Ohio man excuted after vulgar last gesture - Page 8

Babyblue · 11-18-2011, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Like I said before - it's very crystal clear to me. If you have a mind of 10 years old and you've killed/raped women or children... you should not be executed because it's against our moral belief.

If you raped and killed women or children because God or some voice commanded you... you should not be executed.

If you have a sick twisted mind who gets off on raping and killing women or children... you should be executed. Sure you may be mentally illed because no sane person would do this heinous crime but it's not on the same level as those with mental retardation/illness.

Psychopath/Sociopath/Serial killers are typically fully-functional people with functioning cognitive skills... that's why they are very dangerous and manipulative. They know right from wrong but they just simply don't care.

Ted Bundy vs Serial Killer with Down Syndrome. c'mon....

Mental illness is a mental illness. No matter the difference. Ted Bundy could not help the way his brain was wired. So why no outcry when he was executed??

Brooks knew right from wrong.. he knew he was going to kill those kids..He even planned it in advance.

See my point? If you do for one you do for all.. not just to pick and choose the type of mental illness.

jillio · 11-18-2011, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

Mental illness is a mental illness. No matter the difference. Ted Bundy could not help the way his brain was wired. So why no outcry when he was executed??

Brooks knew right from wrong.. he knew he was going to kill those kids..He even planned it in advance.

See my point? If you do for one you do for all.. not just to pick and choose the type of mental illness.

I'm sorry, Babyblue, but you are very incorrect in your statement that mental illness is mental illness. There is a great deal of difference in the disorders that can be classified as mental illness. You cannot compare a psychotic illness to a personality disorder in the impact that it has on the individual.

And again, Andrea Yates knew in advance that she was going to kill her children. Yet you excuse her actions due to her psychosis. Brooks suffered the same type of psychosis. Maybe even to a greater degree.

**TXgolfer** · 11-18-2011, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

The information came out AFTER the appeals were denied.

From OP

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Brooks was declared dead at 2:04 p.m., after about 15 minutes of the chemicals flowing. He had no final words.

At 66, Brooks was the 46th, and oldest, Ohioan to be executed since 1999.

Brooks lived nearly 30 years longer than the three sons he murdered in their beds in their East Cleveland home. His victims included Reginald Jr., 17, and Vaughn, 15, and Niarchos, 11.

His execution was delayed from 10 this morning while first a federal judge in Cleveland and then the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled on his mental competency. Brooks’ attorneys decided not to file another attempt with the U.S. Supreme Court, which had rejected an earlier appeal.

jillio · 11-18-2011, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

From OP

Which is why it came down to Kasick.

**TXgolfer** · 11-18-2011, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

I have read statements from his attorneys.

But you are correct. What difference does it make? The State of Ohio illegally executed a mentally ill inmate.

A Federal judge and Federal Appeals court disagree with you

jillio · 11-18-2011, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

A Federal judge and Federal Appeals court disagree with you

The U.S. Supreme Court agrees.

**TXgolfer** · 11-18-2011, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Which is why it came down to Kasick.

Kasich decided a week before.....It came down to the Federal Courts which did have the information.

Gov. John Kasich denies clemency for East Cleveland man scheduled to be executed next week | cleveland.com

**TXgolfer** · 11-18-2011, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

The U.S. Supreme Court agrees.

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State and federal courts rejected attorneys' arguments that Brooks was not mentally competent and that the government hid relevant evidence that could have affected his case. The execution was delayed by more than three hours as attorneys exhausted Brooks' appeals. The U.S. Supreme Court refused Tuesday to halt the execution.

Killer's Hands Clenched In Obscene Gesture During Execution | NBC 4i

rolling7 · 11-18-2011, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

The U.S. Supreme Court agrees.

As usual, you are wrong.

**Cheetah** · 11-18-2011, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

As usual, you are wrong.

How is she wrong?

Beach girl · 11-18-2011, 10:05 PM

See TxGolfer's post: The U.S. Supreme Court refused Tuesday to halt the execution.

**Cheetah** · 11-18-2011, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Beach girl

See TxGolfer's post: The U.S. Supreme Court refused Tuesday to halt the execution.

I thought the supreme court chooses which cases to hear. They have a limited number of cases they can hear. Did they hear this case to decline to hear it? If they decline, the old ruling still applies.

**TXgolfer** · 11-18-2011, 10:47 PM

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2:41 p.m. update: There were three of the victims’ family members and one friend who observed the execution. All of them were wearing t-shirts with the three brothers’ photos on them.

2:21 p.m. update: When asked if he had any final words, Brooks said “No.” Once the warden gave the go-ahead to inject him, Brooks stuck out his middle finger. Those who witnessed the execution gasped. As he slowly went to sleep, his middle finger stayed sticking up.

2:07 p.m. update: Reginald Brooks’ execution was carried out. His time of death was 2:04 p.m.

1:29 p.m. update: All of the witnesses have been called to go to the observation room.

12:11 p.m. update: The execution has been pushed back again, this time to 1:30 p.m.

11:25 a.m. update: The Supreme Court has denied all last minute appeals from Reginald Brooks. He is now set to die by lethal injection at 12:20 p.m.

10:43 a.m. update: The U.S. Supreme Court ruled against Brooks' appeal, but there is still another appeal that has been filed based on a Nov. 4 ruling. That ruling from the U.S. District Court of Northern Ohio was against Brooks, but it was never entered into the docket. Essentially, Brooks’ case will go back to the U.S. Supreme Court again. While this sounds like a lengthy legal process, Brooks could still be executed early Tuesday.

9:45 a.m. update: Ohio prison officials are temporarily delaying the execution Reginald Brooks until federal courts issue their final rulings. Brooks has appeals pending before a federal appeals court in Cincinnati and the U.S. Supreme Court. The 66-year-old was scheduled to die by injection at 10 a.m. Department of Rehabilitation and Correction spokesman Carlo LoParo says officials must wait for the pending legal issues to be resolved before they proceed with the execution.

9:30 a.m. update: The steel lobby door to the Southern Ohio Correctional Facility marked "employees and visitors" was heavy and cold. Inside, a cheerful woman behind a long wooden desk told me to empty my pockets, take off my belt, and remove my suit coat. The metal detector went off anyway, so I removed my shoes. I was officially inside the brick, concrete and steel walls of Lucasville Prison -- population 1,438.

The guard took my station ID and drivers license but let me keep my cell phone. The screen read 7:30 a.m.

NewsChannel5's Dan Haggerty: Witness to execution of Reginald Brooks

**TXgolfer** · 11-19-2011, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

Mental illness is a mental illness. No matter the difference. Ted Bundy could not help the way his brain was wired. So why no outcry when he was executed??

Brooks knew right from wrong.. he knew he was going to kill those kids..He even planned it in advance.

See my point? If you do for one you do for all.. not just to pick and choose the type of mental illness.

That, plus he was smart enough to buy a bus ticket and pack a bag with vital documents to start a new life. No doubt he knew right from wrong. And obviously the Judges believed that as well or they would have stopped the execution..

**Jiro** · 11-19-2011, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

That, plus he was smart enough to buy a bus ticket and pack a bag with vital documents to start a new life. No doubt he knew right from wrong. And obviously the Judges believed that as well or they would have stopped the execution..

that doesn't mean anything.

a person with schizophrenia can function like a normal person and it's just a matter of time till he gets a psychotic breakout or delusional episode.

**Jiro** · 11-19-2011, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

Mental illness is a mental illness. No matter the difference. Ted Bundy could not help the way his brain was wired. So why no outcry when he was executed??

no. if you think differently from me and if it's because you have a history of depression or maybe your frontal lobe is smaller than mine, does this mean you have a mental illness?

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

Brooks knew right from wrong.. he knew he was going to kill those kids..He even planned it in advance.

Maybe I missed it somewhere but did the medical professionals testify that he knew right from wrong?

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

See my point? If you do for one you do for all.. not just to pick and choose the type of mental illness.

doesn't work like that otherwise.... by your logic - we should not have "Degree" such as "Assault in First Degree". All crimes should be treated same with same severity.

Babyblue · 11-19-2011, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

I'm sorry, Babyblue, but you are very incorrect in your statement that mental illness is mental illness. There is a great deal of difference in the disorders that can be classified as mental illness. You cannot compare a psychotic illness to a personality disorder in the impact that it has on the individual.

And again, Andrea Yates knew in advance that she was going to kill her children. Yet you excuse her actions due to her psychosis. Brooks suffered the same type of psychosis. Maybe even to a greater degree.

I never excused Yates actions. That is an incorrect assumption on your part. I stated that she had recorded mental illness prior to the killing. To answer your question to why the court excused her. Not me.

It is still a disorder or illness that one can not help to have.

Babyblue · 11-19-2011, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

no. if you think differently from me and if it's because you have a history of depression or maybe your frontal lobe is smaller than mine, does this mean you have a mental illness?

Depression is a mental illness.. having a defected frontal lobe is a defect, it is a mental illness since they act on impulses.

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doesn't work like that otherwise.... by your logic - we should not have "Degree" such as "Assault in First Degree". All crimes should be treated same with same severity.

Your logic not mine.

Babyblue · 11-19-2011, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

that doesn't mean anything.

a person with schizophrenia can function like a normal person and it's just a matter of time till he gets a psychotic breakout or delusional episode.

He was fine when planning and delusional while killing.... is what you are saying. I doubt that. He knew what he was doing the whole time.

Grummer · 11-19-2011, 06:19 AM

szcho's can not tell from reality and fantasy..just something you have to remember...

**Jiro** · 11-19-2011, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

He was fine when planning and delusional while killing.... is what you are saying. I doubt that. He knew what he was doing the whole time.

did the medical professionals testify that he knew right from wrong?

yizuman · 11-19-2011, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

People have no understanding of the insanity defense. And this is not about the insanity defense to begin with. It is about evidence of his mental state that would have prevented him being sentenced to death that was withheld. It is about that evidence coming to light, and the Governor of the state of Ohio refusing to commute the sentence in light of that evidence. The man was mentally ill when he was executed.

If I had decided to rape you, then started raping your children in front of you and got out a huge blade and cut your child's head off very slowly while you listen to your child screaming as he or she is dying. You will want me dead 100% even while you talk outta your butt against the death penalty.

I love hypocrites that talk crap until it actually happens to them.

Yiz

yizuman · 11-19-2011, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

The U.S. Supreme Court agrees.

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Originally Posted by Beach girl

See TxGolfer's post: The U.S. Supreme Court refused Tuesday to halt the execution.

So much for your hope of the SC agreeing with your stance and they betray you.

Yiz

**Jiro** · 11-19-2011, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by yizuman

If I had decided to rape you, then started raping your children in front of you and got out a huge blade and cut your child's head off very slowly while you listen to your child screaming as he or she is dying. You will want me dead 100% even while you talk outta your butt against the death penalty.

I love hypocrites that talk crap until it actually happens to them.

Yiz

why do you assume that we all share same vile sense of vengeance as you? sounds like you'll fit in just perfectly in Medieval Age.

yizuman · 11-19-2011, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

why do you assume that we all share same vile sense of vengeance as you? sounds like you'll fit in just perfectly in Medieval Age.

Just because you're mentally against it doesn't mean you won't change your mind when I do crap to you and your family right in front of you, the second that happens, you'll want me dead immediately.

So don't talk crap until you actually practice what you preach.

Yiz

**Jiro** · 11-19-2011, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by yizuman

Just because you're mentally against it doesn't mean you won't change your mind when I do crap to you and your family right in front of you, the second that happens, you'll want me dead immediately.

So don't talk crap until you actually practice what you preach.

Yiz

um.... I practice what I preach. That's why I'm against death penalty for this guy and Troy Davis.

If you have a mental retardation (meaning - you have a mind of 10 years old or something) and you murdered my family right in front of me, well I'm bound by my moral sense and my strong belief in Constitution that you should not be executed. It's illegal to execute one with mental retardation so how would that make me feel better? That would make me a murderer too and any normal, sane person with conscience cannot live with that.

I'm sorry that you are incapable of understanding a higher moral standard. If you prefer to believe in what you just told me, then you should have no problem living in Middle East or any third world country. Sounds like you have no problem with chopping off thieves' hands which is a common punishment in those countries or stoning women for their infidelity or shaming your family. You also have no problem shooting a boy for breaking into your house to steal some food.

yizuman · 11-19-2011, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

um.... I practice what I preach. That's why I'm against death penalty for this guy and Troy Davis.

If you have a mental retardation (meaning - you have a mind of 10 years old or something) and you murdered my family right in front of me, well I'm bound by my moral sense and my strong belief in Constitution that you should not be executed. It's illegal to execute one with mental retardation so how would that make me feel better? That would make me a murderer too and any normal, sane person with conscience cannot live with that.

I'm sorry that you are incapable of understanding a higher moral standard. If you prefer to believe in what you just told me, then you should have no problem living in Middle East or any third world country. Sounds like you have no problem with chopping off thieves' hands which is a common punishment in those countries or stoning women for their infidelity or shaming your family.

Yeah yeah, we'll see won't we? I can imagine you standing next to the perp who may douse your daughter in gasoline and lit her up like a Roman candle while you listen to her scream!

"Please Judge, don't do anything bad to this person, after all, he's mentally ill."

No, I bet 10 to 1 you'll be begging the judge to throw the switch.

Yiz

**Jiro** · 11-19-2011, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by yizuman

Yeah yeah, we'll see won't we? I can imagine you standing next to the perp who may douse your daughter in gasoline and lit her up like a Roman candle while you listen to her scream!

"Please Judge, don't do anything bad to this person, after all, he's mentally ill."

No, I bet 10 to 1 you'll be begging the judge to throw the switch.

Yiz

not really. it's illegal for judge to sentence him to death penalty anyway. and my state abolished death penalty already.

beside - when it comes to my own daughter, it would be the perp screaming for mercy. she would know 5 different ways to break your arm. I know only 2.

yizuman · 11-19-2011, 07:48 AM

I remember watching this LIVE on TV as it happened...

Father of Kidnapped Son gets Revenge - YouTube

Fark somebody's kid and he deserves what he's got coming to him.

The Dad got off with 2 years probation.

Yiz

**Jiro** · 11-19-2011, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by yizuman

I remember watching this LIVE on TV as it happened...

Father of Kidnapped Son gets Revenge - YouTube

Fark somebody's kid and he deserves what he's got coming to him.

The Dad got off with 2 years probation.

Yiz

if it were up to me, I'd put him in prison for life without parole and that's me being merciful because I took death penalty off the table when this action is typically an automatic death penalty.

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