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Unread 03-14-2012, 10:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Native American tribe gets permit to kill bald eagles

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Wyoming Native American tribe gets rare permit to kill bald eagles

Published March 14, 2012 | Associated Press

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has taken the unusual step of issuing a permit allowing an American Indian tribe in Wyoming to kill two bald eagles for religious purposes.

The agency's decision comes after the Northern Arapaho Tribe filed a federal lawsuit last year contending the refusal to issue such permits violates tribal members' religious freedom. Although thousands of American Indians apply for eagle feathers and carcasses from a federal repository, permits allowing the killing of bald eagles are exceedingly rare, according to both tribal and legal experts on the matter.

"I've not heard of a take permit for a bald eagle," Steve Moore, lawyer with the Native American Rights Fund, or NARF, in Boulder, Colo., said Tuesday. "I see it and NARF would see it as a legitimate expression of sovereignty by the tribe, and respect for that sovereignty by the Fish and Wildlife Service."

Federal law prohibits the killing of bald eagles in almost all cases. The government keeps eagle feathers and body parts in a federal repository and tribal members can apply for them for use in religious ceremonies.

The bald eagle was removed from the federal list of threatened species in 2007, following its reclassification in 1995 from endangered to threatened. However, the species has remained protected under the federal Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act.

The Fish and Wildlife Service in 2009 stated in a report that it had never issued a permit for the killing of bald eagles to that time. The report states the government hadbe and the Wyoming state government. He said Tuesday the tribe in recent years has been increasingly exercising its sovereignty.

"I think that's the issue with the eagle case," Collins said.

The tribe's lawsuit, filed late last year, is essentially the continuation of a bitter legal fight that followed after Winslow Friday, a tribal member, killed a bald eagle without a permit in 2005 for use in his tribe's annual Sun Dance. Friday shot the eagle on the Wind River Indian Reservation.

William Downes, then a federal judge in Wyoming, dismissed the charge against Friday in 2006 saying it would have been pointless for him to apply for a permit. Downes said the federal government generally refuses to grant permits to tribal members to kill eagles even though federal regulations say such permits should be available.

"Although the government professes respect and accommodation of the religious practices of Native Americans, its own actions show callous indifference to such practices," Downes wrote.

Federal prosecutors appealed Downes' decision and a federal appeals court reinstated the criminal charge against Friday. After the U.S. Supreme Court ultimately refused to hear his case, Friday pleaded guilty in tribal court and was ordered to pay a fine.

Baldwin said the tribe's lawsuit against the Fish and Wildlife Service was directly related to the government's prosecution of Friday.

"One of the goals of the current suit is to prevent any young men like Winslow Friday from being prosecuted in the future for practicing their traditional religious ceremonies," Baldwin said.

Senior members of the Northern Arapaho Tribe appeared at an appeals court hearing court in Denver in late 2007 in support of Friday. Nelson P. White Sr., then a member of the Northern Arapaho Business Council, said after the hearing that the birds American Indians receive from a federal depository were rotten, or otherwise unfit for use in religious ceremonies.

"That's unacceptable," White said after the court hearing. "How would a non-Indian feel if they had to get their Bible from a repository?"
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Unread 03-14-2012, 10:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Interesting, it sounds so sad to me because I love bald eagle.
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Why sad? Bald Eagles isn't USA's symbol, it's Golden Eagle.
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Why sad? Bald Eagles isn't USA's symbol, it's Golden Eagle.
The bald eagle is the American symbol.

The Bald Eagle - USA's National Emblem
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Yeah, killing an American bald eagle is almost like burniing the U.S. Flag....symbolically, that is.

Majestic creature it is.
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The bald eagle is the American symbol.

The Bald Eagle - USA's National Emblem
Wish it's Turkey instead Bald Eagle
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The bald eagle maybe a American symbol, but the aboriginal people have the right to their religious ceremonies.
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The bald eagle maybe a American symbol, but the aboriginal people have the right to their religious ceremonies.
In keeping with their traditions, the tribe should only be allowed to kill by bow and arrow.
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firearms took the place of bow and arrows. firearms were introduce by the same people that screwed the aboriginal people of their land and even tried to commit geocide against them. but that is all ok because now they can have casinos...
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And that casinos will corrupt them as well. Never heard that casinos will ultimately prevail and help everybody. There's always the darker side that sneaks up on them thinking it's the holy grail answer to everything in getting more revenues.
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The bald eagle isn't endangered anymore. They are re-established and quite common in thier native habitats.

The original aboriginal people often tried to commit genocide against each other, too. The Spaniards were only able to conquer the Aztecs because every other tribe around had been so abused by Aztec rule, and hated the Aztecs so much they wanted to help the Spaniards conquer them.
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The bald eagle isn't endangered anymore. They are re-established and quite common in thier native habitats.

The original aboriginal people often tried to commit genocide against each other, too. The Spaniards were only able to conquer the Aztecs because every other tribe around had been so abused by Aztec rule, and hated the Aztecs so much they wanted to help the Spaniards conquer them.
the aztec region is much further south. did they try to commit genocide against the hopi, navajo or apache?

edit: I often wonder why when people try to discuss the aborigional people in the americas. people seem to only talk about human sacrafices by aztecs and mayans. no one says a thing about the hundreds of peaceful nations...
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the aztec region is much further south. did they try to commit genocide against the hopi, navajo or apache?

edit: I often wonder why when people try to discuss the aborigional people in the americas. people seem to only talk about human sacrafices by aztecs and mayans. no one says a thing about the hundreds of peaceful nations...
I know where the Aztecs lived. There were many peaceful nations (my husband is part Chocktaw and Cherokee, btw).
But the Aztecs were not the only ones to try to wipe out or enslave neighboring tribes. And I didn't talk about human sacrifices. I talked about genocide.

As my daughter's history professor at University used to say, give the people of the past the courtesy of recognizing they lived complex lives.

It wasn't as simplistic as all natives good, Europeans bad.
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Does the Arapaho religion specifically require the killing of eagles? For what reason?
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Benjamin Franklin thought Turkey should be USA's symbol. It's more brave than this eagle which is dirty and thief. What? He said so.
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Benjamin Franklin thought Turkey should be USA's symbol. It's more brave than this eagle which is dirty and thief. What? He said so.
I love to watch wild turkeys. They are so much better looking than the white Butterball domestic turkeys. They are a good looking bird.

However, I think a soaring eagle conjures up a better national symbol than a fluttering turkey.

At least the wild turkey didn't get ignored. He ended up as a symbol on the bourbon bottle.
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I agree about the domestic turkeys. They are really dumb. They will go for a drink of water and forget the mission on the way down and drown! Sheesh, dumb clucks.....
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I know where the Aztecs lived. There were many peaceful nations (my husband is part Chocktaw and Cherokee, btw).
But the Aztecs were not the only ones to try to wipe out or enslave neighboring tribes. And I didn't talk about human sacrifices. I talked about genocide.

As my daughter's history professor at University used to say, give the people of the past the courtesy of recognizing they lived complex lives.

It wasn't as simplistic as all natives good, Europeans bad.
sorry Grayma, apparentley I stayed up past my medication induced bedtime. That edited part of my post was supposed to be not directed toward you at all, but a post to the general readers in regards to conversations I've had about native americans. like did you ever notice how many people are descendants of a cherokee prince or princess. yet the cherokees do not have prince and princess at all. yet others ramble on about native americans being blood thristy savage hethens. use the aztecs, mayans or the karankawas as they only examples

as for you husbands heritage, have you ever had the chance to visit Oklahoma to see the Cherokee Heritage Center?
it is a really great place to visit
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I love to watch wild turkeys. They are so much better looking than the white Butterball domestic turkeys. They are a good looking bird.

However, I think a soaring eagle conjures up a better national symbol than a fluttering turkey.

At least the wild turkey didn't get ignored. He ended up as a symbol on the bourbon bottle.
Ben Franklin wanted the wild turkey and not the bald eagle
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"For my own part I wish the Bald Eagle had not been chosen the Representative of our Country. He is a Bird of bad moral Character. He does not get his Living honestly. You may have seen him perched on some dead Tree near the River, where, too lazy to fish for himself, he watches the Labour of the Fishing Hawk; and when that diligent Bird has at length taken a Fish, and is bearing it to his Nest for the Support of his Mate and young Ones, the Bald Eagle pursues him and takes it from him.

"With all this Injustice, he is never in good Case but like those among Men who live by Sharping & Robbing he is generally poor and often very lousy. Besides he is a rank Coward: The little King Bird not bigger than a Sparrow attacks him boldly and drives him out of the District. He is therefore by no means a proper Emblem for the brave and honest Cincinnati of America who have driven all the King birds from our Country...

"I am on this account not displeased that the Figure is not known as a Bald Eagle, but looks more like a Turkey. For the Truth the Turkey is in Comparison a much more respectable Bird, and withal a true original Native of America... He is besides, though a little vain & silly, a Bird of Courage, and would not hesitate to attack a Grenadier of the British Guards who should presume to invade his Farm Yard with a red Coat on."

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Back on topic and let me say my inclination is to side with the Native American.
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The bald eagle isn't endangered anymore. They are re-established and quite common in thier native habitats.

The original aboriginal people often tried to commit genocide against each other, too. The Spaniards were only able to conquer the Aztecs because every other tribe around had been so abused by Aztec rule, and hated the Aztecs so much they wanted to help the Spaniards conquer them.
In bold, it is true and thanks to federal regulation to pull bald eagle out of endangered species.
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firearms took the place of bow and arrows. firearms were introduce by the same people that screwed the aboriginal people of their land and even tried to commit geocide against them. but that is all ok because now they can have casinos...
If you check you will find that casinos are managed and operated by other than indian tribes and not all tribes are allowed to have them. They get residuals from the profits. I don't know why, just saying.
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Now which one looks more regal?

The Eagle: Bald Eagle Photos, Pictures of Bald Eagles

or the Wild Turkey: Biden Can't Handle the Truth - Funny Joe Biden Pic
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