8.9 quake in Japan triggers massive tsunamis - Page 9

whatdidyousay! · 03-15-2011, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

the scumbags of America has a LOT to learn from the people in Japan. They should feel small themselves for looting the stores in the aftermath of Katrina. Such SHAME!

The people in New Orleans where left to dies on the streets! The government did not take care of their people! It was the government that should be shamed! Michael Brown from FEMA was a joke! You're forgetting how horrible FEMA was in getting food to people in New Orleans !

***~SG~*** · 03-15-2011, 09:11 PM

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**TXgolfer** · 03-15-2011, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

The people in New Orleans where left to dies on the streets! The government did not take care of their people! It was the government that should be shamed! Michael Brown from FEMA was a joke! You're forgetting how horrible FEMA was in getting food to people in New Orleans !

Umm....I was there ok.....and you have it completely wrong. 1st of all If you want to blame politicians you can start with Mayor Nagin and the state for poor planning and prep. Then you can blame Governor Blanco for The whole National Guard fiasco.

But the truth is the looin' and shootin' started the very first night. I know because I sat there with 2 boats ready to go into the water but was stopped by local LEOs because it was too dangerous. I have posted this many times.....people died in New Orleans because opportunist scumbags were looting and shooting which kept people from getting to the people that needed help.

Shel is 100% correct the difference between Japan and the US is ridiculous.

**TXgolfer** · 03-15-2011, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

I was watching CNN while working out...they were talking about how there was no looting in Japan and they posted email comments from the public. Whoa at some of the comments regarding the people who looted during Katrina. I gotta agree with all of them.

I saw the videos...amazing what water can do.

Happy Anniversary, Botts!

I was watching CNN at the gym as well.

they are the opposite of chaos. They are waiting in line for hours and only taking what they need when they get there. I haven't heard but I bet price gouging is rare there too. That is never the case here.

posts from hell · 03-15-2011, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

I was watching CNN at the gym as well.

they are the opposite of chaos. They are waiting in line for hours and only taking what they need when they get there. I haven't heard but I bet price gouging is rare there too. That is never the case here.

$35/hr in New Orelans for sheetrock workers... Hilarious.

**TXgolfer** · 03-15-2011, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

$35/hr in New Orelans for sheetrock workers... Hilarious.

Yep...and they didn't even have tools or a truck

posts from hell · 03-15-2011, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Yep...and they didn't even have tools or a truck

Jeez. Did you end up having to hire a couple of them?

**TXgolfer** · 03-15-2011, 10:08 PM

Rarely.... And never paid that much but paid way too much. In the begenning there was a much lack of labor. I saw women who looked like they had never broken a sweat before picking up debris

**Bottesini** · 03-15-2011, 10:17 PM

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By ERIC TALMADGE and SHINO YUASA, Associated Press – 8 mins ago
FUKUSHIMA, Japan – Japan suspended operations to prevent a stricken nuclear plant from melting down Wednesday after a surge in radiation made it too dangerous for workers to remain at the facility.
Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said work on dousing reactors with water was disrupted by the need to withdraw.
The level of radiation at the plant surged to 1,000 millisieverts early Wednesday before coming down to 800-600 millisieverts. Still, that was far more than the average
"So the workers cannot carry out even minimal work at the plant now," Edano said. "Because of the radiation risk, we are on standby."
Experts say exposure of around 1,000 millisieverts is enough to cause radiation sickness.
Earlier officials said 70 percent of fuel rods at one of the six reactors at the plant were significantly damaged in the aftermath of Friday's calamitous earthquake and tsunami.
News reports said 33 percent of fuel rods were also damaged at another reactor. Officials had said they would use helicopters and fire trucks to spray water in a desperate effort to prevent further radiation leaks and to cool down the reactors.
The nuclear crisis has triggered international alarm and partly overshadowed the human tragedy caused by Friday's double disaster, which pulverized Japan's northeastern coastline, killing an estimated 10,000 people.
Authorities have tried frantically since the earthquake and tsunami to avert an environmental catastrophe at the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex in northeastern Japan, 170 miles (270 kilometers) north Tokyo.
The government has ordered some 140,000 people in the vicinity to stay indoors. A little radiation was also detected in Tokyo, 150 miles (240 kilometers) to the south and triggered panic buying of food and water.
There are six reactors at the plant, and three that were operating at the time have been rocked by explosions. The one still on fire was offline at the time of the magnitude 9.0 quake, Japan's most powerful on record.
The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency estimated that 70 percent of the rods have been damaged at the No. 1 reactor.
Japan's national news agency, Kyodo, said that 33 percent of the fuel rods at the No. 2 reactor were damaged and that the cores of both reactors were believed to have partially melted.
"We don't know the nature of the damage," said Minoru Ohgoda, spokesman for the country's nuclear safety agency. "It could be either melting, or there might be some holes in them."
Meanwhile, the outer housing of the containment vessel at the No. 4 unit erupted in flames early Wednesday, said Hajimi Motujuku, a spokesman for the plant's operator, Tokyo Electric Power Co.
Japan's nuclear safety agency said fire and smoke could no longer be seen at Unit 4, but that it was unable to confirm that the blaze had been put out.

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**TXgolfer** · 03-15-2011, 10:46 PM

And this is what they are telling us.....no telling how much they are leaving out.

Steinhauer · 03-15-2011, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

there you go. a very detailed explanation of nuclear power plant - The post-earthquake nuclear crisis: The Japan syndrome | The Economist

That particular Nuclear facility in Fukushima was designed to withstand an 8.2 earthquake. Not a 9.1 (its been upgraded again). The Richter Scale is measured in algorithms so the quake that hit was nearly a 1,000 times stronger than the engineers worst case scenario (an 8.2). Followed up with a Tsunami ... the Nuclear Facility was just not designed to withstand a natural catastrophe of that proportion. It was probably "unthinkable" at the time it was built.

Just hope for the best. It is a mess.

Steinhauer · 03-15-2011, 11:54 PM

Evacuation, confinement and iodine help protect against nuclear fallout

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About 200,000 people have already been evacuated from residential areas around Fukushima, located 250 km north of Tokyo.

Confinement is a highly effective tool pending evacuation to a safer area.

It consists of taking shelter in an enclosed space, preferably a basement room, whose doors and windows are then sealed tight with plastic sheets and adhesive tape.

"The point is to prevent radioactive dust from entering the lungs and the digestive tract," says Gourmelon.

"You take a good shower to remove any contact between the fallout and the skin, but you shouldn't scrub, because this helps particles to penetrate," he says. Nail-biting, smoking and sucking or licking one's fingers are also out.

Tousi · 03-16-2011, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

I was watching CNN at the gym as well.

they are the opposite of chaos. They are waiting in line for hours and only taking what they need when they get there. I haven't heard but I bet price gouging is rare there too. That is never the case here.

I think the relative absence of looting over there has something to do with them as a society....something about conformity, discipline, spartan living, etc

sara1981 · 03-16-2011, 12:47 PM

'I am praying for the nation,' Japan's Emperor Akihito tells his stricken people
http://www.hellomagazine.com/news/20...1/]Japan's emperor Akihito tells Japan not to give up in television address - hellomagazine.com

Emperor Addresses Stricken Japan – Here's How You Can Help
http://www.people.com/people/article...0.html]Emperor Addresses Stricken Japan – Here's How You Can Help - Natural Disasters, Tsunami, Good Deeds : People.com

Japan's emperor in historic speech: 'Never give up hope'
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapc...T1]Japan's emperor in historic speech: 'Never give up hope' - CNN.com

Japan's emperor addresses nation in crisis
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...dy]Japan's emperor addresses nation in crisis - CBS News

**TXgolfer** · 03-16-2011, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

I think the relative absence of looting over there has something to do with them as a society....something about conformity, discipline, spartan living, etc

I think so too

Babyblue · 03-16-2011, 01:46 PM

One question. Just how do you pronounce Fukushima?? Hmmmm.... I'm scared to say it. Since it might come out dirty.

**saywhatkid** · 03-16-2011, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

One question. Just how do you pronounce Fukushima?? Hmmmm.... I'm scared to say it. Since it might come out dirty.

Taking a guess here:
Foo-koo-shee-mah

Babyblue · 03-16-2011, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by saywhatkid

Taking a guess here:
Foo-koo-shee-mah

Thats what I was thinking..... Then I got to looking at it... then I started laughing.

**saywhatkid** · 03-16-2011, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

Thats what I was thinking..... Then I got to looking at it... then I started laughing.

Understood. Perhaps if spelled Fukyushima it might be scarier.

Babyblue · 03-16-2011, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by saywhatkid

Understood. Perhaps if spelled Fukyushima it might be scarier.

I'm just glad I'm not the only one seeing this.

Sorry I got side tracked. Carry on with the thread.

**Jiro** · 03-16-2011, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

I think the relative absence of looting over there has something to do with them as a society....something about conformity, discipline, spartan living, etc

I'd say it's because they've been thru this before... you know - 2 atomic bombs... dozens of earthquakes... Godzilla rampage...

Babyblue · 03-16-2011, 02:16 PM

I think it is the culture in whole. More disciplined.

**Jiro** · 03-16-2011, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

I think it is the culture in whole. More disciplined.

I don't think it's discipline. we don't get trained in it. Looking at where the area is affected... it's mostly rural, small towns, and small cities. Those kind of area tends to be very family-oriented and community-oriented. However... I can't say same for those living in major city.

It is observed that people living in town/rural area tends to fare much better than city dwellers in case of major disaster.

However... right now - it's been 5 days since tsunami disaster. It's just a matter of time till hell breaks out. It's expected. This is very common all around the world - refugee shelters getting crowdy... bathrooms filled up... no or little electricity & water... food running low... We can only hope that international relief response is quick and well-funded.

**Jiro** · 03-16-2011, 02:29 PM

In Refugee Shelters, Misery and Uncertainty

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OFUNATO, Japan — For the past five days Takiko Kinno has slept on a crowded gymnasium floor, without electricity or running water and living on food rations that in the beginning amounted to one and a half rice balls per day.

But the toughest part, she says, has been the uncertainty about how long she will have to stay here after last week’s tsunami destroyed much of this small port city in northern Japan.

“We are stuck in limbo,” said Ms. Kinno, 69, who shares the gym with 500 other residents, most in their 60s or older. “We don’t know where we will live, how we will live, how long it will take to leave here.”

It is a predicament shared by tens of thousands across northern Japan. In stricken communities like this one, tsunami refugees have gathered in hundreds of schools, hospitals and public gyms that have been converted into makeshift shelters. In Ofunato, with a population of 41,000, there are 61 such shelters housing 8,437 people, according to city officials.

The residents of these shelters often live in desperate and primitive conditions with little more than a roof over their heads. They have endured days of living in the dark and cold, an ordeal made even worse on Wednesday as a winter storm brought heavy snow and below-freezing temperatures to many devastated areas. The privations underscore the difficulties that Japan has faced in responding to the some 700,000 refugees created by Friday’s tsunami, the nation’s largest humanitarian crisis since World War II. While national news media and opposition politicians have been quick to criticize Prime Minister Naoto Kan’s handling of it, locals said they had low expectations of the central government to begin with.

“The central government has a big debt, no money, so we can’t rely on it,” said Noriko Kikuchi, 71, one of those seeking refuge in Ofunato’s gym.

But some help is finally starting to trickle in, usually in the form of food and water brought by Japan’s military, after many shelters were cut off from the rest of the world in the first days after the disaster. At the gym in Ofunato four portable toilets arrived a day ago to supplement the two over-used restrooms. A cheer went up in the early afternoon when electricity was partly restored, giving the refugees their first electric light since the waves hit.

Those living there say they still face severe shortages. They say have not bathed or changed their clothes in five days — and for Japanese, who look forward to a nightly ritual of immersion in a hot bath, that is particularly distressing. For many, their clothing was all they brought with them as they fled the tsunami, leaving them essentially marooned in the shelters because they had no money to hire a taxi or go shopping. The waves swept away everything else they owned, and in many cases their savings as well, because many older Japanese keep their savings in their dressers, not a bank. Those who have bank accounts could not withdraw money because power problems froze ATM networks.

“I would leave tomorrow if I could,” said Emi Sasaki, 64, a homemaker living at the gym with her daughter and granddaughter. “Access to phones and money would let me at least try to find a place to live.”

Those in the shelters try to maintain the orderly routines of normal Japanese life, seen in the tidy rows of shoes and muddy boots at the doorway to the shelters, where everyone is in socks. But there are also stressful differences: the lack of privacy, the growing odors of hundreds of unwashed bodies and the cries of fear every night during the countless aftershocks that have followed Friday’s earthquake.

They also feel cut off from their families and the outside world, with no phones or newspapers or Internet access. Meanwhile, the closure of highways and lack of goods have slowed government efforts to deliver more supplies.

“We have no idea what will happen to us next,” said Noriko Kikuchi, 71, whose home and small cigarette stand were destroyed by the waves. “I cannot call relatives or friends to ask for help.”

Even those whose homes were spared have found themselves living in a state of privation that this modern and wealthy nation has not known since World War Two. Entire swaths of northern Japan remain without electricity, water or cell phone service.

Chronic shortages of everything from rice to gasoline have led to empty or closed stores, and lines at filling stations that extend a mile or more. Maki Niinuma, a 30-year-old homemaker, said her biggest anxiety was providing for her children, particularly her seven-month-old son. While the waves spared her home, fuel shortages have made it hard for her to shop because she wants to keep enough gas in her car to drive the baby to an inland hospital if he gets sick.

As a result, she has had to ration baby formula and try to fill the gap with less nutritious substitutes like rice porridge. She also said she had tried to make his disposable diapers last longer by waiting till they filled up before throwing them away.

“If I don’t have enough to eat, I can endure it,” she said. “But I’m worried about my children’s nutrition.” .

Many Japanese have endured the privations with a similar mood of quiet stoicism, and the strong sense of community that still prevails in these northern rural areas. Even the hardest-hit areas have remained orderly and friendly, and crimes like looting are largely unheard of.

This communal spirit is apparent at many shelters, some of which are run by community volunteer groups who donate and cook the food, and even clean the overused toilets. In Ofunato, about a third of the shelters are run by volunteers with the rest administered by the city.

Mamoru Mikami, a city official who oversees the refugee centers, said the government was beginning to take over the volunteer-run shelters as it now appears that it will take weeks or months to build temporary housing for those left homeless.

He said doctors had volunteered to check shelter residents for disease or stress, though the city had a chronic shortage of medicines for common ailments like cold and flu, or medicines like insulin for those with preexisting diseases like diabetes. In the longer term, he said, the bigger challenges would be depression and stress, both from living in the shelters, where people have no privacy as well as no water and electricity, and also from the shock of the destruction that they have witnessed.

Mr. Mikami said some symptoms were already appearing, such as denial, or emotional swings between giddiness and tears.

“It is happening to me, too; I still feel like I’m in a dream,” said Mr. Mikami, who barely survived the tsunami by running uphill. “So many of my co-workers at city hall died.”

Those who do leave the shelters have little choice but to live amid the debris of their smashed homes. Osamu Niinuma, 68, was ejected from one shelter because he insisted on bringing his dog. With many of his friends lost to the tsunami, he said he could not part with the best friend, a beagle named Pan.

Now, he lives with Pan in the shattered shell of his home, wearing four layers of clothes to stay warm at night.

“I didn’t want to stay in the refugee shelter forever anyway,” said Mr. Niinuma, a former teacher. “People need to get out and rebuild their lives.”

Babyblue · 03-16-2011, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

I don't think it's discipline. we don't get trained in it. Looking at where the area is affected... it's mostly rural, small towns, and small cities. Those kind of area tends to be very family-oriented and community-oriented. However... I can't say same for those living in major city.

It is observed that people living in town/rural area tends to fare much better than city dwellers in case of major disaster.

However... right now - it's been 5 days since tsunami disaster. It's just a matter of time till hell breaks out. It's expected. This is very common all around the world - refugee shelters getting crowdy... bathrooms filled up... no or little electricity & water... food running low... We can only hope that international relief response is quick and well-funded.

So it is culture and discipline. It is how they were raised and family oriented. It is how they grew up Or (trained).

**TXgolfer** · 03-16-2011, 02:47 PM

I always thought the Cubs player name Fukudome would have been a good nam for the Cowboys new Billion dollar stadium

**TXgolfer** · 03-16-2011, 02:49 PM

I wonder if cub fans chant. Let's go Fu Ku. Clap clap clapclapclap

Steinhauer · 03-16-2011, 03:00 PM

I think it is ironic that there was also a Tsunami on ****it island in 2004.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phuket_Province

**Dixie** · 03-16-2011, 03:22 PM

I think Phuket is pronounced Foo-ket.

Steinhauer · 03-16-2011, 03:43 PM

There is no more water in the spent fuel rod pool - next step is spraying boric acid to neutralize the radiation? Sand, gravel, cement? Massive evacuation and quarantine?

I really want to physically helpt the Japanese. I can operate heavy machinery in efforts to clean up. Anyone know if any US private contractors are hiring to help with the aid?

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TXgolfer Dream Weaver Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Everywhere Posts: 17,580	Rarely.... And never paid that much but paid way too much. In the begenning there was a much lack of labor. I saw women who looked like they had never broken a sweat before picking up debris __________________ Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. - Romans 12:21 Sometimes at night, I see their faces. I feel the traces they've left on my soul

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TXgolfer Dream Weaver Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Everywhere Posts: 17,580	I always thought the Cubs player name Fukudome would have been a good nam for the Cowboys new Billion dollar stadium __________________ Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. - Romans 12:21 Sometimes at night, I see their faces. I feel the traces they've left on my soul

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