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Unread 01-09-2012, 01:55 PM   #121 (permalink)
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what channel was this debate in?
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Unread 01-09-2012, 01:58 PM   #122 (permalink)
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what channel was this debate in?
I think it was on ABC.
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Unread 01-09-2012, 02:47 PM   #123 (permalink)
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Second in minutes behind Romney???? Oh pleeeeease. I saw the whole debate and twice they went to commercial just when Paul was about to speak. *grumbling* It appears that the others had a lot more time speaking than he did, though I didn't have my stopwatch with me at the time.
There were 2 debates over the weekend. The ABC debate Saturday and a debate on NBC Sunday morning.

In the ABC debate, Paul and Santorum were both around 11 minutes (depending on your source). Most say Paul was actually 3rd in minutes but that is still top half.

Of the 3 breaks Paul,Santorum and Perry were the speakers going into break
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Unread 01-09-2012, 02:49 PM   #124 (permalink)
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I think it was on ABC.
You think? You watched it twice.....
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Unread 01-09-2012, 03:10 PM   #125 (permalink)
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You think? You watched it twice.....
I had to google for the answer.
Others were watching the Saturday night show when I arrived home, and I didn't watch the next morning's.
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Unread 01-15-2012, 10:26 AM   #126 (permalink)
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Unread 01-16-2012, 09:58 PM   #127 (permalink)
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Did anyone see the debate? Did you notice how they go to commercial when it is Paul's turn to reply?
You'll be happy to know that on tonight's debate Paul got equal on-air time.

(It was held in Myrtle Beach, SC, and shown live on FoxNews.)
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You'll be happy to know that on tonight's debate Paul got equal on-air time.

(It was held in Myrtle Beach, SC, and shown live on FoxNews.)
Yeah, I saw some of it. By the way, your senator Tom Davis endorses Ron Paul. Davis carries a lot of clout.
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Unread 01-16-2012, 10:42 PM   #129 (permalink)
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You'll be happy to know that on tonight's debate Paul got equal on-air time.

(It was held in Myrtle Beach, SC, and shown live on FoxNews.)
Yes he did.
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Yeah, I saw some of it. By the way, your senator Tom Davis endorses Ron Paul. Davis carries a lot of clout.
Davis is not my Senator; he's in another district. My district Senator is Mike Rose.

I don't know about Davis's clout. He was a Sanford man.
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Davis is not my Senator; he's in another district. My district Senator is Mike Rose.

I don't know about Davis's clout. He was a Sanford man.
My mistake on all counts. Happy now?
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My mistake on all counts. Happy now?
I didn't say you were wrong on all counts.

FoxNews is showing the debate again now on TV, if you want to see it again. Just FYI.
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Unread 01-17-2012, 11:30 AM   #133 (permalink)
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I didn't say you were wrong on all counts.

FoxNews is showing the debate again now on TV, if you want to see it again. Just FYI.
I watched the whole debate and my blood ran cold. It seems that the only way to get elected is to KILL, KILL, KILL. The audience booed Paul for saying that he didn't want us to attack other countires. Uh oh, looks like WWIII coming soon.
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I watched the whole debate and my blood ran cold. It seems that the only way to get elected is to KILL, KILL, KILL. The audience booed Paul for saying that he didn't want us to attack other countires. Uh oh, looks like WWIII coming soon.
Well, consider the audience at the debate. We South Carolinians are a bunch of hoot 'n' holler rednecks after all. He probably didn't get the same reaction to his "Golden Rule" statement in New Hampshire.
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Well, consider the audience at the debate. We South Carolinians are a bunch of hoot 'n' holler rednecks after all. He probably didn't get the same reaction to his "Golden Rule" statement in New Hampshire.
I'm glad SC has at least one cool head.
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Heh hypocrite,

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WASHINGTON (AP) --

Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has been spending large amounts on airfare as a congressman, flying first class on dozens of taxpayer-funded flights to his home state. The practice conflicts with the image that Paul portrays as the only presidential candidate serious about cutting federal spending.

Paul flew first class on at least 31 round-trip flights and 12 one-way flights since May 2009 when he was traveling between Washington and his district in Texas, according to a review by The Associated Press of his congressional office expenses. Four other round-trip tickets and two other one-way tickets purchased during the period were eligible for upgrades to first-class after they were bought, but those upgrades would not be documented in the expense records.

Paul, whose distrust of big government is the centerpiece of his presidential campaign, trusts the more expensive government rate for Continental Airlines when buying his tickets. Paul chose not to buy the cheaper economy tickets at a fraction of the price because they aren't refundable or as flexible for scheduling, his congressional staff said.

"We always get him full refundable tickets since the congressional schedule sometimes changes quickly," said Jeff Deist, Paul's chief of staff. Paul might have to pay out of his own pocket for canceled flights in some cases if he didn't buy refundable tickets, Deist said.

But records show that most of the flights for Paul were purchased well in advance and few schedule changes were necessary. Nearly two-thirds of the 49 tickets were purchased at least two weeks in advance, and 42 percent were bought at least three weeks in advance, the AP's review found.

Paul charged taxpayers nearly $52,000 on the more expensive tickets, or $27,621 more than the average Continental airfare for the flights between Washington and Houston, according to the AP's review of his congressional expenses and average airfares compiled by the Department of Transportation.

The more expensive tickets have other benefits as well, including allowing Paul to upgrade to first class when his staff reserves a flight because his frequent government travel gives him membership in an elite class of Continental customers who earn travel perks. Upgrades to first-class with cheaper fares are possible, at times limited to available seats days before the flight. But those upgrades are not guaranteed and some require ticket changes at the airport, according to the airline's frequent flyer rules.

The AP reviewed congressional travel before the Iowa caucuses for the two members of Congress running at the time — Paul and Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota. Bachmann later ended her presidential campaign.

House records show Bachmann, like most other congressional members, also paid the more expensive government rate for airfare. But her staff would not provide access to more detailed expense records that show when and what type of tickets were purchased.

Paul's congressional staff provided access to all expense records requested.

Congressional members don't have to pay the government rate for travel, but most do, including many like Paul and Bachmann who advocate cuts in federal spending.

"You could almost always beat the government rate," said Steve Ellis, vice president of the Washington-based Taxpayers for Common Sense, a federal budget watchdog group. "They need to be walking the walk, and one of the ways they can do that is to be fiscally responsible for how they spend their member office money."

Jesse Benton, Paul's campaign manager, didn't respond to a written request to explain how Paul's use of more expensive airfare, which allows him to fly first class, corresponds with his commitment to cut federal spending. Instead, he sent a statement that started, "No one is more committed to cutting spending than Dr. Paul."

But Paul's congressional travel conflicts with claims in campaign appearances that he's the most frugal and serious deficit hawk in the race.
Paul fights Washington spending, flies first class

Ron Paul is from Texas, how could he not know about TX based Southwest Airlines and the fact that they never charge a change fee?
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Oh dear, oh dear, I am dismayed...NOT!
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Unread 01-17-2012, 08:57 PM   #139 (permalink)
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How does his spending compare to other Congressmen?
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How does his spending compare to other Congressmen?
I dunno and don't care. It is irrelevant.

"But Paul's congressional travel conflicts with claims in campaign appearances that he's the most frugal and serious deficit hawk in the race."

He still is.
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Unread 01-17-2012, 09:01 PM   #141 (permalink)
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Heh hypocrite,

Paul fights Washington spending, flies first class

Ron Paul is from Texas, how could he not know about TX based Southwest Airlines and the fact that they never charge a change fee?
wow.... that's it??? he's really flying it more modest than me!

Gingrich....
Newt Gingrich’s Private Plane Flights Responsible For Nearly Half Of $1M Debt | TPMDC
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Newt Gingrich’s presidential campaign is over $1 million in debt, nearly half of which — $451,946 — is attributable to his preference for private jets.

That’s how much the Gingrich campaign owes to Moby Dick Airways, the same company he used for flights paid for by his former 527 group, American Solutions. In April, May and June of last year, American Solutions gave $677,539 to Moby Dick Airways.

Adding in the $41,453 and $10,478 payments Gingrich’s campaign already made to Moby Dick in April and May brings the total amount he paid the private plane company over the half-million mark. His list of campaign expenditures includes 30 separate travel-related payments, most of them for thousands of dollars each.
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The Mitt Romney campaign spent nearly $100,000 more on private planes than commercial flights during the third fundraising quarter, according to financial disclosure reports made public today.

The campaign spent $233,911 on three private aviation companies listed in the report as “air travel.” Marquis Jet Partners, described on its website as “the gold standard for private aviation,” was paid more than $135,000 by the campaign.

Commercial airlines didn’t get as big of a payout from the Romney group. Ten different airlines were flown, but cost the campaign far less than the private digs, totaling $134,228.

Southwest Airlines, which was featured in an August tweet by Romney, who thanked his flight crew for an “easy flight,” received $14,212 of Romney’s money.
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The AP reviewed congressional travel before the Iowa caucuses for the two members of Congress running at the time - Paul and Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota. Bachmann later ended her presidential campaign.

House records show Bachmann, like most other congressional members, also paid the more expensive government rate for airfare. But her staff would not provide access to more detailed expense records that show when and what type of tickets were purchased.

Paul's congressional staff provided access to all expense records requested.
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Rick Perry Private Jet Spending Doubles His Rivals'
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Forms filed Saturday with the Federal Election Commission reveal that Perry's campaign spent $276,424.03 on private chartered jets during just six weeks from the August 13 launch of his campaign to the end of September.

That figure is nearly nine times the $33,657.25 his campaign spent on commercial air travel during the same period.

The sum also dwarfs the private jet spending of GOP frontrunner Mitt Romney, who reported $135,083 in private jet expenses during the three months ending September 30. Another high-flyer, Michele Bachmann, spent over $130,000 with D.C.-area based Moby Dick Airways, Ltd.

Perry has positioned himself as a belt-tightening fiscal conservative, and in his 2010 book Fed Up! he railed against lawmakers who "see no problem with spending other people's money."
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How does his spending compare to other Congressmen?
see above. what do you think?
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Good for him. Sitting in economy is torture on long flights, and for someone who has to fly as much as he does, having crummy seating accommodations could place a lot of stress on his job performance.

I find it commendable that he made his all his records fully accessible when requested. If this is the most dirt they can dig up on him, he sure must be a rotten fellow. . . .
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Well done, Mr. Jiro. Well done.
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You are comparing campaign spending to taxpayer spending. *shrug*
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Well done, Mr. Jiro. Well done.
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Good for him. Sitting in economy is torture on long flights, and for someone who has to fly as much as he does, having crummy seating accommodations could place a lot of stress on his job performance.

I find it commendable that he made his all his records fully accessible when requested. If this is the most dirt they can dig up on him, he sure must be a rotten fellow. . . .
I have no problem with first class....I only fly first class in fact. But I do it on my dime.
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You are comparing campaign spending to taxpayer spending. *shrug*
So call it Paul's campaign spending. He has been campaigning quite some time now. *shrug*
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You are comparing campaign spending to taxpayer spending. *shrug*
read more in the articles and you'll see what taxpayers have been paying for them.
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see above. what do you think?
according to one website that got a hold of congressmen's spending in total - not just on flights but everything - Ron Paul was very much in the middle range. Moderate spender.

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