Milk Way has more planets than stars.

Royale · 01-15-2012, 10:19 PM

Milky Way has more planets than stars - Technology & Science - CBC News

The Possibility of Alien Life Is Now (Almost) Impossible to Deny

Just... Wow!

Know what it means? It is very possible that there is intelligent life out there.

Steinhauer · 01-15-2012, 10:33 PM

Surprised?

whatdidyousay! · 01-15-2012, 10:48 PM

Of course there is intelligent life out there , they're so intelligent that they're staying away from us! I can't blame them!

UNYTruthHunters · 01-16-2012, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Royale

Milky Way has more planets than stars - Technology & Science - CBC News

The Possibility of Alien Life Is Now (Almost) Impossible to Deny

Just... Wow!

Know what it does? It is very possible that there is intelligent life out there.

It is very possible to have a lifeform on other planets especially those in the goldilocks grid or band around stars. Earth is in goldilock band since it is the right distance and temperature to substain life. Mars is too far out and too cold and Mercury and Venus are too close to the Sol (Sun) that their surface actually liquified. That means it is melted hot with molton lava.

Ok, The Drake Theory back in the mid-century is becoming reality due to the fact if you take a number of stars in space, then there should be a number of planets that can provide life. Let'stake a look at the Drake Theory:

N=R*fp*ne*fl*fi*fc*L

N=Number of total species which could be sufficiently advanced tocommunicate with us.

R=Average rate of star formation.

fp=Fraction of those stars which have planets orbiting them.

ne=Number of planets that can (potentially) support life, per starthat has planets (average number).

fL=fraction of planets that actually develop life.

fi=Fraction of planets that develop life that develop intelligentlife.

fc=The fraction of communicative planets.

L=Length of time required for them to do so

(Source from Drake Theory )

All things are possible! Of course, our Solar System has most planets and others one planet each or at least two or three by now. Kelper Telescope has its limits that it can not measure how many planets each star it has. It measure the whopple of the star and measure that planet's mass and contents on it. Earth has 1 mass and contains water and Oxygen if Kelper was placed on another planet in many light years away.

Now, lifeforms and strictly I am using lifeform rather than intelligent beings is because it is more possible to have plants and wildlife on another planet than Extraterrestrials (ETs)known as "Aliens".

While we do not have solid proof from ETs saying there are 200,00 different speices according to a "Gray" who might be a Repetillian who took the Hills couple (Barney and Betty Hill). They even point out where they are from and used a point of view from Earth where (interesting, this star map Betty made from the "Gray" was drawn few years BEFORE the discovery of that location in 1973 by an starglazer fan.)

Of course, about 125 sighting daily Humans saw UFOs, known as Unindentified Flying Objects, not one yet officially come down to become our friends--yet.

The reason Aliens do not want to be friends yet.. have you all watched Anicent Aliens? Watch those shows on your computer thru Netflix, HULU, or YouTube and you will understand. It is on History Channel.

You will understand why they do not want to be part of our lives. They are seeing us as animals. Yes, animals. They abuct us, do experiments on us, take our tissues and examples. Sounds like a Twilight Zone tv show, right? This is exactly we are in. There are physcial proofs such as Roswell and Laredo, Texas, Aurora, Texas and the Kecksburg, PA crashes.

It remains a mystery. It is up to the American Government to admit they have UFOs. On Anicent Aliens tv show, they said we have about a dozen UFOs while Russia has eight UFOs. Other countries at least one each.

Interesting? Yes it is!

The Bible did not say anything about ETs or Aliens were created but it is possible they were created. We will stop here on this because this is another whole ball game to talk about.

Royale · 01-16-2012, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Surprised?

No. I find it very awesome.

Royale · 01-16-2012, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by UNYTruthHunters

It is very possible to have a lifeform on other planets especially those in the goldilocks grid or band around stars. Earth is in goldilock band since it is the right distance and temperature to substain life. Mars is too far out and too cold and Mercury and Venus are too close to the Sol (Sun) that their surface actually liquified. That means it is melted hot with molton lava.

Ok, The Drake Theory back in the mid-century is becoming reality due to the fact if you take a number of stars in space, then there should be a number of planets that can provide life. Let'stake a look at the Drake Theory:

N=R*fp*ne*fl*fi*fc*L

N=Number of total species which could be sufficiently advanced tocommunicate with us.

R=Average rate of star formation.

fp=Fraction of those stars which have planets orbiting them.

ne=Number of planets that can (potentially) support life, per starthat has planets (average number).

fL=fraction of planets that actually develop life.

fi=Fraction of planets that develop life that develop intelligentlife.

fc=The fraction of communicative planets.

L=Length of time required for them to do so

(Source from Drake Theory )

All things are possible! Of course, our Solar System has most planets and others one planet each or at least two or three by now. Kelper Telescope has its limits that it can not measure how many planets each star it has. It measure the whopple of the star and measure that planet's mass and contents on it. Earth has 1 mass and contains water and Oxygen if Kelper was placed on another planet in many light years away.

Now, lifeforms and strictly I am using lifeform rather than intelligent beings is because it is more possible to have plants and wildlife on another planet than Extraterrestrials (ETs)known as "Aliens".

While we do not have solid proof from ETs saying there are 200,00 different speices according to a "Gray" who might be a Repetillian who took the Hills couple (Barney and Betty Hill). They even point out where they are from and used a point of view from Earth where (interesting, this star map Betty made from the "Gray" was drawn few years BEFORE the discovery of that location in 1973 by an starglazer fan.)

Of course, about 125 sighting daily Humans saw UFOs, known as Unindentified Flying Objects, not one yet officially come down to become our friends--yet.

The reason Aliens do not want to be friends yet.. have you all watched Anicent Aliens? Watch those shows on your computer thru Netflix, HULU, or YouTube and you will understand. It is on History Channel.

You will understand why they do not want to be part of our lives. They are seeing us as animals. Yes, animals. They abuct us, do experiments on us, take our tissues and examples. Sounds like a Twilight Zone tv show, right? This is exactly we are in. There are physcial proofs such as Roswell and Laredo, Texas, Aurora, Texas and the Kecksburg, PA crashes.

It remains a mystery. It is up to the American Government to admit they have UFOs. On Anicent Aliens tv show, they said we have about a dozen UFOs while Russia has eight UFOs. Other countries at least one each.

Interesting? Yes it is!

The Bible did not say anything about ETs or Aliens were created but it is possible they were created. We will stop here on this because this is another whole ball game to talk about.

I concur with your post. I always firmly and strongly believe that there is a life out there.

Do u think that James Webb Space Telescope will do much better job than Kepler Space Telescope since they got better tools?

I have watched a bit of Ancient Aliens lately and they are quite interesting. What I cannot stand about the show is a guy with raising hair! LOL!

**sequoias** · 01-16-2012, 12:20 PM

Wow, just wow!

Steel X · 01-16-2012, 05:28 PM

Our galaxy has more planets than stars eh? Interesting...getting us to know more and more about the possibility of alien life out there, into a very big possibility. It does make sense that if there is an very advanced race of beings, they could see us as "dumb little critters" or as of little importance to them because, for example, like ants. Ants are indeed pretty smart creatures who actually start their own civilizations but we do not find anything very important about them because we are not "impressed" by their use of "technology" because our technology is obviously more advanced than theirs...so that may be the same thing with us humans and other intelligent beings.

UNYTruthHunters · 01-17-2012, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Steel X

Our galaxy has more planets than stars eh? Interesting...getting us to know more and more about the possibility of alien life out there, into a very big possibility. It does make sense that if there is an very advanced race of beings, they could see us as "dumb little critters" or as of little importance to them because, for example, like ants. Ants are indeed pretty smart creatures who actually start their own civilizations but we do not find anything very important about them because we are not "impressed" by their use of "technology" because our technology is obviously more advanced than theirs...so that may be the same thing with us humans and other intelligent beings.

That is a very good point, Steel X! You are correct in your anaylical point of view. Ants are very complicated and developed but to us, looks like nothing. But that is where we are wrong. You are right, ETs/Aliens are so.. advanced than we do. We are like the Ants to them and the Aliens are like us. Sad. Good job!

UNYTruthHunters · 01-17-2012, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Royale

I concur with your post. I always firmly and strongly believe that there is a life out there.

Do u think that James Webb Space Telescope will do much better job than Kepler Space Telescope since they got better tools?

I have watched a bit of Ancient Aliens lately and they are quite interesting. What I cannot stand about the show is a guy with raising hair! LOL!

Agreed. There has to be life out there. I know so too.

Um.. about those Telescopes.. Good question. Never thought of it. The space version is better than on earth thanks to pollution such as light and gas that can cloud our view of space. If you are on a cruise ship nowdays, you have best view than those on land especially in the city. Maybe you can see well where there is no life near you. But space is better for telescopes like Kelper (and Hubble).

I know what you mean. You are not only one said about Gioregio (sp) K. Psst, he is Greek-American. Must be that Greek thingy. Hahaha. His hair!! Not combed! But I looked carefully, that is waxed or sprayed hair style of his. Remember the 1980's Mall hair? Same thing! Hahaha. The show is interesting yes. Some I think I can agree and some I dont.

Grummer · 01-17-2012, 04:13 PM

what is 80's mall hair?

UNYTruthHunters · 01-17-2012, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Grummer

what is 80's mall hair?

Haha, you may have not yet born or prior to the 1980's. That 80's Mall hair style I am referring is to.. ok.. have you seen Married with Children tv show? Al Bundy's daughter had that hairstyle.

Melaine Griffith had that style in an 80's movie I do not recall the name of it.

Look up on the net for the 80's hairstyles!

Here is one website you can look into:

Hairstyles in the 1980s - Like Totally Rad!

Have fun looking at the 80's! Hahaha. Wink!

Steinhauer · 02-13-2012, 01:21 AM

CfA Press Room

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Cambridge, MA - In the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, astronomers have hunted for radio signals and ultra-short laser pulses. In a new paper, Avi Loeb (Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics) and Edwin Turner (Princeton University) suggest a new technique for finding aliens: look for their city lights. "Looking for alien cities would be a long shot, but wouldn't require extra resources. And if we succeed, it would change our perception of our place in the universe," said Loeb.

**Jiro** · 02-13-2012, 01:28 AM

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That is a very good point, Steel X! You are correct in your anaylical point of view. Ants are very complicated and developed but to us, looks like nothing. But that is where we are wrong. You are right, ETs/Aliens are so.. advanced than we do. We are like the Ants to them and the Aliens are like us. Sad. Good job!

if aliens are as evolved as ants... we are screwed. very screwed. ants are far more superior than us in terms of biology and evolution. they just happened to be smaller and easier to step on... until you're unfortunate enough to be in middle of swarm of carnivorous ants.

UNYTruthHunters · 02-14-2012, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

CfA Press Room

This is a good point. However, technically, we do not have that technology for a special telescope that can tell you about city lights. Only they have a spectrum scale that tells you air, water, gas, etc.

Because of that, we have already found goldilocks planets and earth-like planets with some evidence, not fully. Give it another 20 years, maybe earilest as a dozen years, we will have a new scope that will spot planets with city lights.

They should also X-Ray or use IR technology in telescopes because they can catch cloaking or high speed UFOs. And trace toward to the area where they would be seen.

I believe the American Government already knows planets with ETs on it. However, they can not release that to the press due to destruction of civilization as we know it. In another word, they could destroy trust (already have), political purposes, destroy religion, mass hysteria, etc.

That is why the US Government always deny any UFOs and ETs for those very reasons.

UNYTruthHunters · 02-14-2012, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

if aliens are as evolved as ants... we are screwed. very screwed. ants are far more superior than us in terms of biology and evolution. they just happened to be smaller and easier to step on... until you're unfortunate enough to be in middle of swarm of carnivorous ants.

Of course, very screwed. However, they are close though. There are some speices of ETs are somewhat closely related! The Repellians who are similar to the Grays. They are taller, slightly bigger and of course both of those speices have large eyes just like those bugs!

There are other aliens classified. One time in 1957, there was a UFO came down in KY. A group of boys and their mother and a young man saw something near their farmhouse and they saw this alien flying in a special craft that is similar to our earthly 2 wheel scooter you stand up with. Well, this alien has a Ace of Spade shaped head and the rest of body closely resembled to a bug. But this alien they saw is human sized. It freaked them and the smell as well scared them to run back to the house. Mysteriously they all got sick for long time. This incident was shown on History Channel one time as part of MonsterQuest TV series, I believe.

PowerON · 02-14-2012, 09:02 AM

That's normal. It's simple concept as you see sun around by 9 planets. Therefore, there are many planets around by the sun (star).

Steinhauer · 02-15-2012, 01:24 AM

**Jiro** · 02-15-2012, 01:42 AM

what am I looking at, Steinhauer? a penny?

**TXgolfer** · 02-15-2012, 01:50 AM

Looks like it's heads up....I would leave it if I were you.....or is that tails...

Steinhauer · 02-15-2012, 01:55 AM

I am scratching my head a bit on these photos.

Alien Technology Found on Mars -- Ours! : Discovery News

Only because of the dimensions of this photo:

In the above photo - they have zoom out so you can even see the rover lander - annnnd .... the picture is taken a lot closer to the crater.

Steinhauer · 02-15-2012, 02:21 AM

When I went to the meteor crater in Arizona, I was able to get a few photos. Just to illustrate why I am "scratching my head" here is an Apollo test lander - roughly the same size the rover lander would be:

Can you see it in this aerial photograph of the crater?

Here is a boulder that is the size of a two story house - look for that boulder in the aerial photograph too:

Just a few more pictures I have of the trip:

UNYTruthHunters · 02-15-2012, 07:41 AM

Steinhauer, interesting photos you have! Yeah, the crater.. The one in AZ is like those on Mars and moon and other planets and moons out there if any. The AZ is closely resembled to the ones on Mars. The desert, the way rocks appears after metorite crash to Earth, etc.

You are right about the size. Rovers easily be seen on Mars than spaceship or the 2 story house-sized rock. You just brought up a new mystery or conspircy theory. Something isn't right.

Now, that close up photo you have posted. The 2nd one. That looked like a penny on the ground. Well, of course not a penny but it may be a part from one of those rovers's crafts or the Vikings or one of our spaceships' part ended up there. It does not look like any of the rovers. Looks more like a part. Remember Mars is now a new junkyard for our crafts and parts shattered all over Mars. Like we have all the space junks around Earth. About 15 thousands of them hurling around the world.

Steinhauer · 02-15-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by UNYTruthHunters

Steinhauer, interesting photos you have! Yeah, the crater.. The one in AZ is like those on Mars and moon and other planets and moons out there if any. The AZ is closely resembled to the ones on Mars. The desert, the way rocks appears after metorite crash to Earth, etc.

You are right about the size. Rovers easily be seen on Mars than spaceship or the 2 story house-sized rock. You just brought up a new mystery or conspircy theory. Something isn't right.

Now, that close up photo you have posted. The 2nd one. That looked like a penny on the ground. Well, of course not a penny but it may be a part from one of those rovers's crafts or the Vikings or one of our spaceships' part ended up there. It does not look like any of the rovers. Looks more like a part. Remember Mars is now a new junkyard for our crafts and parts shattered all over Mars. Like we have all the space junks around Earth. About 15 thousands of them hurling around the world.

The point I was trying to make is that "if" it is the rover lander, or even the parachute - it is a LOT larger in the picture than it actually is in reality. How did that happen? You shouldn't even be able to see that tiny little dot in the lower left corner if that is the rover lander. You can't even see it in a closer view of the crater - why are you able to see it on a photograph taken a lot further away from the crater?

My take - it is NOT the rover lander, whatever it is, is much ..... much too large to be the rover lander.

Maybe it is a smudge in the film, a pixel gone bad or something else. It looks like a floating gold orb as you can see its shadow.

The proprtions are wrong - whatever you see in the bottom left corner is the size of an industrial complex - a golf course - a city block - etc. etc.

**Beowulf** · 02-15-2012, 11:35 AM

Meh. I've seen so many anomalies that I no longer wonder. I know we are not alone.

No point in worrying, though.

**Jiro** · 02-16-2012, 02:35 AM

Steinhauer - this is physics 101. the size of impact would be much larger than the projectile itself depending on trajectory of projectile, ground composition, etc.

A 0.7 miles diameter impact crater in Arizona was created by a 100-feet diameter meteor. that's really insane. so I wouldn't be surprised if a rover can make a huge impact crater like shown in pix if the ground composition made it like that. the physics in another planet is different from earth's physic so I wouldn't be surprised if a rover's impact crater in Earth would be much bigger (or smaller) than in Mars.

it's only "conspiracy theory" when a person does not understand it - no different from people in medieval time using biblical explanations for unexplanation.

Steinhauer · 02-16-2012, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Steinhauer - this is physics 101. the size of impact would be much larger than the projectile itself depending on trajectory of projectile, ground composition, etc.

A 0.7 miles diameter impact crater in Arizona was created by a 100-feet diameter meteor. that's really insane. so I wouldn't be surprised if a rover can make a huge impact crater like shown in pix if the ground composition made it like that. the physics in another planet is different from earth's physic so I wouldn't be surprised if a rover's impact crater in Earth would be much bigger (or smaller) than in Mars.

it's only "conspiracy theory" when a person does not understand it - no different from people in medieval time using biblical explanations for unexplanation.

Jiro - the rover did not make the impact, a meteorite did. What I am trying to say, is that the "penny" you pointed out is supposed to be the rover lander. But .... the rover lander is supposed to only be about 15 feet across. Keep in mind, NASA is claiming that the anamoly is the rover lander (not the heat shield).

I am simply having trouble understanding how a 15 foot structure would appear on that photo (if the crater on Mars is approximately the same size as the one in Arizona).

Not sure if that makes sense - but yeah, I saw the meteorite that caused the impact crater in Arizona. They have it on display in the museum there. It was the size of a sofa pillow at the time of impact. Let me see if I have a picture of it somewhere.

edit: I did a search and the one on display is called the Holsinger meteorite. That was the largest fragment found. Fragments of the meteorite that caused the crater have been found all along the crater's rim.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canyon_Diablo_(meteorite)

**Jiro** · 02-16-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Jiro - the rover did not make the impact, a meteorite did. What I am trying to say, is that the "penny" you pointed out is supposed to be the rover lander. But .... the rover lander is supposed to only be about 15 feet across. Keep in mind, NASA is claiming that the anamoly is the rover lander (not the heat shield).

I am simply having trouble understanding how a 15 foot structure would appear on that photo (if the crater on Mars is approximately the same size as the one in Arizona).

Not sure if that makes sense - but yeah, I saw the meteorite that caused the impact crater in Arizona. They have it on display in the museum there. It was the size of a sofa pillow at the time of impact. Let me see if I have a picture of it somewhere.

edit: I did a search and the one on display is called the Holsinger meteorite. That was the largest fragment found. Fragments of the meteorite that caused the crater have been found all along the crater's rim.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canyon_Diablo_(meteorite)

oh gotcha. good point.

UNYTruthHunters · 02-17-2012, 10:06 AM

You are right. compared to the crater in AZ and the craft, you are very correct, the scale is really off. Shining object. Hmm. maybe there are gold on Mars? Hahaha. Dream on.

Um, could be one of the satelite crashed on Mars or could be one of ours sat dish that crashed but in gold. Good question.

So those theories are thrown out. There are many conspiracy theories have said that in past an alien race from Mars relocated to Earth. Others said that the US Government has teleporters from NJ to Mars and back. A guy name Andrew Biago (sp) who was 5 years old travelled to the Civil War era and his pic was taken back then unknownly to him. Well, he said he knows there is a program and seen it that Americans travel to Mars and back. All secret. Of course, conspiracy theories.

We already debunked years ago the Face of Mars. It was poor quality camera of its day in the 1970's. Now with digitial, sharper and more defined. It was not Face of Mars but merely winds and sun shadow caused it. That is all.

It could be a gold shield fell to Mars from one of the crafts. Gold shields are known for solar collection or shielding. Recall seeing old NASA photographs of spacecrafts ready for launch and you see gold shields?

There was a photograph I saw a couple of years ago or so that one of the rover caught something white on the ground and zoomed in to find it was their white shell heating shield and other things. They knew the projection of the craft landing and it was their shell and all. Got a strong feeling it is our gold shield cloth.

SteveMcGarrett · 02-18-2012, 03:06 AM

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Beowulf Premium Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 10,516	Meh. I've seen so many anomalies that I no longer wonder. I know we are not alone. No point in worrying, though. __________________ .

02-16-2012, 02:35 AM	#26 (permalink)
Jiro Aparecium Deletrius Legil Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The Soprano State Posts: 61,219	Steinhauer - this is physics 101. the size of impact would be much larger than the projectile itself depending on trajectory of projectile, ground composition, etc. A 0.7 miles diameter impact crater in Arizona was created by a 100-feet diameter meteor. that's really insane. so I wouldn't be surprised if a rover can make a huge impact crater like shown in pix if the ground composition made it like that. the physics in another planet is different from earth's physic so I wouldn't be surprised if a rover's impact crater in Earth would be much bigger (or smaller) than in Mars. it's only "conspiracy theory" when a person does not understand it - no different from people in medieval time using biblical explanations for unexplanation. __________________ - Don't forget to buy Jiro's Special Edition Sunglasses for $19.95

02-17-2012, 10:06 AM	#29 (permalink)
UNYTruthHunters Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Liverpool, NY Posts: 125	You are right. compared to the crater in AZ and the craft, you are very correct, the scale is really off. Shining object. Hmm. maybe there are gold on Mars? Hahaha. Dream on. Um, could be one of the satelite crashed on Mars or could be one of ours sat dish that crashed but in gold. Good question. So those theories are thrown out. There are many conspiracy theories have said that in past an alien race from Mars relocated to Earth. Others said that the US Government has teleporters from NJ to Mars and back. A guy name Andrew Biago (sp) who was 5 years old travelled to the Civil War era and his pic was taken back then unknownly to him. Well, he said he knows there is a program and seen it that Americans travel to Mars and back. All secret. Of course, conspiracy theories. We already debunked years ago the Face of Mars. It was poor quality camera of its day in the 1970's. Now with digitial, sharper and more defined. It was not Face of Mars but merely winds and sun shadow caused it. That is all. It could be a gold shield fell to Mars from one of the crafts. Gold shields are known for solar collection or shielding. Recall seeing old NASA photographs of spacecrafts ready for launch and you see gold shields? There was a photograph I saw a couple of years ago or so that one of the rover caught something white on the ground and zoomed in to find it was their white shell heating shield and other things. They knew the projection of the craft landing and it was their shell and all. Got a strong feeling it is our gold shield cloth.

02-18-2012, 03:06 AM	#30 (permalink)
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