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Unread 11-18-2009, 10:55 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Understandable. I don't agree about tasering a child unless I am okay with very good reason. At the least, she is now in local youth shelter for some help.
But you just said it was okay?



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Unread 11-18-2009, 11:10 AM   #32 (permalink)
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But you just said it was okay?



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No. That is not what I mean. I meant, if it is a reasonable intention then yes, I'm okay with. But if it is not a reason, then no.

1. Overteasering someone for a little thing, that's stupid reason.

2. Teasering someone for being uncontrollable, yes, it is a reason.

I understand you don't agree, that's fine.
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Unread 11-18-2009, 11:28 AM   #33 (permalink)
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I still disagree with TASERING, shocking a child to me is just so wrong...
same here. I do not agree with tasering on a CHILD, not ADULT. 10 years old is a real young kid. That is so wrong. Poor kid. No one knows why this kid acted like that way due to many reasons. BUT taser? oh please. There are many methods of handling kids to calm down somehow.
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again - when you have dealt with a violent child... come back and then you can criticize all you want.
Hmm... lessee I can count on one hand the number of "violent children I've dealt with... so NOW can I criticize? There are WAYS to deal with violent children, kicking and screaming and punching types of children. There are martial art restraining holds that cause no pain and no damage and prevents a child from hurting you and themselves, it immobilizes them and they spend a lot of energy trying to bust loose... as for their screaming... they'll get hoarse eventually... one just has to outlast the child until they run out of steam and energy (which they eventually do) and then deal with the child appropriately.
I've done this several times without any bad effects.

A child is an open book and a GOOD parent will let the child know at a young age (2 or 3 years old) that THIS or THAT are appropriate (or inappropriate) ways to express frustration, anger and whatever. Letting the child go or giving in even over a period of 3 to 4 months long will set a pattern to where the child will fight to have complete control over a situation that it should NOT have control over in the first place. Children naturally test the boundries and it's up to the parents to set them FIRMLY and decisively without flexibility so that discipline can be maintained in the home. All of that is balanced with love, patience and understanding.

Violent children need help and professional counseling ... NOT DRUGS to help them resolve their problems... I should know I was considered a violent child at that girl's age but with counseling and patience I turned out pretty good. And I was not given any drugs like Ritalin or any other anti-psychotic that children should NOT be administered anyway.
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Ugh gee whatever happened to cops training in restraining techniques. 10 yrs old a cop could of restrained w/out taser. Sounds like a whimpish cop to me.
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Unread 11-18-2009, 03:02 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Do your kid acting violently?
Behavior disorders in children are more common than you believed to be, if you're a parent then you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. All the naughtiness, throwing temper tantrums, arguing, breaking rules, etc is what most parents will face in their lifetime.

For this 10 years old, her outbursts may be unnecessary to you, but then again, I don't know what disorder she is suffering. I believe this parent of the 10 years old should seek the help of a pediatrician, or a child psychologist. Of course cops aren't psychologists, so they gonna use whatever they want on the child to get the child to calm down. It's ridiculous!
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Unread 11-18-2009, 03:24 PM   #37 (permalink)
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1. Overteasering someone for a little thing, that's stupid reason.

2. Teasering someone for being uncontrollable, yes, it is a reason.

I understand you don't agree, that's fine.
Oh.. my... gosh

Is it okay to taze an attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) child? or an conduct disorder child? or oppositional defiant disorder child? Children who suffer from behavior disorders are at a higher risk for school failure, suicide, and mental health problems and you're saying it's okay to taze a child who's out of control? I'm shocked at your response.
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Unread 11-18-2009, 05:57 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Oh.. my... gosh

Is it okay to taze an attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) child? or an conduct disorder child? or oppositional defiant disorder child? Children who suffer from behavior disorders are at a higher risk for school failure, suicide, and mental health problems and you're saying it's okay to taze a child who's out of control? I'm shocked at your response.
it doesn't kill and it doesn't cause damage. I think you're associating tazer with death electric chair and electric prod as torture device. It's understandable but it's not the same.
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The lack of spanking is the reason why kids are acting out and behaving like spoiled brats.

It's the bleeding heart people who tell parents not to spank their kids and with the stupid laws on the books, parents are ending up in jail for disciplining their children. Kids has more rights than the parents do.

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It has gone from any kind of spanking to no spanking at all.

I think spanking is okay, as long as it's not abused or overdone.
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Unread 11-18-2009, 06:19 PM   #41 (permalink)
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it doesn't kill and it doesn't cause damage. I think you're associating tazer with death electric chair and electric prod as torture device. It's understandable but it's not the same.
This method is just another mean of using pain as a punitive measure. At its level, it is similar to a needle prick, slap on hand or face, spanking on butt, or twisting the arm behind.

However for kids with CD or ODD, such punishment only aggravates the problem, not helping at all.

At least, the mayor is asking to have an investigation in this matter.
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This method is just another mean of using pain as a punitive measure. At its level, it is similar to a needle prick, slap on hand or face, spanking on butt, or twisting the arm behind.

However for kids with CD or ODD, such punishment only aggravates the problem, not helping at all.
well - the situation got resolved very quickly and peacefully. Problem Solved!

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At least, the mayor is asking to have an investigation in this matter.
only for political reason... re-election, remember?
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it doesn't kill and it doesn't cause damage. I think you're associating tazer with death electric chair and electric prod as torture device. It's understandable but it's not the same.
Right. it isn't the same. But for me, i am not comfortable to see some lightly electric thingy on kids. I do not know how strong the taser is on kids especially.
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Right. it isn't the same. But for me, i am not comfortable to see some lightly electric thingy on kids. I do not know how strong the taser is on kids especially.
it has different setting. this is what was said in the article -

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The officer says they then "administered a very, very brief drive stun to her back with the Taser. She immediately stopped resisting and was placed into handcuffs."
the situation ended peacefully without resistance. nobody got hurt. nobody got sent to hospital. everybody's fine and dandy.
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it doesn't kill and it doesn't cause damage. I think you're associating tazer with death electric chair and electric prod as torture device. It's understandable but it's not the same.
Tazing a child solve nothing. This is not the first time that the mother had called the cops on her 10 years old daughter, instead of involving the cops, the mother should have got her 10 years old daughter's behavior problem addressed by a psychologist. I've also heard that the father is going to fight for custody of his daughter, maybe he will do better job for his daughter than the mother. Law enforcement should not be involved in disciplining a child.
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Tazing a child solve nothing. This is not the first time that the mother had called the cops on her 10 years old daughter, instead of involving the cops, the mother should have got her 10 years old daughter's behavior problem addressed by a psychologist. I've also heard that the father is going to fight for custody of his daughter, maybe he will do better job for his daughter than the mother had done. Law enforcement should not be involved in disciplining a child, it's the parents job, not the police.
not my problem and not your problem. we have no business in telling her what to do with her child. We'll throw in an advice for her and it's up to her to take it or not.
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it doesn't kill and it doesn't cause damage..
What's next? Police taser a newborn for refusing to stop crying? I just cannot believe a full grown police officer cannot subdue a 10 years old without a taser, And for the mother who says it's okay to tazed her 10 years old, no wondered why her child is messed up.
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What's next? Police taser a newborn for refusing to stop crying?
I don't see why not......

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I just cannot believe a full grown police officer cannot subdue a 10 years old without a taser, And for the mother who says it's okay to tazed her 10 years old, no wondered why her child is messed up.
who knows?



j/k about my 1st comment. that's rather appalling.
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I don't see why not......
I knew you were going to say that, cop-lover.
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In 1960's, I was 9 or 10 years old. Newspaper delivery with small truck was anti competition with many newspaper boys (used to ride bike). Small truck is kind like very small UPS truck or old day milk delivery truck. Many kids started threw snowball at newspaper delivery's small truck. I joined with kids to have fun to throw at newspaper delivery truck.

Other day, we saw extra people inside rear truck. They shot us by sling shot. Hit me down. I got hurt on my left side of chest at near left arm/shoulder. Many parents made report to cop. The cop had nothing to do with newspaper delivery.

Cop said that many kids did pest on newspaper delivery. They wanted us to learn lesson and stop to throw at newspaper delivery.

I RATHER THAT THEY SHOOT ME WITH HIS TAZER BETTER THAN SLING SHOT.


When I was 12 years old. Newspaper truck was on way to our neighbor. I was hid behind bushes. It was approx 40 feet distance. I threw little rock to hit big guy's teeth. They did not catch me.

Next few days later, they rumor about bully guy got serious injury on his teeth. My parents asked me, "Did you revenage him back?" My mom said that cost him $3000 for teeth repair. I said, "No, I was not there. You know I was at grandma's house on thursday evening". They never find who did.
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In 1960's, I was 9 or 10 years old. Newspaper delivery with small truck was anti competition with many newspaper boys (used to ride bike). Small truck is kind like very small UPS truck or old day milk delivery truck. Many kids started threw snowball at newspaper delivery's small truck. I joined with kids to have fun to throw at newspaper delivery truck.

Other day, we saw extra people inside rear truck. They shot us by sling shot. Hit me down. I got hurt on my left side of chest at near left arm/shoulder. Many parents made report to cop. The cop had nothing to do with newspaper delivery.

Cop said that many kids did pest on newspaper delivery. They wanted us to learn lesson and stop to throw at newspaper delivery.

I RATHER THAT THEY SHOOT ME WITH HIS TAZER BETTER THAN SLING SHOT.


When I was 12 years old. Newspaper truck was on way to our neighbor. I was hid behind bushes. It was approx 40 feet distance. I threw little rock to hit big guy's teeth. They did not catch me.

Next few days later, they rumor about bully guy got serious injury on his teeth. My parents asked me, "Did you revenage him back?" My mom said that cost him $3000 for teeth repair. I said, "No, I was not there. You know I was at grandma's house on thursday evening". They never find who did.
are you kidding!!
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are you kidding!!

I am serious to tell true. I never forget "my mom said teeth repair $3000" for rest my life. They shot from his sling shot. That's very pain and bruise. What if, they hit my eye or fingers with rock or big BB. I do not want to be blind and deaf for rest my life.

I threw small rock to hit his teeth. Other day, they did search at near our neighbor. They pissed off and wanted someone pay for his teeth repair. They never find person who did throw rock. It was me.

This sling shot is worst than Tazer. The cop will not shoot tazer at your face. They will shoot on chest or leg. Feel electric shock for very few seconds.



Some people does not know what is sling shot. I show a picture.

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I would have just left her curled up in a ball to sleep there all night. No cops, no tasers required. End of story!!!
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I would have just left her curled up in a ball to sleep there all night. No cops, no tasers required. End of story!!!
Exactly.... just remove any sources of power struggles...
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......This sling shot is worst than Tazer. The cop will not shoot tazer at your face. They will shoot on chest or leg. Feel electric shock for very few seconds.



Some people does not know what is sling shot. I show a picture.

That is actually known as a wrist rocket.

This is what a sling shot looks like. Wrist rockets are more powerful that slingshots due to their design.

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The cop will not shoot tazer at your face. They will shoot on chest or leg. Feel electric shock for very few seconds.
I beg the difference, there was a story about a 14 years old girl in New Mexico who was hit in the head and her hip by a firing taser dart that the police officer had used on her.

There's another story about a 12 years old girl who was jolted by a stun gun with 50,000 volts by a police officer in Miami.

There are many stories out there where children been tazed by police officers.

Police officers do have tasers which emit a 50,000-volt electric shock, would that trigger a heart attack in those children? You bet it would. I think it's so ridiculous to use it on children who are unarmed.
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I beg the difference, there was a story about a 14 years old girl in New Mexico who was hit in the head and her hip by a firing taser dart that the police officer had used on her.

There's another story about a 12 years old girl who was jolted by a stun gun with 50,000 volts by a police officer in Miami.

There are many stories out there where children been tazed by police officers.

Police officers do have tasers which emit a 50,000-volt electric shock, would that trigger a heart attack in those children? You bet it would. I think it's so ridiculous to use it on children who are unarmed.
Yep, you are correct about 50,000 volt. That's pretty high for young children since their bodies are very fragile. I still opposed that taser thing. It really bugs me to see the cops using their tasers on young children and elderly people.
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In the old days 10 y/o were not beaten or tasered. As I remember it, parents were more strick and neighbors were just as bad if you were at their house and screwed up.

It's obvious that this child has something wrong to make her this violent. It is possible that there is some underlying mental issue or maybe this child has had to deal with being abused and then just snapped. We will never know, but there was no need to taser the poor child. The officer should have called for additional help and for child services as well.

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