Foxrac

Do you like this law or not? I hate this law because it can harm children's education, removes special/bilingual education, removes gifted education and causes most school to fail but some system need provides for deaf students with moderate/low with test score, mental problem, blind and disease that cause permanent disabled. I think NCLB need to abandon after 2008 and every school would going back to normal and stop stress with this law.

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DeafSCUBA98

i strongly DISAGREE on what u say.

No Child Left behind act is an act to make sure ALL kids get equal education and make sure they are in right education path.

keep in mind before that law is set.. many schools don't give equal access, equal education to kids.. for example if a kid is from russia.. they don't focus on them they focus on other students.. and other examples many schools aren't interesting to give education to disabled people because they believe they won't learn what they teach them. this is ONE BIG reason why the law is set. u should be glad this law is set to make sure all students get equal brain access. and be smart like other kids can be!

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SJCSue

I believe the American education should give all students equal opportunities. I do not like the fact that schools seem to be focused on ONLY on state tests. For example, I have two young cousins, who live with my aunt (their mother). The older cousin said she does NOT study Social Studies (or history) in school. She does not know what time period when George Washington lived in. She also have a science class once a week in school. Schools are cutting back on extra classes (art, music and foreign language) and RECESS. Many elementary schools DO NOT have recess. Does you want a generation of American students who does not who George Washington is?

MsGiglz

I think its bull crap ... Minnesota have that law..

but.. look at my daughter.. she havent improved since 3 years.. the law passed 2 years ago..

she failed few classes and D's .. they didnt go anywhere to help with that just let her go on next grade not fall back her grade..

I totally disagree that law..

IMHO.... just making schools look good.. pffth.. not

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DeafSCUBA98

and what did you do about it? did u encourage ur daughter to study more? did you SUE the school for not following NCLBA? there's many ways to make a change.

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Foxrac

Yea, I don't like this law too but our school district broke NCLB and they started don't care about our school district, just let to make student's decide to take education like English Learners, Special/Bilingual Education and few other system except for ADA. I was in Bilingual Education until graduation at high school.

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MsGiglz

I complained to school many times.. and asked for help, asked for better education for my daughter.. all that bull crap i went through.. none of it..

but right now, I am meeting home social worker (specialist).. to help my son Mack (Ebd) to improve his needs.. and my daughter Amelia's educations.. so they will help and get things right..

but we are not only ones.. Alot of kids are the same..

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DeafSCUBA98

is that minneapolis schools?

the thing that pissed me off is that poor income area tend to have lousy schools while median and higher income area have better education schools. there's still need to be some more changes that is why i support NCLBA but i know nothing can happen overnight. schools tend to get money through property taxes system meaning higher income areas pay more property taxes and they get more money out of that tax.. whild poor area get fewer money. i don't know about other states.. but that's how minnesota works.

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ayala920

No Child Left Behind was a nice idea upon conception, but the hope of it succeeding has long since faded. One of the major flaws is the standardized testing, which all students are required to take. That means a child at the best school in the country will be taking the same test as a child at the worst school. Furthermore, the schools get ranked based on how well they do on the tests, and those with low scores lose funding. Call me crazy, but it seems that schools that are failing should be getting more funding to help them meet the standards.

My high school was one of the top schools in our state, and they have consistently failed to meet the minimum standards for the last several years. The goals and standards set are impossible to reach, thus making the program a failure.

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"Most English-speaking people...will admit that cellar door is 'beautiful', especially if dissociated from its sense (and from its spelling). More beautiful than, say, sky, and far more beautiful than beautiful. Well then, in Welsh for me cellar doors are extraordinarily frequent, and moving to the higher dimension, the words in which there is pleasure in the contemplation of the association of form and sense are abundant."

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This is NOT a good idea to have any
kind of education that is "only one size
for everyone"

Agree ?

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MsGiglz

I agreed with you.. the governor cut alot of things.. and we spend alot on taxes.. sigh..

yes out of minneaplois.. (bloomington)..

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Foxrac

It's not some part of teacher's fault but some children is doing bad with test, such as lazy and careless.

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Foxrac

Excuse me, I have rights to have opinion but never correct or incorrect.

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ayala920

SOME children are lazy and careless. When the standards were first set and incredibly low the first year, it was typically schools in low socioeconomic areas that were failing. So you're going to tell me that the only reason a poor African-American child from Cabrini Green failed the test was because he was lazy? Could it be, perhaps, that it was because he lived in an area where he didn't have access to good schools, his parents were poor and uneducated, and there wasn't enough government funding to pay for necessary supplies such as textbooks that we written within the last 20 years?

And what about all the top high schools that are failing? Like I said before, my high school is one of the top in our state; they're above the state average for ACT scores, state testing and graduation rates. They were ranked one of the top 25 schools in the entire state (being located in the 2nd largest county in the entire US makes that a pretty big deal). But for 3 years now they have received a failing mark on the No Child Left Behind tests. How does that make any sense?

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"Most English-speaking people...will admit that cellar door is 'beautiful', especially if dissociated from its sense (and from its spelling). More beautiful than, say, sky, and far more beautiful than beautiful. Well then, in Welsh for me cellar doors are extraordinarily frequent, and moving to the higher dimension, the words in which there is pleasure in the contemplation of the association of form and sense are abundant."

Foxrac

I did say that at first place.

Where are you from? I don't know about difference with between high school.

LAUSD isn't bad at overall but some schools are bad, that where I graduated in last month ago and our high school is in inner suburb area, about 18 miles away from Downtown LA but it's still part of LA city limit. There's alot of diverseful with many are english learners, bilingual education and special education but special education need for some students who too behind than average or moderate/low IQ too. We have around 3,500 students that where most classes are more students per one class, more than average of 30 students. I love our school and alot of hilarious with other students but I don't care about test score.

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SxyPorkie

Yes .. You do have a right to voice your opinions.. In my opinions... mainstreaming to the public schools is not very good idea... all deaf children should go to the deaf schools... yes some children are lazy to learn... want to play more than learning...

SxyPorkie

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SJCSue

Some students do badly on standardized tests. Take me for an example: I had around 85 average in high school but the highest combined score I received on the SAT WAS 1000 (the old SATs).

pek1

In other words, "No (rich) Child Left Behind." I vote to repeal this bad law.

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Maria

No Child Left Behind Act = " Dumb Down " Child Left Behind Act

Cousin Vinny

The NCLB act is all about accountability to our children and to ensure competitiveness on the global stage, especially in math and the sciences. Whether the NCLB act misses its mark or has failed our children is a matter of interpretation.

I do have some concerns as far as the DHH population is concerned. I, for one, love the idea of accountability in an era of reduced expectations for DHH students. But, at what price? Let's see;

DHH students, generally speaking, are not able to pass their state-mandated exams and have to rely on the generosity of their schools, or state law loopholes, in order to get their H.S. diplomas. I'm still not sold on this, as I want DHH students to be more proficient in areas of English and Math, but if it results in a mass disenfranchisement of an entire DHH generation, I don't think that's a good thing either.

DHH teachers may not be able to get jobs as Teachers of the Deaf, because the NCLB act requires certification and that means taking up exams. I'm somewhat ambivalent, as I want highly qualified DHH teachers, but hate to see some DHH teachers lose their jobs or not being able to enter the teaching market because of this. It's a moot point for me, as I already passed the Florida exam, and I still haven't been able to crack the Teacher of the Deaf job market.

Lastly, what happens to a Deaf school that has unsatisfactory performance in their statewide testing regimen? I read this blog on DeafDC about Maryland School of the Deaf wanting to have hearing students to boost their statewide testing scores.

Will the state Department of Education take over a failing Deaf school? If that were the case, sadly, nearly all Deaf schools (except MSD & MSSD) would be considered failures and ripe for takeover by people who know nothing about Deaf education. Now, that would be a tragic result of the NCLB act.

josey

with the tests and NO its not good
because the children don't get anything but stressed out knowing if I fail I am in this grade again and granted here they have 3 chances and then ....

but I don't see it cutting out special ed here or other classes by any means .
I see the kids getting no party time ( which I think is a rite of passage ) no recess and no free learning everything is gone and extra like music and art here


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Do you like this law or not? I hate this law because it can harm children's education, removes special/bilingual education, removes gifted education and causes most school to fail but some system need provides for deaf students with moderate/low with test score, mental problem, blind and disease that cause permanent disabled. I think NCLB need to abandon after 2008 and every school would going back to normal and stop stress with this law.

VamPyroX

I don't know what to say about the NCLB Act. I graduated high school in 1994 and I didn't really have problems because I graduated at grade level.

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ayala920

It really isn't about graduating at grade level. My high school is in a predominately white, upper-middle class community, where the large majority of the students graduate at or above grade level, and yet the school is receiving failing scores on the NCLB tests.

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"Most English-speaking people...will admit that cellar door is 'beautiful', especially if dissociated from its sense (and from its spelling). More beautiful than, say, sky, and far more beautiful than beautiful. Well then, in Welsh for me cellar doors are extraordinarily frequent, and moving to the higher dimension, the words in which there is pleasure in the contemplation of the association of form and sense are abundant."

pek1

DeafSCUBA98,

What I intend on doing the next time the school district has a referendum, instead of voting "yes" as I have in the past, I will vote "NO" because if you drive by your local school, take a look at what you don't see: No kids playing on the fields, in the parks, nowhere. Sports need to be cut, as they're not using what they've got. Using them only three weeks out of the year and having them padlocked the rest of the year is senseless and a waste of tax dollars. This is why I will vote no.

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sr171soars

Yeah, I mostly agree with you there. It really puts pressure on the individual schools to justify themselves and it may have nothing to do with the teaching staff! I don't think it really benefits the kids taking the test. They are supposed to already know the stuff on it and their class grades reflect that fact. The "one size fits all" testing also doesn't account for all the factors in student backgrounds.

I'm not sure I can agree with the idea of just throwing money to schools that are failing. Some of these students have problems that go a whole lot deeper than what money alone can handle. Lots of them have a horrendous homelife and just having a very nice school (with a first class teaching staff) to attend isn't going to address this issue. In some instances, it can exacerbate the situation for them exposing the glaring inconsistency between their lives and others.

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sr171soars

Actually, I believe the test doesn't have anything to do with a child passing their grade or not. That is determined by the regular class grades. The tests are for how a school is graded and its funding issues. Maybe, I'm missing something here...

Yeah, we just been there with our third grader (now in forth - our kids are in year around school). I remember a couple of years ago my son was telling me that everybody had to be extra quiet in the halls just for the students taking the tests. It is not only stressful for the one's taking the tests but also for the ones not taking it and knowing what they have to deal with at some point themselves!

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SJCSue

The town, that I live in, have a well-respected school district but was placed on the "Failing Districts" list last year because 10-15 special education students (who attend school outside of district) did not meet the standard for first-and-half year of high school math.

ayala920

I'm not saying that money is the problem, or that giving school's more money will solve anything. However, taking money away from schools that barely have money to begin with is detrimental.

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"Most English-speaking people...will admit that cellar door is 'beautiful', especially if dissociated from its sense (and from its spelling). More beautiful than, say, sky, and far more beautiful than beautiful. Well then, in Welsh for me cellar doors are extraordinarily frequent, and moving to the higher dimension, the words in which there is pleasure in the contemplation of the association of form and sense are abundant."

sr171soars

Said that way, I would have to agree with you. Then, I guess it really becomes interesting to examine whether if "No Child Left Behind" can be salvaged or not?

There are two trends that appear and counter each other. The first trend is to hold schools accountable for ensuring that all children get a good education. Obviously, that is what "No Child Left Behind" attempts to address. As we have seen, it is problematic if it really accomplishes that purpose especially if the failing schools lose funding. In one sense, it does that by forcing a failing school to close. But the problem becomes whether or not the school had an impossible task to begin with if most of the children come from backgrounds that doesn't lend itself to good students. This assumes the premise that generally the best students come from good schools and good family backgrounds (but not always wealthy either).

That brings up the second trend...and that is dealing with the world of the child and its environment (i.e., the homelife). The homelife can have a significant impact on how a student achieves in school. So, if the parent(s) is struggling for a variety of reasons, it is unreasonable to expect lots of parential involvement in the lives of these students.

Nothing is easy about the whole thing...

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