TXgolfer

This has nothing to do with obamacare.......yet. But I said way back when that the mandate on businesses was silly because the cost will just get passed on to the consumer.

Well I ate in San Francisco alot this past weekend. I normally don't pay too much attention to the bill but today I knew my food purchase was a whole dollar amount before tax. $20 to be exact. The bill came and the total was $22.77....wait a second....that is almost 14% tax! Upon further inspection the sales tax was 9.85%.....The city health care fund surcharge was 4%. I just googled it and apparently it has been going on for a couple years and I just noticed it.

In San Francisco, Health Care Shows Up on Restaurant Bills - Health Blog - WSJ

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Miss-Delectable

Interesting.

Will pay attention to the bill when I am over there.

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TheOracle

Um...how is this different than shopping in a district that has a voter approved sales tax for schools?

What's 'trickle down' about this?

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Jiro

very different. You just answered your own question.

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TheOracle

I'm asking how this is trickle-down.

Trickle-down economics has nothing to do with local taxes that help support certain programs.

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Jiro

1. S.F. has a health-care mandate that requires businesses to offer health insurance to employees or pay a fee to the city to fund health care.
2. In order to pay for it, restaurants are making us (customers) to pay for it
3. What restaurants doing (in other word... trickling down to customers) is illegal - IMO. U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit will rule on it later this month and I believe they will rule that restaurants cannot charge a fee to customers to pay for health care.

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TheOracle

Passing on costs is not the same as trickle-down economics!

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TXgolfer

Can you please show where the phrase "trickle-down economics" was used?

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TXgolfer

A) It's a business imposed surcharge.....not a tax
B) Not voter approved
C) 4% as opposed to 1/2% (a normal tax hike)

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saywhatkid

Well, seems that the 4% surcharge/fee is a better deal for the businesses. Any costs, regardless of the source, are passed down to the user/consumer/customer. Profits are always required to grow a business.

Now, about those business owners that take a salary equal to 1000 of their workers because they feel entitled to it, regardless of the company's financial health....

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Beowulf

"This has nothing to do with obamacare...yet."

Hoo boy, here we go...

TXgolfer

Yeah well. It's theory in action. Obviously businesses will have to account for the costs of the obamacare mandate as well when they are fully realized.

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StSapphire

Hm, that is trickling on down. I can smell the faint aroma of ammonia, and it's a lovely golden color. Thank you, oh most gracious capitalism, for bestowing upon us the generosity of what you deem appropriate to "trickle down" to us lowly and unworthy plebeians.

Beowulf

Oh boo hoo. Only those businesses with over 60 employees will have to face it. They will find a way to afford it and everyone will be so danged thrilled and healthier.

jillio

Exactly.

saywhatkid

I believe this is somewhat related to trickle-down economics, but a reversal of it. "Theory in action" is a very apt description.

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Beowulf

Huh? I don't see theory in action. I see the effects of local tax increases.

jillio

Those loosely formed connections always seem to pop up in threads on these topics. No relation or correlation at all, but people will go out of their way to try to make associations. We just see soooo much more of it when people think they can effectively come up with a negative portrayal of anything Obama. Twisting evidence to suit the judgement.

saywhatkid

Well, trickle down is a term meaning stuff trickles down on the bottom.

It means that tax breaks for the wealthy should generate money that trickles down to the lower part of the economic food chain. The problem now is that the people being fed this trickle down money often live in Asia or Mexico, while the CEO of a large company enjoys the finer things in life, his company changes address to Bermuda to avoid taxes and enable the CEO to keep his inflated salary, and the rest of the country struggles to find a decent job.

In effect, this fee is a trickle down thing as well. The owner ain't paying this; we are. The insurance fees are trickling down.

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Beowulf

I know what trickle down economics is. It is simply voodoo economics and has been proven time and again not to work.

jillio

I refer to it as the "shit runs downhill theory."

rolling7

Think you can teach Obama this fact?

saywhatkid

I felt that StSapphire's comment, quoted above, described it very well. However, it failed to mention the warm temperature as it showered down.

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saywhatkid

Tell me again how this relates to insurance fee mandates in SF...

Think you can find anything to say that is not derogatory towards non-Conservatives, regardless of whether you can substantiate your claims?

I didn't think so.

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TXgolfer

So we agree...

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TXgolfer

But wait.... You said "exactly". To "any costs....". Are you suggesting the obamacare mandate on businesses will somehow NOT cost businesses money???? Where will businesses get the free insurance??? I wouldn't mind having some of that myself.

You already agree businesses will pass the cost on to consumers....what about businesses that cater to poor consumers???

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saywhatkid

I think you know the answers to this. The CEO is still gonna require/demand an automatic 20% salary increase annually as well. Who covers this? Usually it is a combination of increased prices passed down to the consumer, along with reduced payroll costs; that usually mean fewer American citizens as part of the workforce. The bottom line is that greed on both sides causes action - reaction. You want a pay raise? I am somehow gonna reduce the labor costs anyway. Say goodbye to half your coworkers.

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jillio

If you don't know the answers to these questions, then you are not as well informed regarding the specifics of the health care reform package as you would have us believe you are.

jillio

Not to mention the fact that businesses are already paying for increased health care costs that are the result of the uninsured through increasing cost of premiums for their employees. That is why they keep going to worse and worse coverage in an attempt to cut their cost.

Beowulf

The Supreme Court will not hear the Virginia lawsuit until summer of 2012 and I have already been driven insane by the constant choruses of whines.