7 year old girl abducted from my sisters apartment complex!( Updated 12.5.11) - Page 11

**Jiro** · 01-19-2012, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

What you have said is not factual. Blah blah blah - the rubber-glue argument again?

so.... where did you get shoe laces from? and that he killed himself under suicide watch? ALL of your sources have said NO SUCH THING. and what part of my post is incorrect?

can you answer that question instead of bitching around? Like I said - I'm interested in facts and nothing else.

Steinhauer · 01-19-2012, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

so.... where did you get shoe laces from? and that he killed himself under suicide watch? ALL of your sources have said NO SUCH THING. and what part of my post is incorrect?

can you answer that question instead of bitching around? Like I said - I'm interested in facts and nothing else.

Hello - I am not the one "bitching around".

Do us all a favor and just google suicide watch

**Jiro** · 01-19-2012, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Hello - I am not the one "bitching around".

Do us all a favor and just google suicide watch

that didn't answer my question. I'll repeat. it would be greatly appreciated if you can answer these 2 questions with one-word answer

where did you get the part that he hung himself with shoe laces?
where did it say that he killed himself under suicide watch?

Steinhauer · 01-19-2012, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

that didn't answer my question. I'll repeat. yes/no answer will suffice and it would be greatly appreciated if you can answer these 2 questions with one-word answer

where did you get the part that he hung himself with shoe laces?
where did it say that he killed himself under suicide watch?

I have already answered your questions. You are simply talking in circles now. Re-read starting with post #286

Steel X · 01-19-2012, 11:56 PM

I guess he kind of deserves it, but that still won't bring the kid back...so nothing can be done. she's gone and now he's gone too. It's a real ****ed up world we live in.

**Jiro** · 01-19-2012, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

I have already answered your questions. You are simply talking in circles now. Re-read starting with post #286

done. so where did it say in the article that he hung himself with shoe laces? did I miss it?

Steinhauer · 01-20-2012, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

done. so where did it say in the article that he hung himself with shoe laces? did I miss it?

get some sleep Jiro

7 year old girl abducted from my sisters apartment complex!( Updated 12.5.11)

**Jiro** · 01-20-2012, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

get some sleep Jiro

7 year old girl abducted from my sisters apartment complex!( Updated 12.5.11)

this thread is funny to you?

Steinhauer · 01-20-2012, 12:09 AM

Confrontational as usual.

Asking the same exact question over and over again and expecting a different answer each time?

Has google answered your question about shoe laces yet?

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Conditions of suicide watch

People under suicide watch are put into an environment where it would be difficult for them to hurt themselves. In many cases, any dangerous items will be removed from the area, such as sharp objects and some furniture, or they may be placed in a special padded cell, which has nothing outcropping from the walls to provide a place for a ligature to be attached, and with only a drain-grill on the floor. They may be stripped of anything with which they might hurt themselves or use as noose, including shoelaces, belts, neckties,[1] bras,[2] socks, suspenders, other clothing, and bed sheets.[2] Such precautions are taken because people have attempted suicide with those items. In extreme cases the person may be undressed entirely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_watch

**Jiro** · 01-20-2012, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Confrontational as usual.

Asking the same exact question over and over again and expecting a different answer each time?

I was hoping you would start seeing actual facts.

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Has google answered your question about shoe laces yet?

I have not found anything in google search that said Brunn hung himself with shoelaces.

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Suicide watch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

did you miss other parts like....

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They may be stripped of anything with which they might hurt themselves or use as noose, including shoelaces, belts, neckties,[1] bras,[2] socks, suspenders, other clothing, and bed sheets.

Steinhauer · 01-20-2012, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

It doesn't. But Sheriff Roger Garrison told the DoC to put him on suicide watch - they take stuff away from you that you can hang yourself with when put you on suicide watch (your shoe laces being one such item).

I am guessing he was never put on suicide watch and had his shoelaces.

The other question I have is ... where was he able to hang himself from - prison cells are designed to prevent hangings.

7 year old girl abducted from my sisters apartment complex!( Updated 12.5.11)

Buffalo · 01-20-2012, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Confrontational as usual.

Asking the same exact question over and over again and expecting a different answer each time?

Has google answered your question about shoe laces yet?

Suicide watch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry, Steinhauer.... I am with Jiro on this thread. He asked you how did you know it was shoe laces (post # 286). There are many things one can use to hang oneself so how do you know it was the shoe laces the police forgot to take away?

By the way, I don't like how you talked down to Jiro.

**Jiro** · 01-20-2012, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

7 year old girl abducted from my sisters apartment complex!( Updated 12.5.11)

did you forget this too? 7 year old girl abducted from my sisters apartment complex!( Updated 12.5.11)

ALL of your sources have stated that it is UNCLEAR whether or not if Brunn was under suicide watch. I think we both know how it is in Georgia and that police officers took matter into their own hands with this sick scumbag.

Buffalo · 01-20-2012, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

did you forget this too?

7 year old girl abducted from my sisters apartment complex!( Updated 12.5.11)

ALL of your sources have stated that it is UNCLEAR whether or not if Brunn was under suicide watch.

Right, it was not clear that he was on a sucide watch. I wonder if they are being vague on purpose. I know that a child molester/killer doesn't last long in prison - the danger coming from other inmates and the guards as well.

Steinhauer · 01-20-2012, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

did you forget this too? 7 year old girl abducted from my sisters apartment complex!( Updated 12.5.11)

ALL of your sources have stated that it is UNCLEAR whether or not if Brunn was under suicide watch. I think we both know how it is in Georgia and that police officers took matter into their own hands with this sick scumbag.

are you finally able to see the big picture now?

Steinhauer · 01-20-2012, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Buffalo

Right, it was not clear that he was on a sucide watch. I wonder if they are being vague on purpose. I know that a child molester/killer doesn't last long in prison - the danger coming from other inmates and the guards as well.

The first article made it clear Brunn was on suicide watch in the Cherokee County jail (according to his lawyer).

AlleyCat · 01-20-2012, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

The first article made it clear Brunn was on suicide watch in the Cherokee County jail (according to his lawyer).

No it doesn't.

And, wiki, REALLY? For suicide watches even though it has nothing to do with this particular case?

**Reba** · 01-20-2012, 01:25 PM

He used his sweatshirt:

Child-killer hanged himself with sweatshirt *| ajc.com

Steinhauer · 01-20-2012, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AlleyCat

No it doesn't.

And, wiki, REALLY? For suicide watches even though it has nothing to do with this particular case?

Yes it does.

And yes, REALLY, wiki for suicide watches particularly for this case (duh).

Steinhauer · 01-20-2012, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

He used his sweatshirt:

Child-killer hanged himself with sweatshirt *| ajc.com

Which should have been one of the items taken away on a suicide watch.

(I have a feeling his family will sue DoC).

AlleyCat · 01-20-2012, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

The first article made it clear Brunn was on suicide watch in the Cherokee County jail (according to his lawyer).

Can you point me to the specific line that says so? I may not be reading the right article since several were posted.

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

And yes, REALLY, wiki for suicide watches particularly for this case (duh).

Okay.

**Reba** · 01-20-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Which should have been one of the items taken away on a suicide watch.

(I have a feeling his family will sue DoC).

The prison issued the sweatshirt to Brunn.

**Reba** · 01-20-2012, 01:42 PM

In my linked story, it says:

"Cherokee County Sheriff Roger Garrison said Friday that Brunn had been kept under suicide watch for some of the time that he was housed in the county jail."

However, that was before Brunn was transferred to the prison.

Steinhauer · 01-20-2012, 01:52 PM

Cherokee Sheriff: 7-year-old's killer was on suicide watch in jail *| ajc.com

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Cherokee County Sheriff Roger Garrison told Channel 2 Action News on Thursday night that he had asked the DOC for special treatment of Brunn, who was considered a “high risk inmate.”

But Garrison also told the station, a reporting partner of The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, that Brunn had never attempted suicide while being held in the Cherokee Jail.

posted again for convenience

**Jiro** · 01-20-2012, 01:58 PM

Steinhauer - you just don't get it, don't you?

I was right that he hung himself with something else other than shoelaces. I was right that it is STILL UNCLEAR whether or not if he killed himself under suicide watch.

According to Reba's link -

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Ryan Brunn, 20, was being held in a single cell in segregation at the Georgia Diagnostic and Classification Prison in Jackson, but state corrections officials declined to say whether he was under suicide watch while the GBI is investigating the case.

so what are you trying to do in this thread? are you still trying to prove that he hung himself with shoelaces under suicide watch? Please kindly STFU and show some maturity and sensitivity in this thread.

Steinhauer · 01-20-2012, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Steinhauer - you just don't get it, don't you?

I was right that he hung himself with something else other than shoelaces. I was right that it is STILL UNCLEAR whether or not if he killed himself under suicide watch.

According to Reba's link -

so what are you trying to do in this thread? are you still trying to prove that he hung himself with shoelaces under suicide watch? Please kindly STFU and show some maturity and sensitivity in this thread.

Jiro - just go away. Take your circle talking trash rhetoric elsewhere - it does not work on people who are far more intelligent than you.

I never said he hung himself with shoelaces, I asked if they were taken away (duh).

This is the third and last time I will point that out to you:

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**KristinaB** · 01-20-2012, 02:12 PM

Steinhauer: Does this mean, when you say that ALL ITEMS ARE REMOVED FOR SUICIDE WATCH that anything that could be used as a possible means to commit suicide. Well - in that case, he would have to be totally stripped naked and left in a cell that had nothing. Not even a toilet, or "piss-pot" (Excuse me folks), no sink, no bed, no clothing and no food or water. That right there is a violation of a person's civil and human rights. (in my opinion)

I have seen horrible suicide attempts by some of the simplest things left in a cell. A true "suicide watch" would be a cell that has 24/7 video monitoring with a person watching at all times. That, my friend, would drive a sane person totally bonkers.

Steinhauer · 01-20-2012, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KristinaB

Steinhauer: Does this mean, when you say that ALL ITEMS ARE REMOVED FOR SUICIDE WATCH that anything that could be used as a possible means to commit suicide. Well - in that case, he would have to be totally stripped naked and left in a cell that had nothing. Not even a toilet, or "piss-pot" (Excuse me folks), no sink, no bed, no clothing and no food or water. That right there is a violation of a person's civil and human rights. (in my opinion)

I have seen horrible suicide attempts by some of the simplest things left in a cell. A true "suicide watch" would be a cell that has 24/7 video monitoring with a person watching at all times. That, my friend, would drive a sane person totally bonkers.

Yes, on suicide watch they are stripped naked and under video surveillance. A nurse is also usually stationed nearby to keep watch.

There was a prisoner in Texas who hung himself with toilet paper in his cell - that single incident caused a lot of procedures to change.

**Jiro** · 01-20-2012, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Jiro - just go away. Take your circle talking trash rhetoric elsewhere - it does not work on people who are far more intelligent than you.

I never said he hung himself with shoelaces, I asked if they were taken away (duh).

This is the third and last time I will point that out to you:

7 year old girl abducted from my sisters apartment complex!( Updated 12.5.11)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Yes, on suicide watch they are stripped naked and under video surveillance. A nurse is also usually stationed nearby to keep watch.

so are you saying he killed himself under suicide watch?

AlleyCat · 01-20-2012, 02:16 PM

So clearly he wasn't under a suicide watch then.

01-20-2012, 01:42 PM	#323 (permalink)
Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,161	In my linked story, it says: "Cherokee County Sheriff Roger Garrison said Friday that Brunn had been kept under suicide watch for some of the time that he was housed in the county jail." However, that was before Brunn was transferred to the prison. Steinhauer likes this.

01-20-2012, 02:12 PM	#327 (permalink)
KristinaB New SDIT Deacon Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Land of the backstroke Posts: 13,775	Steinhauer: Does this mean, when you say that ALL ITEMS ARE REMOVED FOR SUICIDE WATCH that anything that could be used as a possible means to commit suicide. Well - in that case, he would have to be totally stripped naked and left in a cell that had nothing. Not even a toilet, or "piss-pot" (Excuse me folks), no sink, no bed, no clothing and no food or water. That right there is a violation of a person's civil and human rights. (in my opinion) I have seen horrible suicide attempts by some of the simplest things left in a cell. A true "suicide watch" would be a cell that has 24/7 video monitoring with a person watching at all times. That, my friend, would drive a sane person totally bonkers. __________________ Taking life one day at a time.

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01-19-2012, 11:56 PM	#305 (permalink)
Steel X Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Carolinas/Rochester, NY. Posts: 13,824	I guess he kind of deserves it, but that still won't bring the kid back...so nothing can be done. she's gone and now he's gone too. It's a real ****ed up world we live in.

01-20-2012, 01:25 PM	#318 (permalink)
Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,161	He used his sweatshirt: Child-killer hanged himself with sweatshirt *\| ajc.com

01-20-2012, 02:16 PM	#330 (permalink)
AlleyCat Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my time zone Posts: 10,808	So clearly he wasn't under a suicide watch then.