Liza's post from another thread had got me thinking

[wildzerica06]

I don't know lol otherwise stephy good thread so keep up bein a POSTWHORE

[javapride]

Originally posted by funnybebe78
I don't know lol otherwise stephy good thread so keep up bein a POSTWHORE

LMAO NICE wording for postwhore LMAO! LMAO!

[wildzerica06]

Originally posted by javapride
LMAO NICE wording for postwhore LMAO! LMAO!

Originally posted by Liza
I would be glad to, Java! Hey what island are you living on now? PM coming your way...

*ahem* I believe somebody mentioned something about a book. LOL Sorry for getting off topic here.

I once read an article about the "floating standard" which plays a huge role in the dumbing down process of students. Teachers just don't wanna deal with any problem student, and just pass 'em... barely... hoping the next teacher will know how to take care of it, but it goes on and on.....

That is exactly what teachers and administrators do. They do not want to make their school look "bad" with a high failing rate, so they prefer to just loosen things and pass students.

[Fly Free]

Originally posted by funnybebe78
I don't know lol otherwise stephy good thread so keep up bein a POSTWHORE

@ Purrs

[javapride]

Can u teach me how to be a postwhore?? LMAO!

[VamPyroX]

The program might be okay for hearing people but I don't think it is for deaf people. They rely on visible and hand cues unlike hearing people who rely on sound cues alone. I think that anyone can improve without the program. It's just a matter of how they teach it. It should be blamed on the teachers...

[javapride]

that s a very intresting theroy u brought up, didn't think of it this way!

[Oddball]

Originally posted by Fly Free
same here ChelEler -- i know Deaf children are taught reading with READING/SPELLING as an emphasis so theyre more understanding of the English language and syntax/structures as well as for spelling -- ive seen the hearing kids being immersed in the phonics program and see it fail miserably and i just simply dont understand WHY the county wont drop the program and put more emphasis on reading and spelling practices

kuifje75 has also brought up the speech classes for the deaf children which IMO has varied results so i the true statistics to the success rate of deaf kids with TRUE good speech skills -- ive heard of how some ppl just flatly REFUSES to talk again all cuz of their speech teachers always telling them how well they say words and all that then they go in the general public and when trying to communicate with other hearies they just simply DONT understand what theyre trying to say so they tell me the best way is just have pen and paper ready on hand or use gestures -- ahh this would become 2 different issues on this thread LOL

Werd. I gave up communicating with hearing people because I knew it does not always work well for me to communicate with hearing people orally. It is difficult for the Deaf children to practice their speech and it is a waste of their times and efforts. I consider that exposuring Deaf kids into educational aspects, especially, ENGLISH grammar, structures, syntax, and the like everyday until they become fluent in writing in "hearing" English. Of course, remember this, depends on individual's own English style. I don't care if I talk lousy. English is more important than speech practice!! KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!!

[deafdyke]

Hooked ahn foniks wurked four me!!!!! Sorry someone had to say it

[CatoCooper13]

I never used phonics to improve my english and literacy level. I was encouraged to read and had a passion for english.
I reckon it really does depend and varies from person to person, actually. It won't work for everyone.

[Liza]

Originally Posted by ~Heather~

Who hell cares? You know what, my English teacher (at college) told me that lot of deaf people have trouble with A and THE and explained to me why. Its because DEAF people dont hear sentences EVERYDAY from thier EAR like hearing people do. Also told me that EVERYONE always have ERROR grammar -- NO ONE IS PERFECT.

Anyway, I dont know about PHONICS PROGRAM. I agree with Fly Free & Javapride.

Or maybe everyone is perfect! (Alexander Pope)

Your English teacher hasn't met me yet she/he made a judgment with which he/she assumed would apply to every deaf person.

I've been an English tutor for about a couple years at gally. I didn't get good English comphrension from just hearing sentences everyday with my own ears. I exposed myself to a lot of books. Read, read, read, and use a dictionary! Take responsibility for yourselves, and don't rely so much on others with good English comphrension to edit your paper or anything else you've written.. that will only make your self esteem plummet in my opinion. Find a solution that works for you and still be able to keep your dignity. Most of all, it doesnt hurt to ask others if your grammar is good or bad. Don't pretend your English is just fine, if you wish to have really good English grammar.

In short, it helps to read literature - perhaps an anthology (collection of short stories, passages, or works of art or music) would be good to start with working on your analyzing skills. YES, you get to think about what you read. I recommend the Great American Bathroom Book series. It will definitely help you catch up with the great works, and concepts/ideas that define our society today.

[Mizzou]

I took the phonics lesson and it did helps me. I not know about you and others think of this subject. I do understand that it not help you some but good experience for deafies to learn phonics. If I still with phonics then I will be complete do well but I had to lost the "learning center" for long time ago. I been learning from another to another like use the words and use the sentances in the paragraph, etc. That is my opinion.

[linneaelliott]

I know this is an old post, but I wanted to add to it.
I didn't use phonics when I learned to read. I learned by memorizing how to spell the words. I've always been really good at spelling. My sister (who is hearing), is a really bad speller lol. She did use phonics.
Anyways, some of you may know I am in college majoring in Special Education. My teacher recently told me about this book, it's called "The Bad Speller's Dictionary." My teacher says it is listed by the way it sounds, not by the way it is actually spelled. In one column it shows how it is spelled in phonics and in another column, it shows how it is really spelled. For example, the word "phone" sounds like fone, so that word would be under "f" section.
Here's a website for this book. http://hallwriting.com/words_language/434.shtml