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Photos show three dead men at bin Laden raid house

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Steinhauer

Someone somewhere is going to claim they Saw OBL at Graceland with Elvis

I just don't foresee any $$$ in parachuting OBL impersonators in Vegas though.

StSapphire

It's not so much about "deserving" it, or even about respecting him as a person whatsoever. It's merely an example we did to show the other countries over there that we're not trying to instigate them or spark a "holy war" or any other similar hogwash.

I'd agree that it shouldn't really be needed for us to show that (ie it should be self-explanatory that we're just going after a very bad person who is a direct enemy of our country), but the fact that we were willing to even give thought to the "proper" form of burial is a step in the direction of stopping future jihadists from having yet another excuse to say "OH LOOK AT THAT EVIL AMERICA". Will it help? Will it have any effect whatsoever? I dunno. Maybe, maybe not. But the fact that we were even willing to try does scores for improving our image to the rest of the world, which is a very good thing.

Glenn

I should think taking out a terrorist would improve our image for the rest of the world.

Giving thought to the proper Muslim burial won't matter an iota to extremists because they aren't rational people. They only want to see America's downfall.

This is just my opinion. The decision to give OBL a proper Muslim burial was made by others who probably know more about the ins and outs of the situation than I do.

Jiro

The people are the one who have power to combat against terrorists, not government or military. Terrorist groups exist to feed on people's hatred and to do what they couldn't do.

Win their hearts and minds.... then we can win against Al Queda without even having to engage in costly, bloody war like Vietnam War.

Sun Tzu - "The best victory is when the opponent surrenders of its own accord before there are any actual hostilities...It is best to win without fighting."

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Reba

Only in those parts of the world where terrorists are considered the bad guys.

Beowulf

A Muslim friend once told me that only Americans think that bombing without regard to collateral damage is not terrorism. Somehow she's got a point.

Glenn

Good point. I don't claim I know everything about anything.

Reba

How do you win the hearts and minds of people who have an opposing world view?

StSapphire

The rest of the world isn't nearly as obsessed with terrorism as the US currently is, nor would they all necessarily agree on who is a terrorist.

We're not aiming for the current terrorists. You're right. They're beyond help. We're trying to get the more moderate people, who might somewhat sympathise with the terrorists' leanings if they see a US that completely disregards and degrades their culture.

Reba

Just because collateral damage happens doesn't mean Americans have no regard for the casualties.

What does your Muslim friend say about Muslims who intentionally target civilians to get the maximum casualty count?

Beowulf

She abhors it. She also abhors the prevalence of drones dropping bombs into car convoys to take out one or two terrorists.

Jiro

hence "Disproportionate Use of Force"

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Beowulf

And cluster bombs.

Reba

If the allies didn't have to worry about IED's they wouldn't have to depend so much on drones.

Which came first? The terror attack or the attack on the terrorists?

Beowulf

Tsk tsk. You mean the inside job of 9-11?

Glenn

The rest of the world hasn't been targeted the same ways. And even if they were, do they have the means to do what the US has done? What defines the US as "obsessed" as you put it? That we had an agenda to seek retribution for the thousands killed in the 9-11 attack and the other atrocities perpetuated against us by OBL?

Reba

No. There was no inside job. I mean the Islamic terrorists who've been attacking the USA and our allies for decades. Of course, the 9/11 attack was the worst.

Jiro

For starter, we'll have to stop using "Disproportionate Use of Force"... because collateral damage breeds more terrorists. I believe a significant portion of fighters in terrorist groups do not believe in nor care about the terrorist group's agenda. They are neither political nor religious. They are just a bunch of simple commoners with moms, dads, brothers, sisters, daughters, sons, etc.

Now if we keep using disproportionate use of force... a common enemy is all they have in common with "real" terrorists and the terrorist group is there to facilitate whatever they need to get their revenge on.

Look at Israel. How's it going so far? It's been what? over 20 years? I'm still wondering when will they realize "enough is enough"?

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Beowulf

There is overwhelming evidence it was.

Jiro

ssssshhhhh........

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Beowulf

Okay, dude, I hear ya.
I just HAD to speak up, but will stop now.

Jiro

our action was far far far greater than their action. that has been my issue for a while. It's unbelievable that we've spent trillions of dollars so far just to find Osama bin Laden....

If we keep doing like this for terrible terrorist attacks on our soil.... then this is how we will have our downfall... Europeans know better not to response in that kind of manner because... I mean of course... learning from two World Wars and some...

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Reba

Suppose they view that as weakness?

We didn't attack them full force at the beginning, in fact, we hardly did anything in return. Yet, they increased the terrorism. How do you explain that?

What's been over 20 years?

Jiro

increased terrorism? Forgive me but can you list a few incidents?

Israel-Palestine (and Arabs) conflict

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Reba

Does President Obama know that?

StSapphire

Sure they have. Plenty of other countries have been the victims of terrorist attacks, without declaring a worldwide "war on terror". The wide-reaching an vague "war on terror" is what I mean by "obsessed", just as the "war on drugs" previously is/was.

The worldwide implications of what's been done in the name of the "war on terror" (which largely had very little to do with 9/11, other than as a "go to war free" pass). In the current moment, yes, most of the world agrees that we are and were justified in bringing OBL to justice. But the damage to our worldwide reputation had been done a while ago, and taking steps to repair it is still a good thing.

What. Seriously? That's just plain silly.

StSapphire

Yep, and he also knows about the aliens hiding in Roswell and where Elvis is currently living.

Reba

The wars weren't just to find OBL.

What did the Europeans learn from two world wars? Wait for the Americans to pull their bacon out of the fire?

Reba

Look at the terrorism time line since the 1960's up to 9/11.


That's been way more than 20 years.