souggy

Although Hitler publicly declared himself an atheist, he had an obsession with Christian occultism.

The occult can be just as potentially dangerous as fundamentalism.

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souggy

The suicide vest was invented by a Hindu fundamentalist group, no? Sort of ironic considering a lot of people think Muslims came up with the concept-- and considering the reason for the divide between India and Pakistan.

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souggy

That's because Norwegians believe people don't habitually re-offend if treated humanely. Hell, they refuse to hand back foreign criminals back to their countries in the name of human rights.

I know he killed so many people, however us North Americans have no say in how they apply their laws.

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souggy

Wrong.

It has very little to do with gun control. Most people in Norway owns a gun. Why? They believe it's their right to hunt.

The thing is, no one ever thought someone would use a historical asset in taking grouses, bears and moose as a weapon against the public; so no one really thought they should carry one with them during the off-seasons. For the most part, their history has been void of violence, so people learned to trust each others.

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deafskeptic

Hmm.. that's something I hadn't known.

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LakeTahoe

This is Diehardbiker

Re check the gun law there. I did read, if (guns) were not used in hunting or sporting game, then it is required to lock and put away. That is what normal civilians would required. There is no hunting or shooting sporting going on there on that island so therefore all guns are required to lock and put away. That is a gun control that fails.

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Daredevel7

I think the discussions about Norway's shooting are perfect examples of a type of person using an event to further their viewpoint/agenda.

The religious person: "It's not fair that they called the shooter a fundamentalist Christian. It is incorrect. He is NOT one and the media is trying to make Christianity/religion look bad!"

The anti-religion person: "See what religion does to people?"

The liberal person: "Now the conservatives know what it will be like to have someone of your religion/type do something bad and people blame it on the whole group. This is exactly what happened to Muslims."

The gun lover: "If only everyone had a gun, this wouldn't happen. Everyone would be safe. It's that simple."

The gun hater: "If only everyone was (were?) banned to have guns, this wouldn't happen. Everyone would be safe. It's that simple."

posts from hell

Just did the math, the deaths amount up to almost twice as 9/11 deaths per captia.

And you guys who scream for the death penalty are the problem of America.

There's a reason (actually several) countries like France, Denmark, Sweden, and Ireland has a murder rate 1/5th of the USA, and Norway at almost 1/10th of ours. (Spain, Greece, Germany, Switzerland are in between of 1/5-1/10th)

Now Diehardbiker.. This is 1 person. Its not a failed gun control.

NOWWWWWWWWWWW Let me show you guys a Norwegian prison so you guys can have something else to be "mad at"....





This is a prisoner:


Enjoy.

Don't believe me??? Look up Bastoy Prison.

Reba

There's an oxymoron--"Christian occultism."

If a person practices the occult, he's not a Christian.

If a person is a Christian, he doesn't get involved with occult practices.

The Bible condemns occultism.

Reba

That's for the Norwegians to deal with, not us. As long as the killer isn't allowed into America after his 21 years (or whatever sentence) is over, we don't have any say about it.

posts from hell

I wouldn't mind letting him be here.

You see, that IS the problem I am referring to. Once a person served, he's forever a criminal here even though they've served their time. Then they are forced to reoffend, thanks to the likes of that thought path.

diehardbiker

Of course, it is not fool proof. My point is that if there is least restrictive gun controls, then the idiot like this guy may not be able to achieve as much death as he did if the guns were allowed. There is no such thing as fool proof security.

And yes your right about USA has the highest prison population, this proves that USA laws has failed to serve its purpose.

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diehardbiker

Yup I can see it crystal clear, once convicted and put in record, then the opportunites becomes very limited, which makes it alot easier for them to re-offend. Limited opportunity to earn living after prison life which makes it harder to pay bills and other expenses, so it is alot easier for them just go back to prison and not worry about paying bills. That is the real problem.

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Daredevel7

I agree with you..... up to a point. This crime was too heinous and massive to allow for rehabilitation. It would be hard even for Norwegians to feel that everything is fine and peachy around this guy after he serves his time.

Royale

I just learned that he could be out on weekend paroles after seven years.

Jiro

not interested

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jillio

Catholics are liberals?
You seriously need to study some religious history.

jillio

I am not certain exactly how Norway handles cases of people who are shown to be acting out of a psychosis, but since they appear to be more humane that the States, I would say that he will be spending his time in a mental hospital until he can be shown to be no longer a threat to himself or others. That means that he will be under the state ordered care of a mental hospital quite a bit longer than if he were sentenced to a specific sentence in prison. People who act out and committ acts such as this don't have a very good prognosis for any kind of recovery.

jillio

Amazing, isn't it?

jillio

Could be. But that is speculation that doesn't consider all the particulars that will be involved with the sentencing in this particular case.

jillio

Gun control really doesn't have effect on crimes like this, or on murder rates in general.

jillio

Insanity is going to come into play on this case. It will affect sentencing, although being in Norway, I am not that well versed on exactly how it will mediate sentencing, etc. But you can bet your boots it will be an issue.

jillio

Right. Our justice system is rehabilitative in name only. In practice, it is punitive, and the effects of that last a lifetime. For both the criminal and society.

jillio

And they have one of the lowest recidivism rates in the world. Just because of the way they handle their penal institutions and justice system.

jillio

Gun control is an issue that people consistently use as a way to reduce violent crime, yet it has virtually no correlation to crimes of this nature, or murder statistics in general. Murder rates are not reduced by gun control, nor are violent crimes in general.

Jiro

correct. look at Arizona shooting and Senator Giffords was shot in the head. This happened in.... gun-friendly state.

why would people be packing some heat to a youth camp on some island? Even if I live in gun-friendly state like Arizona or Texas, I wouldn't be carrying firearm all the time.

It is fine for people to assume that some of us are armed which can serve as a deterrent but I don't think it's healthy to assume that one day... some lunatic is gonna open fire on us.

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jillio

Wow! Thanks for doing the math on that one! It doesn't surprise me in the least, however.

jillio

No it isn't. That is what leads to innocent people being killed as a result of paranoia.

And the fact of the matter, the person executing the attack has the advantage because of the element of surprise. Before it registers what is actually happening, many people are already dead.

Jiro

and chance is - a legally-armed citizen would be mistakenly shot by police.

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jillio

Right.