Every American needs to read this about what's up with Education

Heath · 02-22-2006, 05:31 PM

Hi Here is the book as I promised

"Unbelievable book! Straight shooting tells the whole truth and nothing but the truth. This is a `must read' for elected officials, who should give serious consideration to her proposals to turn the situation around. Home schoolers and traditional teachers will not be able to put this book down."

( I read this eye-opening book and I suggest you do the same. It is free to read. It is about the deliberate dumbing down of American education standards to dangerous levels in this country. ) http://deliberatedumbingdown.com/

02-22-2006, 05:35 PM

I just read your two lines. What is it about?

pek1 · 02-22-2006, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Heath

Hi Here is the book as I promised

"Unbelievable book! Straight shooting tells the whole truth and nothing but the truth. This is a `must read' for elected officials, who should give serious consideration to her proposals to turn the situation around. Home schoolers and traditional teachers will not be able to put this book down."

( I read this eye-opening book and I suggest you do the same. It is free to read. It is about the deliberate dumbing down of American education standards to dangerous levels in this country. ) http://deliberatedumbingdown.com/

Heath,

I used to have a book titled "Conspirators Hierarchy: The Committee of 500." This book is an underground book and the writer of it used to be a British MI6. In it, this is talked about and how the educational system (both public and private schools) are dumbing down the kids.

Also, a friend of my brother's made a comment once about the A's and B's that the kids are getting today are equivalent to our C's and D's back then. In other words, the school work today is too easy. Heck, they don't even teach kids penmenship anymore, as all they know how to do is type. What good is that when a signature is needed on legal documents and kids can't write, much less their own names?

Heath · 02-22-2006, 10:15 PM

Yeah that is one of the reasons why I want to improve myself before I go to college. It would be awesome to take some penmanship classes, calligraphy, Old World German handwriting etc. and train myself in a variety of different tasks so that it will be good when I go to college and have a much more solid education than what is currently being taught out there. I am interested in books like that that will bolster and strengthen my education foundation for the future both in college and a real world job.

Reba · 02-22-2006, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pek1

...Also, a friend of my brother's made a comment once about the A's and B's that the kids are getting today are equivalent to our C's and D's back then. In other words, the school work today is too easy. Heck, they don't even teach kids penmenship anymore, as all they know how to do is type. What good is that when a signature is needed on legal documents and kids can't write, much less their own names?

Yep. I see this all the time when I interpret in the public schools and colleges.

Most of the classroom time is spent "teaching to the test." If a student asks the teacher anything that isn't included in the "formula" lesson plan, the teacher can't answer. I'm shocked how little general knowledge teachers have these days. It's a disgrace.

Heath · 02-22-2006, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pek1

Heath,

I used to have a book titled "Conspirators Hierarchy: The Committee of 500." This book is an underground book and the writer of it used to be a British MI6. In it, this is talked about and how the educational system (both public and private schools) are dumbing down the kids.

Also, a friend of my brother's made a comment once about the A's and B's that the kids are getting today are equivalent to our C's and D's back then. In other words, the school work today is too easy. Heck, they don't even teach kids penmenship anymore, as all they know how to do is type. What good is that when a signature is needed on legal documents and kids can't write, much less their own names?

Hi Pete ,

It seems this is what you are talking about?

http://100777.com/node/255

or

http://www.directtextbook.com/prices/0963401904

Heath · 02-22-2006, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reba

Yep. I see this all the time when I interpret in the public schools and colleges.

Most of the classroom time is spent "teaching to the test." If a student asks the teacher anything that isn't included in the "formula" lesson plan, the teacher can't answer. I'm shocked how little general knowledge teachers have these days. It's a disgrace.

Hi Reba,

That is what I am afraid of.....

What good is a teacher if he does not know his stuff beyond the basics.

Both Teachers and students should strive for excellence and seek to constantly improve themselves and help each other in the arena of education.

Endymion · 02-23-2006, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reba

Yep. I see this all the time when I interpret in the public schools and colleges.

Most of the classroom time is spent "teaching to the test." If a student asks the teacher anything that isn't included in the "formula" lesson plan, the teacher can't answer. I'm shocked how little general knowledge teachers have these days. It's a disgrace.

I remember I had a Chemistry professor once who made his tests SO difficult that the average would consistently hover around 50%. He then curved on an absolute scale (12% of students receive an A, 40% receive a B, and so on).

That was one FUN semester. It was one of those points in my education where I was thoroughly challenged.

sr171soars · 02-23-2006, 07:47 AM

I would say the answer is yes and no. Depends on several factors...Where being taught, philosophy of school system, subject matter and so on.

Overall, I would have to agree with the general assessment in this thread so far. But, there are things that encourage me even for all that. For example my daughter who is in Kindergarden, she is reading like a first grader (she is not the only one...there are others in her class doing so). This is very interesting to me as my son (now a 3rd grader) didn't get pushed like my daughter with her reading. He got going with that in 1st grade just like any other average student at the time. We can tell that Kindergarden requires a little more work just when my son went and that is a difference of a couple of years! Some confusing trends here...

We are fortunate to be in a school system that stresses kids to be at a certain level and they strive to get everybody there. Of course, the system knows how to "tweak" the numbers so that they don't get nailed for the poorer performers. This usually means labeling them so they aren't part of the normal student population.

I agree that certain things aren't taught like they should be when I was growing up. Things like penmanship, history (they like to ignore or gloss over lots of American history, focus too much on other histories), math teaching methods keeps changing, quality of teachers can be a real problem and so on it goes.

Colleges and Universities should stick to an absolute grading scale...no curves for "difficulty" of class. You get what you get. How it is fair for a student who is just a "C" student get a "B" or even "A"? That is demoralizing to the "B" or "A" student who works their butt off to get that grade. I know I been there many times. Along with that, the course material should not be dumbed down either just to get more students to pass. Unfortunately, this probably is a fact of life to these institutions just so they can keep students forking over their money till they graduate (such hypocrisy).

Endymion · 02-23-2006, 12:15 PM

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Colleges and Universities should stick to an absolute grading scale...no curves for "difficulty" of class. You get what you get. How it is fair for a student who is just a "C" student get a "B" or even "A"? That is demoralizing to the "B" or "A" student who works their butt off to get that grade. I know I been there many times. Along with that, the course material should not be dumbed down either just to get more students to pass. Unfortunately, this probably is a fact of life to these institutions just so they can keep students forking over their money till they graduate (such hypocrisy).

On the other hand, one problem with grading on an absolute what you see is what you get scale is that you cannot really compare the performance of one student with another.

For example, most university departments delegate the lower-level freshmen courses to their most underqualified instructors (sometimes even graduate students who just started!). I had a class once where the instructor was so bad in grading tests he flunked more than half the class. In the exact same department, there was another instructor who was far more experienced in grading and evaluating student work (these were complex multi-step problems that required a lot of scrutiny to grade), and the class average was around a C.

Fortunately, the department stepped in and said to my instructor, "You cannot flunk more than HALF of our students!"

pek1 · 02-23-2006, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heath

Hi Pete ,

It seems this is what you are talking about?

http://100777.com/node/255

or

http://www.directtextbook.com/prices/0963401904

Both! I also stand corrected as it is the Committee of 300, not 500 as I had said. This is the book.

02-22-2006, 05:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
Heath Banned Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 7,959	Every American needs to read this about what's up with Education Hi Here is the book as I promised "Unbelievable book! Straight shooting tells the whole truth and nothing but the truth. This is a `must read' for elected officials, who should give serious consideration to her proposals to turn the situation around. Home schoolers and traditional teachers will not be able to put this book down." ( I read this eye-opening book and I suggest you do the same. It is free to read. It is about the deliberate dumbing down of American education standards to dangerous levels in this country. ) http://deliberatedumbingdown.com/ Last edited by Heath; 02-22-2006 at 05:52 PM.

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02-22-2006, 05:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mookie Guest Posts: n/a	I just read your two lines. What is it about?

02-22-2006, 10:15 PM	#4 (permalink)
Heath Banned Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 7,959	Yeah that is one of the reasons why I want to improve myself before I go to college. It would be awesome to take some penmanship classes, calligraphy, Old World German handwriting etc. and train myself in a variety of different tasks so that it will be good when I go to college and have a much more solid education than what is currently being taught out there. I am interested in books like that that will bolster and strengthen my education foundation for the future both in college and a real world job.

02-23-2006, 07:47 AM	#9 (permalink)
sr171soars Cyborg since March '05 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 2,376	I would say the answer is yes and no. Depends on several factors...Where being taught, philosophy of school system, subject matter and so on. Overall, I would have to agree with the general assessment in this thread so far. But, there are things that encourage me even for all that. For example my daughter who is in Kindergarden, she is reading like a first grader (she is not the only one...there are others in her class doing so). This is very interesting to me as my son (now a 3rd grader) didn't get pushed like my daughter with her reading. He got going with that in 1st grade just like any other average student at the time. We can tell that Kindergarden requires a little more work just when my son went and that is a difference of a couple of years! Some confusing trends here... We are fortunate to be in a school system that stresses kids to be at a certain level and they strive to get everybody there. Of course, the system knows how to "tweak" the numbers so that they don't get nailed for the poorer performers. This usually means labeling them so they aren't part of the normal student population. I agree that certain things aren't taught like they should be when I was growing up. Things like penmanship, history (they like to ignore or gloss over lots of American history, focus too much on other histories), math teaching methods keeps changing, quality of teachers can be a real problem and so on it goes. Colleges and Universities should stick to an absolute grading scale...no curves for "difficulty" of class. You get what you get. How it is fair for a student who is just a "C" student get a "B" or even "A"? That is demoralizing to the "B" or "A" student who works their butt off to get that grade. I know I been there many times. Along with that, the course material should not be dumbed down either just to get more students to pass. Unfortunately, this probably is a fact of life to these institutions just so they can keep students forking over their money till they graduate (such hypocrisy).