there are many great deaf schools out there so I dont know where your idea about me saying MSD is better than other schools is coming from.
That make it clear?

I used Arizona Schools for the Deaf as another example when I mentioned about collaboration so...

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Yiffzer

Can you show me where I have said that?

Can you show me that I thought beginning any sentence with "Meaning" was acceptable?

Blade Runner

I can. I could just watch you converse with person in real life and see how you behave towards other people then when you're done, I could point out so many things that's wrong with how you want people to perceive you as.

You thought it was acceptable just because a NTID professor says so. I can guarantee you that a lot of RIT professors will not agree with your Psychology Professor.

Trust me, your errors are visibly disturbing enough to make me grind my teeth. See how you're denying that your errors is that bad? You just basically implied that I'm right.

Blade Runner

And how does a show prove anything about MSD? Shows are not fairly accurate. If you want the real facts, don't base them on a show. Working at a deaf school does not make it look good. I could say I work at NTID or Galladuet but at the end of the day, I could say, "I hate working there because of (insert any common reason here.)" It's an unwritten fact that most people dislike their jobs they find themselves in.