7 year old girl abducted from my sisters apartment complex!( Updated 12.5.11) - Page 4

Steinhauer · 12-06-2011, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

simple - spot a white honda and call 911. not that hard.

there is anonymous hotline.

maybe we should let the police do the guesswork.

How many white hondas can you spot on any given day in any given parking lot?

that would create quite a phone bill don't you think?
If the police had not asked for public assistance then sure, let them do the guess work. We both know you got my point and are just trying to create a controversy.

Steinhauer · 12-07-2011, 05:52 AM

The latest in the rumor mill is that it was a river ridge apartment complex employee. Right now, it is just a rumor.

(edit: just read Jaspeth's post - she is right, they think it is a maintenance man. I heard the rumor from my sister).

**Jiro** · 12-07-2011, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

How many white hondas can you spot on any given day in any given parking lot?

what a comical question. You're a funny man with poorly-made jokes, aren't ya? Police is not interested in white honda from a county that is several hours away. They were specifically asking the locals to call them if they know anything about a white honda in a specific location during specific timeframe.

If this happened at my condo in NJ, I certainly wouldn't be calling cop about white honda I see in NYC. I certainly wouldn't be calling cop about white honda that I just saw at grocery lot when a driver is just a frustrated mom carrying shopping bag and crying baby. I wouldn't be calling cop about white honda I just saw passing me when it's some distracted teen girl texting to whoever.

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

that would create quite a phone bill don't you think?

not really. it's business as usual for all missing person cases. perhaps you would like to see how many phone calls NYPD or Newark PD gets and the percentage of all calls they received that is actually useful to their cases.

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

If the police had not asked for public assistance then sure, let them do the guess work. We both know you got my point and are just trying to create a controversy.

no I don't get your point because you don't have any as usual. you seem to think police is not doing their job well and you seem to think you can do a better job than them.

the police has already asked for public assistance and you're just being a fussy whining brat because police did not release a specific information about white honda.

Steinhauer · 12-07-2011, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

what a comical question. You're a funny man with poorly-made jokes, aren't ya? Police is not interested in white honda from a county that is several hours away. They were specifically asking the locals to call them if they know anything about a white honda in a specific location during specific timeframe.

If this happened at my condo in NJ, I certainly wouldn't be calling cop about white honda I see in NYC. I certainly wouldn't be calling cop about white honda that I just saw at grocery lot when a driver is just a frustrated mom carrying shopping bag and crying baby. I wouldn't be calling cop about white honda I just saw passing me when it's some distracted teen girl texting to whoever.

not really. it's business as usual for all missing person cases. perhaps you would like to see how many phone calls NYPD or Newark PD gets and the percentage of all calls they received that is actually useful to their cases.

no I don't get your point because you don't have any as usual. you seem to think police is not doing their job well and you seem to think you can do a better job than them.

the police has already asked for public assistance and you're just being a fussy whining brat because police did not release a specific information about white honda.

Jiro - you are still being intentionally obtuse or maybe ... not intentional. First of all, I never said anything about the police being interested in a white honda from several counties away. I never even said the police were interested in a white honda. I never even implied the police were not doing their job. You are stating all of this to create controversy and make this confrontational - as usual.

I said that a witness reported seeing a "white honda" with the engine running with no one inside of it for nearly an hour within the vicinity where the child went missing. I also said that was not descriptive enough. How many white hondas are there in that apartment complex? I am sure there are more than a few. How many would be in a 1 mile radius? How many would be in the vicinity of the Riverstone Parkway area? The city of Canton?

If it had been descriptive enough, that number would be greatly reduced. Sometimes you like to create controversy to just be an ass. I would make a suggestion but I am sure you will just create even more controversy and become more of an ass - if that is even possible.

Child murders may be "normal" where you are from, but they are not normal here.

**Jiro** · 12-07-2011, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Jiro - you are still being intentionally obtuse or maybe ... not intentional. First of all, I never said anything about the police being interested in a white honda from several counties away. I never even said the police were interested in a white honda. I never even implied the police were not doing their job. You are stating all of this to create controversy and make this confrontational - as usual.

I said that a witness reported seeing a "white honda" with the engine running with no one inside of it for nearly an hour within the vicinity where the child went missing. I also said that was not descriptive enough. How many white hondas are there in that apartment complex? I am sure there are more than a few. How many would be in a 1 mile radius? How many would be in the vicinity of the Riverstone Parkway area? The city of Canton?

If it had been descriptive enough, that number would be greatly reduced. Sometimes you like to create controversy to just be an ass. I would make a suggestion but I am sure you will just create even more controversy and become more of an ass - if that is even possible.

Child murders may be "normal" where you are from, but they are not normal here.

sssssssshhhhhhhhhhhh.......................

**Reba** · 12-07-2011, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

...I said that a witness reported seeing a "white honda" with the engine running with no one inside of it for nearly an hour within the vicinity where the child went missing. I also said that was not descriptive enough. How many white hondas are there in that apartment complex? I am sure there are more than a few. How many would be in a 1 mile radius? How many would be in the vicinity of the Riverstone Parkway area? The city of Canton?

In the Southeast, white cars in general are extremely common because they are perceived to stay cooler in hot weather. Hondas are also extremely common, especially with younger people. White Honda cars include many model years. If that apartment complex is typical, a white Honda is probably not unusual for the area.

Babyblue · 12-07-2011, 07:33 AM

I do hope who ever did this is caught, and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Steinhauer · 12-07-2011, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

In the Southeast, white cars in general are extremely common because they are perceived to stay cooler in hot weather. Hondas are also extremely common, especially with younger people. White Honda cars include many model years. If that apartment complex is typical, a white Honda is probably not unusual for the area.

My neighbor across the street has two white Hondas.

If the reporter had gotten more information from MacFarland (the witness who saw the car running) and was to say, for example, an 80's era white Honda 2 door hatchback, or even, 90's model 4 door sedan - that would have narrowed it down.

If this had been a case of a child abduction, and the person who abducted the child was driving a "white honda", they could have theoretically been several states away or even in Mexico by the time an accurate description of the car was given to the public.

The police ask for public assistance all the time. I would think reporters (the link between the public and the police) should do more accurate and descriptive reporting - not graphic details -

It is those type of details that get fugitives caught. I know you know this Reba, I am just saying it to get it off my chest

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Most people know John Walsh as the dedicated host of America's Most Wanted, the man whose groundbreaking television program has helped take down over 1,050 dangerous fugitives and bring home more than 50 missing children in the past 22 years. But it's not the career he envisioned for himself.

I still remember the first time I saw John Walsh - I was living in Florida when our family saw his plea for help from the public to find his son Adam.

**Reba** · 12-07-2011, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

...I still remember the first time I saw John Walsh - I was living in Florida when our family saw his plea for help from the public to find his son Adam.

Yes, it was heartbreaking. He was on TV that morning being interviewed, and it was after that he got the news about Adam.

Steinhauer · 12-07-2011, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Yes, it was heartbreaking. He was on TV that morning being interviewed, and it was after that he got the news about Adam.

I still remember that - I was about the same age as Adam. A lot of parents bought child leashes after that. My parents sat us kids down and told us to never leave their sight ... ever. A lot of kids were told that after the Adam Walsh incident. It really changed the national mentality.

John Walsh could have faded into the shadows, but he didn't - he made a lifelong pursuit to bring down monsters.

***VamPyroX*** · 12-07-2011, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by shel90

About supervision. I remember back then my parents let me go out riding bikes with my friends around the neighborhood when I was in elementary school so I had to be 7 or 8 at the time. If they removed the other children because the mother let a teenager babysit her daughter, then I dont understand how that can be considered unsupervised?

When I was 7 or 8, I would be riding my bike alone or with friends miles away to places like 7-Eleven or a local community college or some park. I was all over the place.

I guess nowadays, no place is safe any more.

Babyblue · 12-07-2011, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

When I was 7 or 8, I would be riding my bike alone or with friends miles away to places like 7-Eleven or a local community college or some park. I was all over the place.

I guess nowadays, no place is safe any more.

Crimes happened back then too. We just did not have the media frenzie to notify everyone of each horrific crime that is commited. People were less aware of what was going outside of their town.

**Jiro** · 12-07-2011, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

When I was 7 or 8, I would be riding my bike alone or with friends miles away to places like 7-Eleven or a local community college or some park. I was all over the place.

I guess nowadays, no place is safe any more.

it's because nobody knows the name of their neighbors. so sad... where's a community???

**Jiro** · 12-07-2011, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

My neighbor across the street has two white Hondas.

If the reporter had gotten more information from MacFarland (the witness who saw the car running) and was to say, for example, an 80's era white Honda 2 door hatchback, or even, 90's model 4 door sedan - that would have narrowed it down.

If this had been a case of a child abduction, and the person who abducted the child was driving a "white honda", they could have theoretically been several states away or even in Mexico by the time an accurate description of the car was given to the public.

The police ask for public assistance all the time. I would think reporters (the link between the public and the police) should do more accurate and descriptive reporting - not graphic details -

It is those type of details that get fugitives caught. I know you know this Reba, I am just saying it to get it off my chest

AMW | About John Walsh from America's Most Wanted

I still remember the first time I saw John Walsh - I was living in Florida when our family saw his plea for help from the public to find his son Adam.

and that's why no further description was given because it was irrelevant. if there was a case of child abduction where suspect was on the run in vehicle, amber and/or blue alerts will be broadcasted.... and yes with complete detail of vehicle.

in this case, it was not necessary. a poor child was found. since you stated that police never stated that they're interested in locating a white honda, then reporters need to stop playing detective. they should publicize what police stated. period.

Doing so-called detective work on their own and publicizing so-called clues not released by police will just further complicate the case and cause delay because police department hotline will be flooded with useless and irrelevant tips.

rolling7 · 12-07-2011, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

it's because nobody knows the name of their neighbors. so sad... where's a community???

Yes, even National Night Out is not well attended.........and that is with free food and games.

rolling7 · 12-07-2011, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

Crimes happened back then too. We just did not have the media frenzie to notify everyone of each horrific crime that is commited. People were less aware of what was going outside of their town.

You are right. I started following this situation on AD on the 3rd and until yesterday it did not get mention in Houston. Otherwise I don't think without AD I would have known.

VacationGuy234 · 12-07-2011, 08:45 AM

I just saw this thread now, it's a sad story and I hope your sister moves out of that area. In the last news post, the other siblings have been taken into state custody.

Babyblue · 12-07-2011, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by VacationGuy234

I just saw this thread now, it's a sad story and I hope your sister moves out of that area. In the last news post, the other siblings have been taken into state custody.

Why would the sister need to move out of that area? Everytime some one is killed in your area you move?

VacationGuy234 · 12-07-2011, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

Why would the sister need to move out of that area? Everytime some one is killed in your area you move?

Not all areas of a city are the same, there is less crime in some and more crime in others. Yes, all areas are affected by crime. And, yes, it does not mean you will not be affected, but the chance that you or your family will be affected by it varies greatly, to the point of being shot on a street corner, unfortunately.

In my family, my sister-law's sister, still lives in an area of town which is now a drug war zone(unheard of years ago), because she believes that since she grew up there she is safe. In the mean time, she's been mugged twice, that's not rational. Some people grow up in neighborhoods that were once safe and are later unsafe, yet they refuse to leave. While this is admirable, it is naive to thing you cannot be affected.

Just like the weather, crime changes over time.

Babyblue · 12-07-2011, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by VacationGuy234

Not all areas of a city are the same, there is less crime in some and more crime in others. Yes, all areas are affected by crime. And, yes, it does not mean you will not be affected, but the chance that you or your family will be affected by it varies greatly, to the point of being shot on a street corner, unfortunately.

In my family, my sister-law's sister, still lives in an area of town which is now a drug war zone(unheard of years ago), because she believes that since she grew up there she is safe. In the mean time, she's been mugged twice, that's not rational. Some people grow up in neighborhoods that were once safe and are later unsafe, yet they refuse to leave. While this is admirable, it is naive to thing you cannot be affected.

Just like the weather, crime changes over time.

It is not like she is in the smack in the middle of a drug war or high crime area. A child was murdered and it occurs to me it does not seem like it is a common crime in her area. So why would she need to move? It can happen anywhere at anytime to anybody.

rolling7 · 12-07-2011, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

It is not like she is in the smack in the middle of a drug war or high crime area. A child was murdered and it occurs to me it does not seem like it is a common crime in her area. So why would she need to move? It can happen anywhere at anytime to anybody.

Yes it can. I'm seeing this happen in Houston on a weekly basic and it just makes me sick. Houston does have pockets of high crime areas but oftentimes the abductions take place in a "safe" area. I can't count the number of times I've watch news reports and a neighbor says: "That just has not happened in this neighborhood! This only happens elsewhere!"

VacationGuy234 · 12-07-2011, 09:31 AM

Fair enough, your point is taken, but there are certainly places were I would not live.

VacationGuy234 · 12-07-2011, 09:37 AM

If you check the reviews of the apartment complex they are mixed, but it doesn't sound like a nice place to live. Perhaps this is just a one off event?

River Ridge at Canton

another review

http://www.apartmentratings.com/rate...at-Canton.html

Again, more mixed, but this one really caught my eye from March 2011
dead body found in trash compactor

From: -Anonymous-
Date posted: 2/11/2011
Years at this apartment: 2011 - 2011
the criminal activity here is unreal.
the office refuses to help in this matter.
the gate to walk in is always open, they never lock it at night.
a couple months ago several cop cars were near the trash compactor and cops interviewing residents.
the apartments are located less than a mile from the most known drug area in canton, ask any deputy in the area.
there are holes in the fence off the main road and into an unsafe neighborhood next door to the complex.
also, my truck has been hit twice since living here.
it's worth the extra 100 dollars a month to live somewhere where the manager actually cares about resident safety.
the walls are paper thin.
i can hear the people above me using the restroom and music from the neighbors beside me.
nobody cleans up after their dogs.
regretting not paying extra to live next door at heritage!

But what really got me was this reply:
joshjones2121 Date: 02/23/2011 I agree the manager Sherry is a rude woman, and allows convicted sex offenders to live in the community. She doesnt care about the property she only cares about filling the units with whatever trash she can drag in.We should be able to leave things outside and not have to worry about it being stolen becuase they allow convicts to live here. When my lease is up yall kiss asses can have this garbage can you call a community.
Read more: http://www.apartmentratings.com/rate...#ixzz1frjgQSPn

**Jiro** · 12-07-2011, 11:35 AM

ok. sssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhh..............

Babyblue · 12-07-2011, 12:24 PM

Arrest Made in Death of 7-year-old Jorelys Rivera | firstcoastnews.com

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CANTON, Ga. -- The Atlanta Journal-Constitution is reporting that an arrest has been made in the Jorelys Rivera homicide case, citing the Georgia Bureau of investigations.

From the AJC:

GBI investigator Vernon Keenan declined to identify the man, but investigators plan to release more details in the case at a 1:45 p.m. press conference today, Lt. Jay Baker with the Cherokee County Sheriff's Office said.

Town of Canton resident Drew Baucom said earlier today that the abduction, sexual assault and beating death of 7-year-old Jorelys Rivera makes him feel like his home is violated.

Police said the girl was last seen Friday. They believe she was abducted near a playground, taken to a vacant apartment nearby and attacked. She was stabbed and beaten, and her body was dumped in a trash bin.

Investigators have said since her body was found that they believe the killer is someone who lives in the River Ridge apartments or had regular access to them.

Baucom, a 17-year-old, said the crime makes him worried that something similar could happen again.

Associated Press

Steinhauer · 12-07-2011, 01:14 PM

Hopefully the police have the right person. The maintenance worker was arrested.

In case anyone is interested, he is a 20 year old from Brooklyn, New York.

I found him on facebook:

http://www.ajc.com/news/cherokee/man...n-1253596.html

Steel X · 12-07-2011, 01:41 PM

Man, and Christmas is 3 weeks away...I feel really bad for the family, especially the girl who won't be around on Christmas morning. This really ruined their holiday already...

Steinhauer · 12-07-2011, 01:51 PM

His facebook profile picture:

VacationGuy234 · 12-07-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Hopefully the police have the right person. The maintenance worker was arrested.

In case anyone is interested, he is a 20 year old from Brooklyn, New York.

I found him on facebook:

Man, 20, arrested in Jorelys Rivera killing *| ajc.com

Agreed. Good work on the facebook info...

**Reba** · 12-07-2011, 02:35 PM

I'm glad that they found him, and he's off the streets.

12-07-2011, 09:37 AM	#113 (permalink)
VacationGuy234 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 2,800	If you check the reviews of the apartment complex they are mixed, but it doesn't sound like a nice place to live. Perhaps this is just a one off event? River Ridge at Canton another review http://www.apartmentratings.com/rate...at-Canton.html Again, more mixed, but this one really caught my eye from March 2011 dead body found in trash compactor From: -Anonymous- Date posted: 2/11/2011 Years at this apartment: 2011 - 2011 the criminal activity here is unreal. the office refuses to help in this matter. the gate to walk in is always open, they never lock it at night. a couple months ago several cop cars were near the trash compactor and cops interviewing residents. the apartments are located less than a mile from the most known drug area in canton, ask any deputy in the area. there are holes in the fence off the main road and into an unsafe neighborhood next door to the complex. also, my truck has been hit twice since living here. it's worth the extra 100 dollars a month to live somewhere where the manager actually cares about resident safety. the walls are paper thin. i can hear the people above me using the restroom and music from the neighbors beside me. nobody cleans up after their dogs. regretting not paying extra to live next door at heritage! But what really got me was this reply: joshjones2121 Date: 02/23/2011 I agree the manager Sherry is a rude woman, and allows convicted sex offenders to live in the community. She doesnt care about the property she only cares about filling the units with whatever trash she can drag in.We should be able to leave things outside and not have to worry about it being stolen becuase they allow convicts to live here. When my lease is up yall kiss asses can have this garbage can you call a community. Read more: http://www.apartmentratings.com/rate...#ixzz1frjgQSPn Last edited by VacationGuy234; 12-07-2011 at 10:09 AM.

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Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,180	I'm glad that they found him, and he's off the streets. Steinhauer likes this.

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12-07-2011, 05:52 AM	#92 (permalink)
Steinhauer Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 8,191 Blog Entries: 1	The latest in the rumor mill is that it was a river ridge apartment complex employee. Right now, it is just a rumor. (edit: just read Jaspeth's post - she is right, they think it is a maintenance man. I heard the rumor from my sister).

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Babyblue Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 12,001	I do hope who ever did this is caught, and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

12-07-2011, 08:45 AM	#107 (permalink)
VacationGuy234 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 2,800	I just saw this thread now, it's a sad story and I hope your sister moves out of that area. In the last news post, the other siblings have been taken into state custody.

12-07-2011, 09:31 AM	#112 (permalink)
VacationGuy234 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 2,800	Fair enough, your point is taken, but there are certainly places were I would not live.

12-07-2011, 01:14 PM	#116 (permalink)
Steinhauer Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 8,191 Blog Entries: 1	Hopefully the police have the right person. The maintenance worker was arrested. In case anyone is interested, he is a 20 year old from Brooklyn, New York. I found him on facebook: http://www.ajc.com/news/cherokee/man...n-1253596.html

12-07-2011, 01:41 PM	#117 (permalink)
Steel X Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Carolinas/Rochester, NY. Posts: 13,824	Man, and Christmas is 3 weeks away...I feel really bad for the family, especially the girl who won't be around on Christmas morning. This really ruined their holiday already...

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