kokonut

Damn.

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Deafness

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VacationGuy234

No argument there, none of the candidates I've seen are anything to write home about.

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VacationGuy234

Correct.

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Beowulf

Not Ron Paul.

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TWA

So you had no trouble understanding what I meant? Even though you couldn't read my mind???? Wow, the others had me convinced I was speaking in tongues. Thanks for restoring my confidence in my ability to convey written information.

Beowulf

Maybe reading between the lines is an art lost beyond recovery.

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VacationGuy234

They just want you to keep writing so that they can keep reading.

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DeafCaroline

I am noting the irony of men dominating a thread started by a woman about an article about men dominating the birth control debate.

TXgolfer

And yet not a one has said anything anti-BC......you should be thrilled.

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DeafCaroline

How does this in any way relate to the real issues facing women and unwanted pregnancies in this world today? According to the World Health Organization, 1/4 of all babies born on this planet are unwanted babies that women were forced to have because other people think they have a right to control women and their bodies and this is resulting in millions of children going hungry because the very same people, due to religious/chauvinistic beliefs , forcing women to have them won't help feed those babies nor shelter them.

It's unreal that you, a woman, are completely oblivious and indifferent to this and comparing demands for birth control coverage to something as trivial as your husband not being able to buy a gun because he has to pay the utility bill.

what's wrong with you?

DeafCaroline

TXGolfer - not thrilled at all because I know some moron is going to post on this thread eventually talking about how having sex is not a right.

TXgolfer

Wow. Interesting

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saywhatkid

My question; where are all the women?

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TXgolfer

I used to ask that all the time.

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DeafCaroline

damn good question. I have a feeling they're staying away because of certain members commenting on threads like these. They've had enough of them.

saywhatkid

I know you swing a big bat, but am surprised there are so few women replying here. Kind of sad to me. Not gonna debate birth control politics with a bunch of white guys.

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DeafCaroline

It's sad to me too.

TXgolfer

But would it really change anything since we all seem to agree?

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Babyblue

Women should have a right to chose birth control and have a right to have access to it regardless of income.

Obama sees this, and realize it is much cheaper to prevent a pregnancy, than having the government pay for unwanted pregnancies, labor and delivery and supporting the children welfare.

saywhatkid

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cmdrwhitewolf

Why are men dominating the debate? Perhaps these ten reasons will help explain - Cagle Post » 10 Facts About Contraception Everyone Should Know

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VacationGuy234

The problem is that these, "people" who have these, "religious/chauvinistic beliefs" are also women and they don't want anything to change. IMO, until this changes nothing else will change.

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DeafCaroline

Most women do not hold these beliefs. the ones who do are doing so from a privileged position where they feel it's easy to be judgemental because they have no idea exactly what they're judging because they've been lucky enough to be spared, or from some dogmatic religious belief that have no positive influence on the realities women around the world face every day or because they feel they will escape persecution if they reflect the same beliefs men hold. The latter part is especially true in societies where religion rule politics and governance.

It's interesting to note that in countries where abortion and birth control is forbidden, there's a higher rate of illegal abortions and a much higher rate of violence and oppression against women. Actually, it's not interesting, it's scary.

DeafCaroline

Just in case no one bothers to click on the link, copying and pasting part of the article here:

With that in mind below is a list of the most powerful ways contraception has impacted and continues to impact the world, particularly America. I’m sure there are more than ten so please feel free to add to the list in the comments section below.
1. In countries with the highest fertility rates women have the shortest life expectancies.
Women in Sierra Leone live half as long as women in developed countries and ten years less than their African counterparts in some African countries, and no this is not merely due to the history of civil unrest. One in eight Sierra Leonean women die in childbirth. In othercountries like Chad, where women are likely to give birth to six or more children, women are lucky to live to age 55.
2. In countries with the highest fertility rates women have the fewest rights.
In country’s like Niger and Mali, both of which fall in the top ten for countries with greatest number of births per woman, women and young girls can still be forced into marriages. A recent case in Niger documented a 9-year-old girl forced to “marry” a 50 year-old man.
3. Country’s with low contraception usage have the lowest number of women who can read.
In Afghanistan, which continues to have one of the highest fertility rates in the world, and where contraception knowledge and access remains limited (and women give birth to an average of six children) 87% of women cannot read. In Sierra Leone the number is 71%.

4. Men who physically abuse their partners fear contraception. (Think about that for a moment.)
A national study of more than 3,000 abused women conducted by the National Domestic Violence Hotline, found that 1 in 4 said their partners sabotaged, hid or prohibited use of birth control as a form of control in an already abusive relationship. These findings confirmed those of a number of smaller studies.
5. When contraception availability goes down, abortion rates go up.
Abortion remains illegal in the Philippines but for the last decade the nation’s capital, Manila, has been at the heart of a battle over contraception. Contraception was stigmatized and difficult to access prior to 2000 when contraception was prohibited altogether by anexecutive order. (It is not unusual for women who have come of age in the city during the time period of the ban to have more than 10 children.) While the abortion rate in the country has barely changed in recent years, the rate in Manila increased by more than 10%. So has the number of women dying of complications from illegal abortions.
6. Countries with the highest fertility rates have the highest poverty rates.
Ten of the countries with the world’s highest fertility rates are located in Africa. Between 1990 and 2001, the African continent experienced what is deemed “extreme population growth.” The number of those on the continent living in “extreme poverty ballooned” from 231 million to 318 million.
7. Before contraception* American women were statistically more likely to die in childbirth than they are today.
At the start of the 20th century the maternal mortality rate in America was approximately 65 times higher than it is today. During the 17th and 18th centuries — long before modern contraception became widely available — the average American woman gave birth to between 5 and 8 children. Her likelihood of dying in childbirth increased with every birth. The number of women who died in childbirth or its immediate aftermath was 1 in every 8 women.
*Forms of contraception have been available since ancient times (click here to see ancient forms of contraception) but contraception did not become widely available in the U.S. until the Supreme Court’s landmark ruling in Griswold v. Connecticut in 1965. Click here to read about Griswold and other key contraception cases.)
8. Before contraception men greatly outnumbered American women in colleges.
Today women outnumber men. In 1960, just before the Griswold decision, only 35% of college students were women. Today women represent at least 57% of students on most college campuses.
9. Before contraception there were no female CEO’s of Fortune 500 companies.
Katherine Graham became the first female CEO of a Fortune 500 company when she became Chairman of the Washington Post Company in 1973. She inherited the publication from her husband, who had inherited the role from Graham’s father, but Graham succeeded far beyond anyone’s expectations. Since her trailblazing ascent, more than a dozen other women have reached the highest rung on the corporate latter with a record-breaking 18 women serving as CEOs of Fortune 500 companies in 2011, the largest number in history.
10. Before contraception women were virtually invisible in Congress.
Just before contraception became officially legal in the U.S. (1965) there were 20 women in the House of Representatives and one female Senator, Margaret Chase Smith. None of them were women of color. (Patsy Mink, an Asian-American, was elected to her first term the year Griswold was decided by the Supreme Court.) Today there are 76 women in the House. Fourteen of them are African-American, four of them are Asian-American and seven are Latina. There are 17 women in the Senate.

Reba

Grayma was responding to my post. I stated that this claim that birth control is a right, seems to be the only "right" that is subsidized by our taxes (in America). Our Constitution enumerates several rights yet the others aren't paid for by taxpayers.

People want birth control supported by Federally mandated insurance.

The Second Amendment protects the rights of Americans to bear arms yet it doesn't provide any tax dollars to support that right.

Same with other constitutional rights. Individuals don't get financial support for them. What makes birth control the exception?

Reba

Reba

Why not? Are you sexist and racist?

saywhatkid

Sad that you were so quick to jump to that conclusion.

Um....well, it was just a bunch of white guys posting. I would happily debate most topics with anyone. My point was that this, as a topic mostly related to women, that only white men were participating.

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kokonut

Yeah. Not much of an argument.

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DeafCaroline

Reba, are you saying that subsidizing birth control is a violation of your Constitutional rights? You have nothing to say at all about the realities of women in this world and the millions of unwanted children being born? Just that you think helping other women is a wrongful use of your taxes. wow. the women of the world says "gee, thanks for your support."

Good thing the Constitution, written by men who denied women the right to vote and own property, can be amended. It has been several times already.