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Beach girl · 11-11-2011, 11:19 AM

I saw on the news this a.m. that McQueary will NOT be at the game on Saturday after all. Good thinking, Penn State. It finally dawned on them that the first guy in the chain who could have done something, but didn't, has no place on the sidelines. Not now, maybe not ever. But certainly not now.

**Cheetah** · 11-11-2011, 01:43 PM

I'm just appalled at this story. How many people does it take to protect a child?? Sure, we should all protect the child... but nothing happens until the first person takes action. If I were that grad student (McQueary?) I'd be really miserable right now.

We ALL have a responsibility to the children.

VacationGuy234 · 11-11-2011, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Beach girl

I saw on the news this a.m. that McQueary will NOT be at the game on Saturday after all. Good thinking, Penn State. It finally dawned on them that the first guy in the chain who could have done something, but didn't, has no place on the sidelines. Not now, maybe not ever. But certainly not now.

To be fair, McQueary is the one who brought it to the universities attention. He told the head coach and university officials as well.

He should have told the police as well, as the other officials should have done.

whatdidyousay! · 11-11-2011, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by VacationGuy234

To be fair, McQueary is the one who brought it to the universities attention. He told the head coach and university officials as well.

He should have told the police as well, as the other officials should have done.

And he did nothing when he said a boy being raped in the shower!

jillio · 11-11-2011, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Beach girl

I saw on the news this a.m. that McQueary will NOT be at the game on Saturday after all. Good thinking, Penn State. It finally dawned on them that the first guy in the chain who could have done something, but didn't, has no place on the sidelines. Not now, maybe not ever. But certainly not now.

I think it had more to do with the threats that have been issued against him if he did than with good thinking.

Funny that they are concerned with protecting him against threats when he did not feel the need to protect children from same.

jillio · 11-11-2011, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheetah

I'm just appalled at this story. How many people does it take to protect a child?? Sure, we should all protect the child... but nothing happens until the first person takes action. If I were that grad student (McQueary?) I'd be really miserable right now.

We ALL have a responsibility to the children.

You know, I think this is all a good demonstration of an entire program ignoring and the university sanctioning ignoring, anything that might cast a bad light on a program that brings money into the university the way football does.

**Cheetah** · 11-11-2011, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by VacationGuy234

To be fair, McQueary is the one who brought it to the universities attention. He told the head coach and university officials as well.

He should have told the police as well, as the other officials should have done.

I think it's too late for him to be patting himself on the back. I think it's important to make the point that doing the minimum required is simply doing too little. He may not be criminally responsible, but he is socially responsible. And this is something he is going to have to live with.

Beach girl · 11-11-2011, 05:02 PM

The strange thing is that since McQueary DID tell Paterno about it, he is now protected, apparently, under "whistleblower" laws. It's not entirely clear to me why he should have this protection but Paterno doesn't, since Paterno also did tell the next guy up in the chain.

So this little itsy-bitsy thing he did, the NEXT DAY, when it was too late to actually help the child in question, might end up protecting his job.

Yuuuucccckkkk.

The Washington Post today printed a time-line of what happened when, so far as is known. What was obvious: in two cases, the mothers of the boys got involved, calling the police, and in one case, the school principal, who then banned Sandusky from having any more contact with children at that school.

Those were the ONLY two cases where anyone actually stood up to protect the kids. Word of warning to moms: you are the last, best hope to protect your kids. Don't look to the men who are running programs to do it; they will protect their programs before they will your kid.

**saywhatkid** · 11-11-2011, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Beach girl

The strange thing is that since McQueary DID tell Paterno about it, he is now protected, apparently, under "whistleblower" laws. It's not entirely clear to me why he should have this protection but Paterno doesn't, since Paterno also did tell the next guy up in the chain.

So this little itsy-bitsy thing he did, the NEXT DAY, when it was too late to actually help the child in question, might end up protecting his job.

Yuuuucccckkkk.

The Washington Post today printed a time-line of what happened when, so far as is known. What was obvious: in two cases, the mothers of the boys got involved, calling the police, and in one case, the school principal, who then banned Sandusky from having any more contact with children at that school.

Those were the ONLY two cases where anyone actually stood up to protect the kids. Word of warning to moms: you are the last, best hope to protect your kids. Don't look to the men who are running programs to do it; they will protect their programs before they will your kid.

If he keeps the job, he better pray for deafness. And always have armor on when he goes out in public.

**Cheetah** · 11-11-2011, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Beach girl

The strange thing is that since McQueary DID tell Paterno about it, he is now protected, apparently, under "whistleblower" laws. It's not entirely clear to me why he should have this protection but Paterno doesn't, since Paterno also did tell the next guy up in the chain.

So this little itsy-bitsy thing he did, the NEXT DAY, when it was too late to actually help the child in question, might end up protecting his job.

Yuuuucccckkkk.

The Washington Post today printed a time-line of what happened when, so far as is known. What was obvious: in two cases, the mothers of the boys got involved, calling the police, and in one case, the school principal, who then banned Sandusky from having any more contact with children at that school.

Those were the ONLY two cases where anyone actually stood up to protect the kids. Word of warning to moms: you are the last, best hope to protect your kids. Don't look to the men who are running programs to do it; they will protect their programs before they will your kid.

The difference is the educator (coach) is legally bound by law to report it. The student does not have a legal obligation to report it to the police. Now, what constitutes a legal report? I'm not sure, but I would guess that it would require the report going to the police.

Obviously I am not a legal consultant (just a computer jockey) so feel free to correct me.

VacationGuy234 · 11-11-2011, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

And he did nothing when he said a boy being raped in the shower!

I agree. I'm not saying anyone is innocent here. McQuery, played for the team, but it wasn't until 2000 that he returned to Penn State as a member of faculty.

I'm guessing, wrongly or rightly, he might have been new to what goes on in college football administration, specifically, at Penn State.

He's been listed as a witness for good reason, again, I'm guessing.

I don't think Mr. McQuery's involvement with this is anywhere near over.

VacationGuy234 · 11-11-2011, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheetah

I think it's too late for him to be patting himself on the back. I think it's important to make the point that doing the minimum required is simply doing too little. He may not be criminally responsible, but he is socially responsible. And this is something he is going to have to live with.

I agree with this...

**shel90** · 11-11-2011, 07:43 PM

All I can say is that this whole thing is a sad reflection on America's culture about putting football over children. I love football it is not worth innocent lives destroyed. Wow.

**TWA** · 11-11-2011, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

All I can say is that this whole thing is a sad reflection on America's culture about putting football over children. I love football it is not worth innocent lives destroyed. Wow.

Exactly. There were so many times they could have nailed this guy, but because of his reputation as a Pennsylvania football god, he was never properly handled.

I read the grand jury report. It's sick and disgusting. This guy was a monster, and he was brazen. So many times people knew something wasn't right, but they just let it go because, well, it was coach Sandusky.

Shame on all Nitwits. It's their pride and ego and false worship in football and demigods that brought this about.

Beach girl · 11-11-2011, 11:03 PM

Sandusky's home has been vandalized.

Report: Vandals attack home of Jerry Sandusky - College Football News | FOX Sports on MSN

Turns out he is next door to an elementary school and playground.

How convenient for him!

Another thing I don't understand: where was his wife all these years? She knew he had young boys sleeping overnight in their basement; she didn't think anything was up with that, when her husband went downstairs for what must have been a fairly long time? She didn't hear anything? He was constantly taking young boys for road trips and putting his hand on their legs in the car. She never went along?

She had to be either the most gullible, naive wife on earth, or she was willfully refusing to acknowledge to herself what her husband was up to.

**Banjo** · 11-11-2011, 11:07 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if Sandusky ends up committing suicide to get out of all this media frenzy. He is facing around 40 counts of charges, basically it all adds up to 480 years in prison.

**TXgolfer** · 11-11-2011, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

I wouldn't be surprised if Sandusky ends up committing suicide to get out of all this media frenzy. He is facing around 40 counts of charges, basically it all adds up to 480 years in prison.

I had the same thought earlier today

**TWA** · 11-11-2011, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

I wouldn't be surprised if Sandusky ends up committing suicide to get out of all this media frenzy. He is facing around 40 counts of charges, basically it all adds up to 480 years in prison.

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

I had the same thought earlier today

Want to make it interesting?

Royale · 11-12-2011, 07:24 AM

Mike McQueary has been put on administrative leave FYI.

The students who protested against the firing of JoePa is nothing but a bunch of negative enablers and disrespect the sexual abuse victims of Sandusky in every way.

rolling7 · 11-12-2011, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

Exactly. There were so many times they could have nailed this guy, but because of his reputation as a Pennsylvania football god, he was never properly handled.

I read the grand jury report. It's sick and disgusting. This guy was a monster, and he was brazen. So many times people knew something wasn't right, but they just let it go because, well, it was coach Sandusky.

Shame on all Nitwits. It's their pride and ego and false worship in football and demigods that brought this about.

Please, please share. How did you get to read the grand jury report?
In Texas, you really have to be up-there to be able read it. So I'm just asking how.

Royale · 11-12-2011, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by VacationGuy234

I didn't even know about hte Pete Carroll scandal. I'm going to have to read up on it.

The illegal actions of Reggie Bush and his family basically brought down his USC team and it led to stripping of their NCAA championship trophy and his Heisman Trophy.

Royale · 11-12-2011, 07:35 AM

Madden: Possible Sandusky 'pimped out kids'

If it is proven true, it is sickening me much farther.

Royale · 11-12-2011, 07:37 AM

Texas authorities are investigating in the case of Sandusky child sex abuse.

Sandusky may face sex abuse charges in Texas - TODAY News - TODAY.com

**saywhatkid** · 11-12-2011, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

Please, please share. How did you get to read the grand jury report?
In Texas, you really have to be up-there to be able read it. So I'm just asking how.

From The Smoking Gun website. Here is a brief article:

Joe Paterno Vows To Pray For "Poor Victims." Boys Raped In Showers Would Have Preferred Call To Cops 10 Years Ago. | The Smoking Gun

Embedded is a link to the report. If you have Adobe:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/r...ygrangjury.pdf

VacationGuy234 · 11-12-2011, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

Please, please share. How did you get to read the grand jury report?
In Texas, you really have to be up-there to be able read it. So I'm just asking how.

It's posted on the CNN site. You should also be able to get it from Scribd

Scribde is a powerful site that has access to legal documents.

CNN does have a disclaimer that the document is graphic and rightly so.

**TWA** · 11-12-2011, 01:15 PM

I keep seeing these ridiculous comments from right-wingers around FB and the blogosphere saying that the reason Sandusky was allowed to get away with this for so long is because "he was gay and you can't say anything bad about gay people." Don't mind the fact that Sandusky was married with five kids. Some of the more extremists take it even further to blame this on democrats and "liberal tolerance."

This is absolutely the biggest load of BS I've ever heard. Absolutely disgusting what the moral high-horsers are willing to say.

I am glad our conservative ADer friends have not taken to this road of accusations.

**Reba** · 11-12-2011, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

I keep seeing these ridiculous comments from right-wingers around FB and the blogosphere saying that the reason Sandusky was allowed to get away with this for so long is because "he was gay and you can't say anything bad about gay people." Don't mind the fact that Sandusky was married with five kids. Some of the more extremists take it even further to blame this on democrats and "liberal tolerance."

This is absolutely the biggest load of BS I've ever heard. Absolutely disgusting what the moral high-horsers are willing to say.

I am glad our conservative ADer friends have not taken to this road of accusations.

Your post is the first and only place that I've heard about that angle.

**saywhatkid** · 11-12-2011, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Your post is the first and only place that I've heard about that angle.

Agreed. I steer clear of places where those kind of view proliferate.

**TWA** · 11-12-2011, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Your post is the first and only place that I've heard about that angle.

Good. Let's keep it that way.

**saywhatkid** · 11-12-2011, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

Good. Let's keep it that way.

The Liberals need you over on the OWS threads.

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Cheetah Cheetah Consulting-Closed Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,694	I'm just appalled at this story. How many people does it take to protect a child?? Sure, we should all protect the child... but nothing happens until the first person takes action. If I were that grad student (McQueary?) I'd be really miserable right now. We ALL have a responsibility to the children. jillio and deafskeptic like this.

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shel90 Let It Snow!!!! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: A place where crabs are popular Posts: 40,271 Blog Entries: 3	All I can say is that this whole thing is a sad reflection on America's culture about putting football over children. I love football it is not worth innocent lives destroyed. Wow. jillio, deafskeptic, TWA and 1 others like this. __________________ "Wine improves with age. The older I get, the better I like it." --- Anonymous

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Royale Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: World's Second Coldest Capital City! Posts: 4,412	Mike McQueary has been put on administrative leave FYI. The students who protested against the firing of JoePa is nothing but a bunch of negative enablers and disrespect the sexual abuse victims of Sandusky in every way. jillio likes this.

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TWA Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,374	I keep seeing these ridiculous comments from right-wingers around FB and the blogosphere saying that the reason Sandusky was allowed to get away with this for so long is because "he was gay and you can't say anything bad about gay people." Don't mind the fact that Sandusky was married with five kids. Some of the more extremists take it even further to blame this on democrats and "liberal tolerance." This is absolutely the biggest load of BS I've ever heard. Absolutely disgusting what the moral high-horsers are willing to say. I am glad our conservative ADer friends have not taken to this road of accusations. jillio and shel90 like this.

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11-11-2011, 11:19 AM	#151 (permalink)
Beach girl Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: northern Virginia in winter; NC in summer Posts: 3,760	I saw on the news this a.m. that McQueary will NOT be at the game on Saturday after all. Good thinking, Penn State. It finally dawned on them that the first guy in the chain who could have done something, but didn't, has no place on the sidelines. Not now, maybe not ever. But certainly not now.

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11-11-2011, 05:02 PM	#158 (permalink)
Beach girl Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: northern Virginia in winter; NC in summer Posts: 3,760	The strange thing is that since McQueary DID tell Paterno about it, he is now protected, apparently, under "whistleblower" laws. It's not entirely clear to me why he should have this protection but Paterno doesn't, since Paterno also did tell the next guy up in the chain. So this little itsy-bitsy thing he did, the NEXT DAY, when it was too late to actually help the child in question, might end up protecting his job. Yuuuucccckkkk. The Washington Post today printed a time-line of what happened when, so far as is known. What was obvious: in two cases, the mothers of the boys got involved, calling the police, and in one case, the school principal, who then banned Sandusky from having any more contact with children at that school. Those were the ONLY two cases where anyone actually stood up to protect the kids. Word of warning to moms: you are the last, best hope to protect your kids. Don't look to the men who are running programs to do it; they will protect their programs before they will your kid.

11-11-2011, 11:03 PM	#165 (permalink)
Beach girl Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: northern Virginia in winter; NC in summer Posts: 3,760	Sandusky's home has been vandalized. Report: Vandals attack home of Jerry Sandusky - College Football News \| FOX Sports on MSN Turns out he is next door to an elementary school and playground. How convenient for him! Another thing I don't understand: where was his wife all these years? She knew he had young boys sleeping overnight in their basement; she didn't think anything was up with that, when her husband went downstairs for what must have been a fairly long time? She didn't hear anything? He was constantly taking young boys for road trips and putting his hand on their legs in the car. She never went along? She had to be either the most gullible, naive wife on earth, or she was willfully refusing to acknowledge to herself what her husband was up to.

11-11-2011, 11:07 PM	#166 (permalink)
Banjo Expelled Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 11,650	I wouldn't be surprised if Sandusky ends up committing suicide to get out of all this media frenzy. He is facing around 40 counts of charges, basically it all adds up to 480 years in prison.

11-12-2011, 07:35 AM	#172 (permalink)
Royale Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: World's Second Coldest Capital City! Posts: 4,412	Madden: Possible Sandusky 'pimped out kids' If it is proven true, it is sickening me much farther.

11-12-2011, 07:37 AM	#173 (permalink)
Royale Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: World's Second Coldest Capital City! Posts: 4,412	Texas authorities are investigating in the case of Sandusky child sex abuse. Sandusky may face sex abuse charges in Texas - TODAY News - TODAY.com