Trampling Gun Rights

Jiro

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The purpose of this thread is just to simply raise some awareness about our Constitutional rights (not just gun rights) being trampled over by police officers who are sadly misinformed or even ill-informed about the laws. It is said that due to atmosphere fostered by a certain political agenda... it is "encouraging" officers to trample over our rights because they can get away from it. to make it worse - they will continue to do so despite of higher courts' rulings that support us because in the end - the citizens will just give up and just go along with it to avoid headache (like giving up on gun).

my latest post from other thread -
just finished reading a very lengthy 59-pages legal case filed by NRA on behalf of law-abiding citizens who were wrongfully and illegally arrested by Port Authority for LAWFULLY transporting unloaded firearms in TSA-approved locked case. To make the matter worse - the arrestee is a licensed attorney in Florida and DC and he repeatedly cited the federal laws. The officer scoffed at it and arrested him anyway on bullshit charge by NY law.... which doesn't even legally meet the criteria to arrest him. :roll:

It's disgusting of these officers to blatantly violate their Constitutional rights and not even know the laws properly. *SMH* I was reading up on it because I wanted to transport my firearm to Texas and other state to meet up with friends for some shooting exercise.

legal briefing PDF file - link
 
It's disgusting......our rights are flying out the door.

How closely is the Port Authority related to NYPD.......I wouldn't expect this from the few NYPD that I have met.
 
It's disgusting......our rights are flying out the door.

How closely is the Port Authority related to NYPD.......I wouldn't expect this from the few NYPD that I have met.

Port Authority is a separate LEO branch for both NJ and NYC. NYPD is responsible for NYC only and NJ cops are responsible for NJ only but the problem is - NY and NYC are connected together in many ways. Who is responsible for what? To avoid this jurisdiction headache....

Port Authority Police Department (PAPD) is responsible for commuter hubs such as tunnels, bridges, trains, bus terminals, 3 metropolitan airports (Newark, LaGuardia, and JFK), etc. More info is here.
 
another case -

so my friend just notified me that he is in process of filing a civil lawsuit with a lawyer who specialized in firearm cases against Montgomery County (Maryland) police department for illegal search in his vehicle. He was pulled over for speeding and by law - he had to notify the officer that he was carrying firearm in his trunk and also displayed firearm license. Upon notification of carrying firearm, the officer illegally searched his vehicle..... probably because he's black.

disgusting..... :roll: He'll win the case easily and I hope that officer will get suspended for a certain period of time without pay for blatant civil violation.

1. if you are carrying or transporting a firearm, you are required by law to notify the officer about this and you must show proper document/permit. Failure to do this will result in arrest, fines, criminal charge, and a permanent loss of firearm license.

2. some states (very few) do not require you to notify the officer but it's obviously very good idea to notify them in order to avoid any confusion. The last thing you want is to get shot by officer over misunderstanding. Ie. the officer asked you for documents and then you reached into your pocket or glove compartment... the officer sees the gun.. and yea shit will hit fan.

3. it depends on the state law regarding transporting firearm. You are required to store UNLOADED firearm in the trunk.

4. the reason why hunters have gun rack in their truck is because it's legal to do that in that state. It's usually called Open Carry - visibly carrying firearm in plain public view. Alaska and Vermont do this. I don't know about other states.

because it's very obvious. We know people who are Maryland Police Chief, former MD legislator, MD lawyer, etc. It's the corrupted environment in Maryland where the cops blatantly violated the laws in gun-related cases. They are well-aware about this situation and it's nothing new. In the past, handful of cases were filed against police but 99.9% were dismissed because the police had a "valid probable cause". :roll:

Maryland is not a gun-friendly state. They advised him to file the formal complaint against them. They did tell him that he's free to file a lawsuit against them but they told him that the success rate is basically nil.

He notified the officers... showed proper documents including military ID... it was all checked out... but the officer said that he wanted to search his vehicle. He respectfully refused the consent to search the vehicle since there was no probable cause. The officer threatened him with an arrest and that he has a probable cause to search the vehicle. What probable cause? that he told the officer that he has firearms in the vehicle. :roll:

He had 3 guns - 2 pistols and 1 shotgun in the trunk. securely locked. He was on the way home from Fort Lee (army firing range) in Virginia.

how dare that officer treated this decorated ex-Rangers like this :mad2:
 
Port Authority is a separate LEO branch for both NJ and NYC. NYPD is responsible for NYC only and NJ cops are responsible for NJ only but the problem is - NY and NYC are connected together in many ways. Who is responsible for what? To avoid this jurisdiction headache....

Port Authority Police Department (PAPD) is responsible for commuter hubs such as tunnels, bridges, trains, bus terminals, 3 metropolitan airports (Newark, LaGuardia, and JFK), etc. More info is here.


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you know what's even crazier? I do not understand why NJ needs to have several unnecessary LEO branches. We also have ANOTHER separate LEO branch that covers only PiP (Palisade Interstate Parkway) aka Parkway Police. It's ridiculous! and a very sensitive political issue for many. Bergen County is where I live and it's one of the most powerful counties in NJ because it's where the deep pockets are (hence the Sopranos tv series although it's in Essex County but it's right next to Bergen County). It reeks of deep corruptions especially misuse of $$$$$ (nothing new, I know but still....) :ugh:

here are few links about Parkway Police -
Bill Calls for Shutting Down Parkway Police in Favor of Bergen’s
Many Complaints Filed About Palisades Parkway Cops

and here - a blatant case of police & political corruption
An assemblyman from Bergen County is pushing a personal vendetta by sponsoring legislation to disband the Palisades Interstate Parkway Police Department, which has stopped the lawmaker's son at least five times since 2005, a union official alleges.

Assemblyman John Rooney, R-Northvale, has acknowledged that his son's run-ins with the department, including one stop in 2005 that ended with a guilty plea to a weapons charge, motivated him to seek the abolition of the 25-member force and shift its responsibilities to the Bergen County Police Department.

Rooney testified in Trenton in December that his son's brushes with parkway officers could justify a personal "grudge" against the department. He added that the experience exposed him to a pattern of aggressive policing that has been supported by complaints from constituents, particularly minorities.

"Somebody might say that I have a grudge," Rooney said. "Well, if that's true, I think it's a grudge that's realistically earned, and what we're looking at is an agency that's out of control and has been out of control. They seem to make the laws on their own."

Palisades Interstate Parkway Commission officials deny those allegations. Patrolman Fabricio Salazar, president of Local 388 of the New Jersey State Policemen's Benevolent Association, said Rooney is trying to punish parkway officers for doing their jobs.

"This gentleman, Mr. John Rooney, has a personal agenda, a vendetta, because we acted as a professional law enforcement agency," Salazar said. "I feel that we're being picked on by this gentleman because of that, and it just happens to be his son. I have kids. No one wants to see their kids in trouble with the law, and I can see his point of view on this. But at the same time, why would you blame us for doing our jobs?"

Rooney's 38-year-old son, Patrick, has been stopped on the parkway at least five times since July 2005. On Nov. 7 of that year, he was pulled over for speeding and for driving with an expired state inspection sticker on his pickup truck. Officers stopped him 11 days later, again for driving with an expired inspection sticker. A search of his car yielded cocaine, marijuana, drug paraphernalia and two loaded BB guns, according to the arrest report. The drug charges later were dismissed. Patrick Rooney pleaded guilty to a weapons charge and a probation violation.

there goes our Constitutional Rights being abused at their whims.... :roll:
 
Hey Jackass. Get your government off my freedom!!

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Concealed Carry: If You're Interested in Preventing Hate Crimes, Let's Stop them Before They Happen
Twenty-five years ago, Tom Palmer and a male companion were threatened by a group of 20 or so young males on an empty street in San Jose, California. The group shouted anti-gay epithets and made death threats.

Palmer and his companion ran, and the attackers gave chase. Moments later, Palmer pulled out a 9 mm semi-automatic pistol, one he owned legally, and pointed it at the group. Palmer was positive they intended to seriously harm or even kill him and his companion.

The gun stopped the group in their tracks. Palmer told them that if they got any closer to him, he would use the gun and shoot. The young men didn't take that chance, and Palmer credits that pistol for saving his life.

Tom, who currently works as a scholar at the libertarian Cato Institute, knows first hand that a gun can save your life.

This summer, the Senate will consider the Matthew Shepard Local Law Enforcement Enhancement Hate Crimes Prevention Act, more commonly know as Hate Crimes legislation. Unfortunately, the bill, as currently written, will do little to actually prevent violent hate crimes from occurring. There is, however, a way to stop hate crimes before they happen: help law-abiding Americans at risk of hate crimes defend themselves from predators.

While GOProud, the only national gay conservative group, doesn't take a position on the current hate crimes legislation, we do strongly support empowering individuals to protect themselves - which is why GOProud urges the Senate to amend the current hate crimes legislation to include a provision dealing with concealed carry reciprocity.

A bill in the Senate, S. 845, co-sponsored by Senator John Thune (R-SD) and Senator David Vitter (R-LA), allows for reciprocity among all the states that currently allow citizens to lawfully carry a concealed firearm.

This common sense legislation would allow an individual who is lawfully licensed to carry a concealed weapon in his home state, to also carry a concealed weapon in another state - as long as that state permits conceal carry and as long as the individual complies with the concealed carry law of that state. An individual's constitutional right to defend himself or herself should not arbitrarily stop at a state line. This is particularly the case when traveling to a state that also permits concealed carry.

GOProud is not alone in their fight to empower law-abiding individuals by protecting their 2nd Amendment rights. Gun Owners of America, an organization representing hundreds of thousands of Americans, strongly supports S. 845, and supports adding concealed carry reciprocity to the hate crimes bill.

Gun Owners of America is the organization that helped lead the successful efforts to amend recent credit card legislation to include a provision allowing for the lawful exercise of 2nd amendment rights in national parks and refuges. Gun Owners of America shares our commitment to empowering individuals to defend themselves lawfully from becoming victims of violent crime.

No matter what the left wants you to believe, the truth is that law-abiding gun use saves lives. Guns are used 2.5 million times a year in self defense - that's 6,850 times a day in this country. Furthermore, concealed carry laws have reduced murder and crime rates in states that have enacted them.

According to a comprehensive study which reviewed crime statistics in every county in the United States from 1977 to 1992, states that passed concealed carry law reduced their rate of murder by 8.5%, rape by 5%, aggravated assault by 7%, and robbery by 3%.

Some on the left will argue that this amendment would be a poison pill -- an amendment intended simply to kill hate crimes legislation. This amendment isn't a poison pill -- like it or not hate crimes legislation will pass, and by a wide margin, with or without a concealed carry reciprocity amendment.

No one argues that violent crime is not a problem, and no one should doubt that there are groups of individuals who are targeted just because of who they are -- be it because they of their race, religion or sexual orientation. While good and honest people can differ on the best and most constitutional way to deal with this problem, all of us can and should agree that it is a problem.

If Congress is actually interested in preventing violent hate crimes, they should pass legislation that will empower individuals to defend themselves before they become another hate crime victim.

all for more reason why our Gun Rights should be rigorously protected and respected. Thanks Foxrac for showing me this article :ty:
 
Just wondering... How long does a box of .223 last?
 
However if you're talking about the 7.62 x 39... I have a gun that is super fun. 100 bullets back to back to back. Very fun. it jams quite a bit and is very scary to unjam. :shock:



Thats what you get with a cheap gun and bullets.
 
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