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**Foxrac** · 03-01-2012, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

I guess you can not be bothered with my "research and devlopment of solar and alternate energy" because back then (early 60's) that is what it would have took. Yes, you are right that the American people got caught up in a space race just like they are stupid enough to get caught up in plenty of other races. Does not make it right nor $$$$-worthy. JFK was suppose to be the leader of this country and make serious decisions but he was such an egotist (and womanizer) that he totally mis-led America. We Americans are still today paying for our mistake for electing him in the first place.

BTW: thank him that you still have a light bill and $5.00 gas

JFK is past and time for move on.

**Jiro** · 03-02-2012, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

When anger come from truth it is never misguided.
Your problem is you continue to deflect from the truth where you have no comeback from a weak position.

Weak sauce.

rolling7 · 03-02-2012, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

JFK is past and time for move on.

That is a good point. But it is exactually why we must raise hell TODAY about all the mistakes Obama is making because, if we don't, we will pay in the future.

**Jiro** · 03-02-2012, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

That is a good point. But it is exactually why we must raise hell TODAY about all the mistakes Obama is making because, if we don't, we will pay in the future.

so why didn't any Republican Presidents or GWB fix the so-called mistakes made by JFK?

and what mistakes are you referring to? and what are the solutions for that mistakes you're referring to?

rolling7 · 03-02-2012, 08:49 AM

The solution is not to re-elect him.

You have been following on AD, so you already know what his mistakes are.

As for presidents who followed JFK, they too ignored the snowball rolling down the hill and that snowball got bigger and bigger. Just look at Social Security. These guy's running today are just like those of the past since JFK, interested in their own re-election our keeping THEIR party in power. Putting the country first is the farthest thing from their mind.

**Jiro** · 03-02-2012, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

The solution is not to re-elect him.

You have been following on AD, so you already know what his mistakes are.

deflecting, I see.

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Originally Posted by rolling7

As for presidents who followed JFK, they too ignored the snowball rolling down the hill and that snowball got bigger and bigger. Just look at Social Security. These guy's running today are just like those of the past since JFK, interested in their own re-election our keeping THEIR party in power. Putting the country first is the farthest thing from their mind.

Republicans too, right?

rolling7 · 03-02-2012, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

deflecting, I see.

Republicans too, right?

It is not deflecting where you yourself have been posting comments about what Obama had been doing on AD. You ask an unnecessary question.

Of course, Republicans too. I'm fair, I don't look at them as Rep./Dem..
I just see the person and use their own actions and words as a guide.
If the are Rep. or Dem. I call them out regardless. That is your problem, you do see them as Rep./Dem. and give the Dems a pass.

**Jiro** · 03-02-2012, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

It is not deflecting where you yourself have been posting comments about what Obama had been doing on AD. You ask an unnecessary question.

deflecting again, I see.

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Originally Posted by rolling7

Of course, Republicans too. I'm fair, I don't look at them as Rep./Dem..
I just see the person and use their own actions and words as a guide.

so what about Republican Presidents after JFK? what of them?

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Originally Posted by rolling7

If the are Rep. or Dem. I call them out regardless. That is your problem, you do see them as Rep./Dem. and give the Dems a pass.

All parties are same to me. I lol at those who categorize them so I'm lol'ing at you as well.

rolling7 · 03-02-2012, 01:23 PM

Do you even know what the word "regardless" means?

**Jiro** · 03-02-2012, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

Do you even know what the word "regardless" means?

deflecting, I see. You were being very specific by specifically mentioning Obama and JFK.... and nada for Republican people?

what are you using to deflect it? a wok pan?

rolling7 · 03-02-2012, 01:29 PM

Answer the question first. You are the one deflecting.
Otherwise, go back and read my posts as I have already answered your questions.

**Jiro** · 03-02-2012, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

Answer the question first. You are the one deflecting.

where?

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Originally Posted by rolling7

Otherwise, go back and read my posts as I have already answered your questions.

that's why I asked. Your answer was not an answer to my questions. Just because you answered my questions doesn't mean it's really an answer. That's why I asked you again.

deafdrummer · 03-12-2012, 08:59 PM

Who deleted my post about gas being the cheapest in gold terms? It's not in this thread.

**Jiro** · 03-12-2012, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by deafdrummer

Who deleted my post about gas being the cheapest in gold terms? It's not in this thread.

must be in other thread. or it didn't go thru.

**Jiro** · 03-14-2012, 12:46 AM

It's Not Obama's Fault That Crude Oil Prices Have Increased | Peter Van Doren and Jerry Taylor | Cato Institute: Commentary

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Is President Obama responsible for the spiraling price of gasoline? Republicans say yes, but the facts say no.

Why have gasoline prices increased since the start of the year? The simplest explanation is that the price of crude oil has increased. Specifically, the spot price for Brent (North Sea) crude has increased $16 a barrel since January. Given that there are 42 gallons to a barrel, that works out to a 38 cent increase in the price of a gallon of oil. Spot prices for gasoline trade in New York have increased about 41 cents per gallon over the same time frame. So there you go.

Why is the price of North Sea oil relevant to the price of gasoline in the United States? Well, we import gasoline refined in Europe from North Sea crude. Even though these imports constitute less than 10 percent of U.S. gasoline consumption, they are necessary to satisfy domestic demand and their price sets the market price for all gasoline regardless of whether other cheaper crude sources are used to refine most of our gasoline.

Why is the price of North Sea crude rising? One possibility is that supply is down. North Sea (British) production has been decreasing for some time. During the first quarter of 2007, it was 1.7 million barrels a day, or mbd. By the end of 2011, it was down to 1.1 mbd. Norwegian crude oil production has likewise decreased from 2.7 mbd in the first quarter of 2007 to 2.1 mbd at the end of 2011. And global demand is bidding up the price of crude oil from the North Sea and elsewhere.

Ironically, during the same time period, U.S. crude oil production has marched upward for the first time since 1971. Since the start of 2007, U.S. production has increased by 2.1 mbd. Sure, more domestic oil creates the possibility of fewer refined imports tied to the price of Brent crude, but given that the price of Brent sets the price for crude generally, the result would be more profit for domestic crude producers rather than significantly lower gasoline prices for Americans (not that there's anything wrong with that).

So despite the popular perception of President Obama as anti-oil, domestic oil production is increasing for the first time since the Johnson administration. Alas, little of this has to do with the president. Prices increased from $22 in 2002 to just under $100 a barrel average in 2008 and supply has responded. President Obama is no more responsible for production increases than other presidents were responsible for production declines. Unfortunately, presidents get blamed for world market changes that occur during their time in office... but generally, they do not cause them.

rolling7 · 03-14-2012, 05:33 PM

Who caused ALL drilling in the Gulf to be suspended two years ago?
Who caused the Keystone Pipeline to be delayed?
I guess those two have to be blame on someone other than Obama by CATO.

**Jiro** · 03-14-2012, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

Who caused ALL drilling in the Gulf to be suspended two years ago?
Who caused the Keystone Pipeline to be delayed?
I guess those two have to be blame on someone other than Obama by CATO.

unfortunately..... whether or not if we start drilling now or later.... this has no bearing on our oil price until it actually starts producing oil.

so... if we started drilling 5 years ago and our oil price still went up, you'll blame Obama for whatever the reason it is so don't be a simpleton buffoon and now roll away.

it is unfortunate that you're unable to comprehend that simple article.

kokonut · 03-14-2012, 07:18 PM

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FEBRUARY 4, 2009 – Just months after President Obama’s Energy Secretary said, “Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe,” the Obama administration begins “scrapping leases for oil-shale development” and cancels 77 leases for oil and gas production in Utah. Gas is $1.91 a gallon.

MARCH 7, 2009 – ABC News says the White House is closely monitoring the expedited Solyndra loan project even as it was delaying new American energy production that would help make us less dependent on foreign energy. Gas is $1.94 a gallon.

JUNE 27, 2009 - President Obama urges the Senate to adopt House Democrats’ “cap and trade” national energy tax, the same one the president once admitted would cause electricity rates to “necessarily skyrocket.” Then-GOP Leader Boehner later said the bill “would raise electricity prices, increase gasoline prices, and ship American jobs to countries like China and India.” Gas is $2.50 a gallon.

JANUARY 7, 2010 – The Obama administration announces new bureaucratic hurdles to American energy production that Secretary Salazar admitted “could add delays to the leasing and drilling process.” Gas is $2.67 a gallon.

MARCH 31, 2010 – Instead of opening new areas to energy exploration and development, President Obama blocks deep-ocean energy production on 60 percent of America’s Outer Continental Shelf. Gas is $2.80 a gallon.

DECEMBER 1, 2010 – The president re-imposes and expands the moratorium on offshore energy production. Gas is $2.86 a gallon.

JANUARY 2, 2011 – TIME reported that the Obama administration issued the first in a series of regulations on January 2 designed to unilaterally impose a national energy tax. Gas is $3.05 a gallon.

MAY 5, 2011 – The White House issues a formal statement opposing House-passed Restarting American Offshore Leasing Now Act (H.R. 1230) and Putting the Gulf of Mexico Back to Work Act (H.R. 1229), legislation designed to jumpstart American energy production, address rising gas prices, and help create new jobs. Gas is $3.96 a gallon.

JUNE 21, 2011 - The White House opposes the House-passed Jobs & Energy Permitting Act that would unlock an estimated 27 billion barrels of oil and 132 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. Gas is $3.65 a gallon.

NOVEMBER 8, 2011 – The Obama Administration releases a plan for a five-year moratorium on offshore energy production, placing “some of the most promising energy resources in the world off-limits,” according to the House Natural Resources Committee. Gas is $3.42 a gallon.

JANUARY 18, 2012 – President Obama rejects the bipartisan Keystone XL pipeline and the more than 20,000 jobs that would come with it. Gas is $3.39 a gallon, and rising faster and earlier than ever before.

Running on Empty: New Chart Shows White House Plan for Higher Gas Prices & Fewer Jobs | Speaker of the House John Boehner | speaker.gov

Plus many, many more where that came from...

American Energy Ro*******s by the Obama Administration - House Committee on Natural Resources

Gas is what now? It has gone up .30 cents in one month. Many stations well over $4.00
Daily Fuel Gauge Report--national, state and local average prices for gasoline, diesel and E-85.

**Foxrac** · 03-14-2012, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Running on Empty: New Chart Shows White House Plan for Higher Gas Prices & Fewer Jobs | Speaker of the House John Boehner | speaker.gov

Plus many, many more where that came from...

American Energy Ro*******s by the Obama Administration - House Committee on Natural Resources

Gas is what now? It has gone up .30 cents in one month. Many stations well over $4.00
Daily Fuel Gauge Report--national, state and local average prices for gasoline, diesel and E-85.

Not here, the gas price is around $3.50 at most stations.

rolling7 · 03-14-2012, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

unfortunately..... whether or not if we start drilling now or later.... this has no bearing on our oil price until it actually starts producing oil.

so... if we started drilling 5 years ago and our oil price still went up, you'll blame Obama for whatever the reason it is so don't be a simpleton buffoon and now roll away.

it is unfortunate that you're unable to comprehend that simple article.

Really? Guess which party of simpleton buffoons rejected a bill to drill on American soil? That would be Obama's and your party of simpleton buffoons yesterday.
Undoubtly you are unfortunate to comprehend that your party is being the cause of high oil prices and Obama is controlling your party.

**TXgolfer** · 03-14-2012, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Not here, the gas price is around $3.50 at most stations.

A 52 cent increase in 3 months time.

Historical Price Charts - Birmingham Gas Prices

**Foxrac** · 03-14-2012, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

A 52 cent increase in 3 months time.

Historical Price Charts - Birmingham Gas Prices

Still under $4 per gal.

**Foxrac** · 03-14-2012, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

It's Not Obama's Fault That Crude Oil Prices Have Increased | Peter Van Doren and Jerry Taylor | Cato Institute: Commentary

Good article.

**TXgolfer** · 03-14-2012, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Still under $4 per gal.

You are in a gulf state, it's almost always lower in gulf states...... $3.59 and climbing is Very High for Alabama....especially with the level of poverty there.

rolling7 · 03-14-2012, 10:01 PM

Folks in Houston are looking to bikes and buses. They are certainly not buying electric cars!
That is what Obama wants but what is he doing to LOWER electric rates....nothing.
So the double wallop of higher oil prices and high electricity is hurting all Americans.
For those of you whom say Obama did not cause this, I sau to you "What is he doing about it?l
Watching basketball!! Remember...of you are not part of the solution, you ARE part of the problem.

**Foxrac** · 03-14-2012, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

You are in a gulf state, it's almost always lower in gulf states...... $3.59 and climbing is Very High for Alabama....especially with the level of poverty there.

Well, the gas price has been hit beyond $4 per gal for limited time like in Katrina and again in 2008.

Funny to say, during Katrina era, the gas price in CA is cheaper than southern states.

kokonut · 03-14-2012, 10:11 PM

Obama wants to see gasoline prices go up. Even to that of the level of Europe's which is about twice the United States according to Energy secretary Chu's comment in 2008.

**Foxrac** · 03-14-2012, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Obama wants to see gasoline prices go up. Even to that of the level of Europe's which is about twice the United States according to Energy secretary Chu's comment in 2008.

That's not true.

Steel X · 03-15-2012, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

That's one of the reasons why President Obama and ex-President Bush talked about HYBRID, HYBRID and HYBRID to avoid depending on gas too much. In the future, we will have alot of new hybrid vehicles than before. Just wait and see. Time changes, thus things change. That's part of our life.

Yet, no one really listen to them and still bitch about it, which is pathetic thou.

Steel X · 03-15-2012, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Obama wants to see gasoline prices go up. Even to that of the level of Europe's which is about twice the United States according to Energy secretary Chu's comment in 2008.

No he doesn't and he doesn't have the pricing power to do that. Didn't you read the article?

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03-02-2012, 08:49 AM	#65 (permalink)
rolling7 Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,340	The solution is not to re-elect him. You have been following on AD, so you already know what his mistakes are. As for presidents who followed JFK, they too ignored the snowball rolling down the hill and that snowball got bigger and bigger. Just look at Social Security. These guy's running today are just like those of the past since JFK, interested in their own re-election our keeping THEIR party in power. Putting the country first is the farthest thing from their mind.

03-02-2012, 01:23 PM	#69 (permalink)
rolling7 Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,340	Do you even know what the word "regardless" means?

03-02-2012, 01:29 PM	#71 (permalink)
rolling7 Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,340	Answer the question first. You are the one deflecting. Otherwise, go back and read my posts as I have already answered your questions.

03-12-2012, 08:59 PM	#73 (permalink)
deafdrummer Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Preparing to evacuate from Houston, TX Posts: 1,023	Who deleted my post about gas being the cheapest in gold terms? It's not in this thread.

03-14-2012, 05:33 PM	#76 (permalink)
rolling7 Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,340	Who caused ALL drilling in the Gulf to be suspended two years ago? Who caused the Keystone Pipeline to be delayed? I guess those two have to be blame on someone other than Obama by CATO.

03-14-2012, 10:01 PM	#85 (permalink)
rolling7 Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,340	Folks in Houston are looking to bikes and buses. They are certainly not buying electric cars! That is what Obama wants but what is he doing to LOWER electric rates....nothing. So the double wallop of higher oil prices and high electricity is hurting all Americans. For those of you whom say Obama did not cause this, I sau to you "What is he doing about it?l Watching basketball!! Remember...of you are not part of the solution, you ARE part of the problem.