Kids Turned Away From Church.... - Page 7

rolling7 · 02-26-2012, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Simply ask any Muslim to take a look at Quran

Nice deflect of the question.

The question to you and any Muslim is:
Does the original Quran exist?

If not, moot point.

**Beowulf** · 02-26-2012, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

Nice deflect of the question.

The question to you and any Muslim is:
Does the original Quran exist?

If not, moot point.

The next logical question is, does the original Bible exist? Another moot point.

rolling7 · 02-26-2012, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Not perhaps. I meant exactly what I said.

But if you wanna say it like that, then 9/11 attack isn't really by Islamic terrorists.

I never said they were. IMO they were just Muslim terrorist.

Although they read the Quran, prayed according to the Quran, used the Quran to justify themself, etc. they were not true believers. Just the same as those so-called christian groups you name. The 9/11 terrorist and your named group are all imposters.

**Jiro** · 02-26-2012, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

Nice deflect of the question.

The question to you and any Muslim is:
Does the original Quran exist?

If not, moot point.

I'm not sure what you're asking. Quran itself is the ordinal text.

rolling7 · 02-26-2012, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

The next logical question is, does the original Bible exist? Another moot point.

You are right. That is because in the times of the O.T. there was no paper and the O.T.was never meant to be on paper but to live in the hearts of the people.

**Jiro** · 02-26-2012, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

I never said they were. IMO they were just Muslim terrorist.

Although they read the Quran, prayed according to the Quran, used the Quran to justify themself, etc. they were not true believers. Just the same as those so-called christian groups you name. The 9/11 terrorist and your named group are all imposters.

Agreed and I'm also making another point. Why is it that there are so many Christian groups?

**Jiro** · 02-26-2012, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

You are right. That is because in the times of the O.T. there was no paper and the O.T.was never meant to be on paper but to live in the hearts of the people.

Moses wrote it down on a stone

rolling7 · 02-26-2012, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

I'm not sure what you're asking. Quran itself is the ordinal text.

Ok, then where is the first copy (i.e. The Original)?
Let us all look at it so comparison can be made to what is being used by others today.

I'll bet my last dollar that the original does not exist.

rolling7 · 02-26-2012, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Agreed and I'm also making another point. Why is it that there are so many Christian groups?

Same reason there are many Muslim groups.

rolling7 · 02-26-2012, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Moses wrote it down on a stone

Nope, God did that and gave the stones to Moses. They disappeared with the Ark of the Convenant.

**Reba** · 02-26-2012, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Agreed.

And there are religious sick hate groups and terrorists like KKK, Koresh Camp, and Westboro Baptists Church. There are more hate Chrisitian groups in America than Muslims.

Do you have some kind of research proving that there are more Christian hate groups? Also, how do you quantify "more?" More total individuals in the groups or more groups? Also, how do you identify a group or individual as "Christian?" Do you differentiate between groups who talk trash but don't commit acts of violence with those who kill people?

**Jiro** · 02-26-2012, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

Ok, then where is the first copy (i.e. The Original)?
Let us all look at it so comparison can be made to what is being used by others today.

I'll bet my last dollar that the original does not exist.

Oh my. You're have a great difficulty in understanding it.

Food for thought- if I were to pick up Quran from here, Saudi Arabia, and Ethopia... It's exactly same.

Can I say same for Bible?

**Jiro** · 02-26-2012, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

Same reason there are many Muslim groups.

Looking at American history, I think you know which one caused more problems.

**Jiro** · 02-26-2012, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Do you have some kind of research proving that there are more Christian hate groups? Also, how do you quantify "more?" More total individuals in the groups or more groups? Also, how do you identify a group or individual as "Christian?" Do you differentiate between groups who talk trash but don't commit acts of violence with those who kill people?

Not gonna bother with this because we both know what you're trying to do. All I can say is pick up a newspaper and look at who is causing more trouble than others.

**TWA** · 02-26-2012, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

All acts of terrorism and hate in America are caused by evil people.

Being Christian, Muslim, or any other religion does not preclude anyone from being "evil" or committing evil acts.

**Foxrac** · 02-26-2012, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Agreed.

And there are religious sick hate groups and terrorists like KKK, Koresh Camp, and Westboro Baptists Church. There are more hate Chrisitian groups in America than Muslims.

Yup, make sense.

FRC, ADA, FRI and NOM are four of them as well.

There are many gay people got bullied or physically assaulted by anti-gay Christians and I haven't hear about situation with Muslims, at least for America.

Also, there are FAR MORE MORE Christians than Muslims in the USA.

**TXgolfer** · 02-26-2012, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Yup, make sense.

FRC, ADA, FRI and NOM are four of them as well.

There are many gay people got bullied or physically assaulted by anti-gay Christians and I haven't hear about situation with Muslims, at least for America.

Also, there are FAR MORE MORE Christians than Muslims in the USA.

You should look it up. It's "interesting"

**KarissaMann05** · 02-26-2012, 10:55 PM

Well, at the least, there are so fewer Wiccan/Pagan terrorists than Christian terrorists...

**Jiro** · 02-26-2012, 10:59 PM

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Well, at the least, there are so fewer Wiccan/Pagan terrorists than Christian terrorists...

probably because many Wiccans and Pagans were killed off by Christians

**KarissaMann05** · 02-26-2012, 11:03 PM

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probably because many Wiccans and Pagans were killed off by Christians

Yeah... That's shame, indeed. Mainly, they used to believe Wiccans and Pagans are Satanists or demonic witches. =/

Well, in fact, the majority of Wiccans and Pagans aren't a Satanist whether you like or not.

EDIT: But, it seems this thread turns in Three Major Religions (especially Christianity) vs. Other Religions here.

**Jiro** · 02-26-2012, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KarissaMann05

Yeah... That's shame, indeed. Mainly, they used to believe Wiccans and Pagans are Satanists or demonic witches. =/

Well, in fact, the majority of Wiccans and Pagans aren't a Satanist whether you like or not.

EDIT: But, it seems this thread turns in Three Major Religions (especially Christianity) vs. Other Religions here.

yea I know. My friend is a Wiccan.

**Reba** · 02-27-2012, 08:33 AM

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Do you have some kind of research proving that there are more Christian hate groups? Also, how do you quantify "more?" More total individuals in the groups or more groups? Also, how do you identify a group or individual as "Christian?" Do you differentiate between groups who talk trash but don't commit acts of violence with those who kill people?

Not gonna bother with this because we both know what you're trying to do. All I can say is pick up a newspaper and look at who is causing more trouble than others.

What I'm trying to do is see some facts to back up accusations.

**Reba** · 02-27-2012, 08:45 AM

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All acts of terrorism and hate in America are caused by evil people.

Being Christian, Muslim, or any other religion does not preclude anyone from being "evil" or committing evil acts.

There are evil people in non-evil groups, there are independent evil doers, and there are some groups that are intrinsically evil with evil memberships. Some evildoers, lone wolf and group, have evil intent against American people worldwide, or the country of the United States. Some aim at the government of the USA or specific agencies of the USA.

Sadly, there is plenty of hate to go around. Even worse, some of that hate results in violence and death.

**Reba** · 02-27-2012, 08:59 AM

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Well, at the least, there are so fewer Wiccan/Pagan terrorists than Christian terrorists...

probably because many Wiccans and Pagans were killed off by Christians

How many were "killed off" in America?

**Jiro** · 02-27-2012, 10:03 AM

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There are evil people in non-evil groups, there are independent evil doers, and there are some groups that are intrinsically evil with evil memberships. Some evildoers, lone wolf and group, have evil intent against American people worldwide, or the country of the United States. Some aim at the government of the USA or specific agencies of the USA.

Sadly, there is plenty of hate to go around. Even worse, some of that hate results in violence and death.

right and I'm specifically talking about specific groups with specific ill agenda. in America, majority of hate crimes, deaths, and violence are caused by Christian groups more than other religious groups such as Islamic groups.

**Jiro** · 02-27-2012, 10:04 AM

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How many were "killed off" in America?

well I said "probably" with

but if I were to guess, it's probably in untold thousands of deaths.

DeafCaroline · 02-27-2012, 10:04 AM

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well I said "probably" with

but if I were to guess, it's probably in untold thousands of deaths.

think about all the black slaves killed by Christians. I think that counts.

airportcop · 02-27-2012, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

I'm not sure what you're asking. Quran itself is the ordinal text.

Whatever! If as you said you pick up a Bible in America, Saudi Arabia and wherever they would indeed be the same. Different languages but same message!

airportcop · 02-27-2012, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

think about all the black slaves killed by Christians. I think that counts.

Think about all the black slaves killed by non-Christians!

airportcop · 02-27-2012, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Not gonna bother with this because we both know what you're trying to do. All I can say is pick up a newspaper and look at who is causing more trouble than others.

That would be the Muslims if you read any paper or watch any news!

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