WWIII has begin? - Page 2

**Jiro** · 11-24-2010, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by yizuman

For WWIII to happen, if NK goes to war with SK, then China has the backing for NK, so the Chinese will once again help them like they did last time. Then Russia will also back them as well, once a Commie, always a Commie.

Then who knows what will spill in after them that could be the final chain of reaction that turns into WWIII??

Another chain of reaction scenario would be if Israeli's Air Force struck against Iran's nuke facilities that could very well start WWIII with the entire Middle East and or the Muslim Nations.

Yiz

China and Russia are not supporting NK. Russia is a NATO member so Russia has to fight against NK.

yizuman · 11-24-2010, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

China and Russia are not supporting NK. Russia is a NATO member so Russia has to fight against NK.

Well, do they HAVE to?

Yiz

Steinhauer · 11-24-2010, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by yizuman

Well, do they HAVE to?

Yiz

as sworn allies, yes.

and .... they will.

Steinhauer · 11-24-2010, 02:37 PM

But .... this will more than likely happen:

U.S., China could solve Korea standoff - CNN.com

**Reba** · 11-24-2010, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

China and Russia are not supporting NK. Russia is a NATO member so Russia has to fight against NK.

Russia is a member of NATO but S. Korea is not.

NATO - Member countries

NATO is for North Atlantic Treaty Organization; the Korean peninsula doesn't touch the North Atlantic.

Maybe you're thinking of the UN? That is the organization responsible for defending S. Korea.

Royale · 11-24-2010, 03:12 PM

They are already technically at war. They have been under the signed ceasefire agreement to suspend the fighting.

**Chevy57** · 11-24-2010, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Russia is a member of NATO but S. Korea is not.

NATO - Member countries

NATO is for North Atlantic Treaty Organization; the Korean peninsula doesn't touch the North Atlantic.

Maybe you're thinking of the UN? That is the organization responsible for defending S. Korea.

Russia are not fully membership of Nato but partnership for peace country.

**Reba** · 11-24-2010, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chevy57

Russia are not fully membership of Nato but partnership for peace country.

My mistake. You are correct.

**Chevy57** · 11-24-2010, 05:11 PM

Obama let airfield ship go there later this week for exercising.

**Reba** · 11-24-2010, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chevy57

Obama let airfield ship go there later this week for exercising.

Yes, he sent the aircraft carrier USS GEORGE WASHINGTON to join the exercise.

Steinhauer · 11-26-2010, 09:29 PM

China appears to criticize U.S.-South Korean military exercise - CNN.com

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China appears to criticize U.S.-South Korean military exercise

Like I said earlier ... they should have just left MacArthur alone.

DDU · 11-27-2010, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Yes, he sent the aircraft carrier USS GEORGE WASHINGTON to join the exercise.

how many subs do we have hiding around there now?

**Jiro** · 11-27-2010, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Like I said earlier ... they should have just left MacArthur alone.

then it would be Oppenheimer's Law instead of Godwin's Law.

**Jiro** · 11-27-2010, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DDU

how many subs do we have hiding around there now?

71, I believe

Fleet Size

**Chevy57** · 11-27-2010, 07:15 AM

What do you think that N. Korea would threaten to hit George Washington aircraft carrier near border of Yellow Sea?

**Jiro** · 11-27-2010, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Chevy57

What do you think that N. Korea would threaten to hit George Washington aircraft carrier near border of Yellow Sea?

no. if that happened - North Korea will not exist in google map for 2011.

**Chevy57** · 11-27-2010, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

no. if that happened - North Korea will not exist in google map for 2011.

Which one is Yellow Sea or East Sea near Yeonpyeong Island?

**Jiro** · 11-27-2010, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Chevy57

Which one is Yellow Sea or East Sea near Yeonpyeong Island?

Yellow Sea.

**Chevy57** · 11-27-2010, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Yellow Sea.

I m sorry that should be West Sea instead of East Sea.

I confuse that google map s different sea is near this island.

Sea map:

**Reba** · 11-27-2010, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DDU

how many subs do we have hiding around there now?

There's no telling.

**Reba** · 11-27-2010, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

71, I believe

Fleet Size

There's no way to know how many subs are in any given area at any time. Those numbers are classified. Anything is just a guess, even by experts.

**Jiro** · 11-27-2010, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

There's no way to know how many subs are in any given area at any time. Those numbers are classified. Anything is just a guess, even by experts.

that's what I thought so. Originally - my answer was

"xx

that's the whole point of deterrent"

**Reba** · 11-27-2010, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

that's what I thought so. Originally - my answer was

"xx

that's the whole point of deterrent"

There's no way to know how many subs are deployed in any area. Also, the number of warheads and missiles on board are kept classified, as are speed, distance and depth limits. It's a big guessing game.

They aren't called the Silent Service for nothing.

netrox · 11-27-2010, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

SK notified NK about military test drill. NK fired about 100 rounds. SK fired back with about 80 rounds.

IMO - SK shouldn't have fired back at all. They should exercise with extreme restraint and let the world do the scorning and finger-pointing at NK for an act of aggression.

What if that happened on USA soil? I am sure the USA will want war.

**Reba** · 11-27-2010, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

SK notified NK about military test drill. NK fired about 100 rounds. SK fired back with about 80 rounds.

IMO - SK shouldn't have fired back at all. They should exercise with extreme restraint and let the world do the scorning and finger-pointing at NK for an act of aggression.

I have a hard time accepting that concept.

To me, that's too familiar with pre-WWII and Cold War attitude.

Also, it's easy to tell other countries to "cool it" when it's not your people getting shot at and killed.

Some countries may perceive non retaliation as calm diplomacy but others will perceive that non action as a weakness and a signal to keep pushing on.

**Jiro** · 11-27-2010, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I have a hard time accepting that concept.

To me, that's too familiar with pre-WWII and Cold War attitude.

Also, it's easy to tell other countries to "cool it" when it's not your people getting shot at and killed.

Some countries may perceive non retaliation as calm diplomacy but others will perceive that non action as a weakness and a signal to keep pushing on.

when you have that much military power to wipe out the country off the map... what does it make you?

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I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power the greater it will be.
Thomas Jefferson

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Power is of two kinds. One is obtained by the fear of punishment and the other by acts of love. Power based on love is a thousand times more effective and permanent then the one derived from fear of punishment.
Mohandas Gandhi

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We must develop and maintain the capacity to forgive. He who is devoid of the power to forgive is devoid of the power to love. There is some good in the worst of us and some evil in the best of us. When we discover this, we are less prone to hate our enemies.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

**Jiro** · 11-27-2010, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by netrox

What if that happened on USA soil? I am sure the USA will want war.

not likely. NK lacks fund and technology for that. At most - it'll hit some remote area.

**Reba** · 11-27-2010, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

when you have that much military power to wipe out the country off the map... what does it make you?

Who says it's necessary to wipe the country off the map? There's a wide range of military options between doing nothing and wiping a country off the map.

Steinhauer · 11-27-2010, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Who says it's necessary to wipe the country off the map? There's a wide range of military options between doing nothing and wiping a country off the map.

yep, one would be to bomb their illegal nuke plant.

**Reba** · 11-27-2010, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

not likely. NK lacks fund and technology for that. At most - it'll hit some remote area.

What if any country attacked the USA in the same manner? What would you expect?

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