Arizona to Secede? - Page 11

jillio · 05-25-2010, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by yizuman

It's pretty convenient when they forced Texas to agree to abide with the rules and if they go outta line, force Texas to break up into 5 states of "convenient size".

The smaller the population, the easier it is to control us. Main keyword, "CONTROL". Something that a Government loves to do, to control the masses into THEIR will rather than the will OF THE PEOPLE.

Yiz

Forced? Are you suggesting a gun was held to their head at the signing?

**Jiro** · 05-25-2010, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by yizuman

It's pretty convenient when they forced Texas to agree to abide with the rules and if they go outta line, force Texas to break up into 5 states of "convenient size".

The smaller the population, the easier it is to control us. Main keyword, "CONTROL". Something that a Government loves to do, to control the masses into THEIR will rather than the will OF THE PEOPLE.

Yiz

but.... the Texans agreed to it.

here's the original document. (Ratification of Texas Annexation, 1845 - Texas State Library)

**TXgolfer** · 05-25-2010, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

What does treason have to do with the fact that Texas does not have the legal right to sucede, and succession is not a Constitutional right?

Uhhh...Constitutional rights are provided for in the Constitution, not the Declaration of Independence. You claimed that sucession was a Constitutional right. So I will again ask...specifically which section of the Constitution provides for the right of sucession? Particularly after Texas signed away any right to sucede in the War of 1812. The 10th Amendment does not provide for sucession as a Constitutional right, either. Are you posting again without reading first?

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Originally Posted by jillio

You stated that it was a Constitutional right. That means it has to be provided for in the Constitution. Can't backpedal your way out of that one simply by saying "Show me where it forbids it." According to what you claim, it must specifically provide for it.

And you have already been shown where Texas signed away their right to sucede during the War of 1812.

State Sovereignty is an entirely different topic, and one that I doubt you understand any better than the topic of right to sucede.

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Originally Posted by jillio

Are you actually trying to award credibility to a ranting and raving militia man? Can you say "indoctrination"?

It is illegal based on the treaty signed in the war of 1812 by Texas. How many times does that have to be said?

Likewise, you stated that it was a Consitutional right. In order to be a Constitutional right, the Consitution has to specifically provide for it. So, back up your claim that it is a Constitutional right by citing the specific area of the constitution that provides for secession as a Constitutional right. Or simply do the right thing, and admit that you were wrong and don't have a clue what you are talking about.

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Originally Posted by jillio

I've supported it in several posts. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it hasn't been supported.

Do you think that asking the same question over and over is going to get you a different answer? The only person that has anything to support would be the one that claimed that secession is a Constitutional right. Quite obviously, you are beginning to understand that you cannot support that because it is false. So now you are trying to turn it around to save face. Best to just let it drop.

Texas signed away their right to secede in the war of 1812. I think that is the 4th or 5th time I have stated that. Do you understand it now?

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Originally Posted by jillio

Need to go back and read again. The treaty was signed that negated their right to secede during the War of 1812. That is what I have said 4 or 5 times. And provided the link to support it.

You shouldn't try to spin your way out of it......you could break a hip.

What you said is CLEARLY quoted above

**TXgolfer** · 05-25-2010, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Looks like you have a bullet in your foot as well, there, old buddy.

Wasn't a matter of misstatement on my part, but a matter of failure to sythesize information on yours.

Really????? You have an interesting definition for "signed" then. Much like your spelling for fallacious.

You can spin all day if you want.....but your only reward will be dizziness. Everyone can see what you said.

Glenn · 05-25-2010, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by yizuman

It's pretty convenient when they forced Texas to agree to abide with the rules and if they go outta line, force Texas to break up into 5 states of "convenient size".

The smaller the population, the easier it is to control us. Main keyword, "CONTROL". Something that a Government loves to do, to control the masses into THEIR will rather than the will OF THE PEOPLE.

Yiz

Have you seen many black helicopters lately? This sounds a touch paranoid.

souggy · 05-25-2010, 11:39 AM

I wouldn't worry about how they divide the country. We do a good job of dividing ourselves without government involvement.

Especially when people apply labels like "liberals" and "conservatives" in a negative fashion. Or calling Muslims "terrorists" and Christians "Bible-thumpers."

The government doesn't need to divide Texas into five to control the people; the people already did a good job of giving up their own autonomy to the government.

**saywhatkid** · 05-25-2010, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by naisho

Ah okay. That's cool. Here's a pat on the back for ya.
I just thought it was irrelevant contribution to the thread (the image would be named as oldschooler.jpg on their read-out / braille software) that could be omitted.

I've done it in the past with Hear Again / Mrs Bucket and they've never had an issue with my posts?

Thanks for your concern though. I will fix it for them when I notice discontented replies.

Yeah, there's a new sheriff in town. Consider yourself chastised.

**TXgolfer** · 05-25-2010, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by saywhatkid

Yeah, there's a new sheriff in town.

And his name is Reggie Hammond!!!!

kokonut · 05-25-2010, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

You shouldn't try to spin your way out of it......you could break a hip.

How's that extraction of that wisdom tooth coming along?

**TXgolfer** · 05-25-2010, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

How's that extraction of that wisdom tooth coming along?

LOL.....good times

BTW remember this....

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer
BTW fallicious = fallacious I assume

Meaning someone made a mistake

The reply...

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You assume incorrectly.

How about sticking to the topic. Or are the insults evidence that you have run out of anything credible?

**TXgolfer** · 05-25-2010, 01:36 PM

My Comp 101 class had a little poem in the syllabus......

Seek for words that are persuasive
Doesn't matter if they are big or small
But beware if you choose big words
If misspelled they are not persuasive at all

I make mistakes.....I own up to them too.

yizuman · 05-25-2010, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

but.... the Texans agreed to it.

Happily or grudgingly? Of course, they had no choice but to sign or lose Texas as a whole to be broken into 5 states, something they did not want to happen.

Yiz

souggy · 05-25-2010, 01:42 PM

You do realized Texas wanted to be annexed back then? Since 1837?

**TXgolfer** · 05-25-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by souggy

You do realized Texas wanted to be annexed back then? Since 1837?

That's pretty much true.......And much of the north did not want Texas to join.

Steinhauer · 05-25-2010, 02:27 PM

Thanks guys for pointing out the errors of their ways ...

I haven't seen so much spin since I was 6 and watched a cotton candy machine

Glenn · 05-25-2010, 02:29 PM

Was this thread about spelling? I must have missed that.

yizuman · 05-25-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

That's pretty much true.......And much of the north did not want Texas to join.

Reckon that's what started the Confederate States?

Yiz

Secretblend · 05-25-2010, 02:54 PM

Nice to see the humorous posts!

**TXgolfer** · 05-25-2010, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn

Was this thread about spelling? I must have missed that.

Goes to credibility your Honor!!!

No the thread is not about spelling. And the posts that mentioned spelling were not about spelling either. But rather to a pattern by some who mock others without admitting their own mistakes. I usually have those people in ignore but I let them back out for a few days to expose them. I will put them back in now.

jillio · 05-25-2010, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

That's pretty much true.......And much of the north did not want Texas to join.

Wonder why that was?

jillio · 05-25-2010, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Goes to credibility your Honor!!!

No the thread is not about spelling. And the posts that mentioned spelling were not about spelling either. But rather to a pattern by some who mock others without admitting their own mistakes. I usually have those people in ignore but I let them back out for a few days to expose them. I will put them back in now.

Ever hear of PM? It is a wonderful feature that is useful for personal conversation to keep from taking threads completely off topic. Personal grudges, as well, are best taken there.

Steinhauer · 05-25-2010, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Ever hear of PM? It is a wonderful feature that is useful for personal conversation to keep from taking threads completely off topic. Personal grudges, as well, are best taken there.

do you ever listen to your own advice?

souggy · 05-25-2010, 03:14 PM

As shocking as it may be, she actually does.

**Jiro** · 05-25-2010, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by yizuman

Happily or grudgingly? Of course, they had no choice but to sign or lose Texas as a whole to be broken into 5 states, something they did not want to happen.

Yiz

and you know how they felt..... how?

**TXgolfer** · 05-25-2010, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Ever hear of PM? It is a wonderful feature that is useful for personal conversation to keep from taking threads completely off topic. Personal grudges, as well, are best taken there.

Me hold grudges?????? Never.

jillio · 05-25-2010, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Me hold grudges?????? Never.

Riiight!

05-25-2010, 11:39 AM	#306 (permalink)
souggy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 9,541	I wouldn't worry about how they divide the country. We do a good job of dividing ourselves without government involvement. Especially when people apply labels like "liberals" and "conservatives" in a negative fashion. Or calling Muslims "terrorists" and Christians "Bible-thumpers." The government doesn't need to divide Texas into five to control the people; the people already did a good job of giving up their own autonomy to the government. __________________ "It is my task to convince you not to turn away because you don’t understand it." - Richard Freynman

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souggy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 9,541	You do realized Texas wanted to be annexed back then? Since 1837? __________________ "It is my task to convince you not to turn away because you don’t understand it." - Richard Freynman

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