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kokonut · 12-23-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by flip

Even glaciers covering mount everest in himalaya is melting at a rapid rate. But it's all okay according to Koknut. Even when natural diasters becomes the norm, Koknut will stay out there in his raincoat, tied to his house with a rope, and tell us to calm down, it's all normal, nature have allways been like this, it's just some minor activities at the sun, lol.

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Himalayan glaciers 'melting fast'

About that Himalayan glaciers "melting fast" might want to check here first.
chron.Commons Blog | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

Don't worry, glaciers will be around.

netrox · 12-23-2009, 05:28 PM

Today, it's 71 degrees outside which is one of the warmest on record. The average is actually 10 degrees colder - which means it should have been 61 here today!

Too bad, it's too hot to use a fireplace.

**Beowulf** · 12-23-2009, 05:56 PM

Here in St. Louis we are to get our first snow on Christmas. Weird, huh?

**deafskeptic** · 12-23-2009, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Here in St. Louis we are to get our first snow on Christmas. Weird, huh?

Ditto here. I have not had a white Christmas since I was 3 months old and it looks like we will have a white Christmas in VA this year even though the snow is melting a bit.

kokonut · 12-26-2009, 08:35 PM

Nearly two-thirds of the US was blanketed with snow by Christmas time. Even Dallas, TX experienced their first white Christmas since 1926.
Most widespread white Christmas in at least 6 yrs; Dallas and Oklahoma City defeat all odds

White Christmas turns into a headache for some | National news | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

**saywhatkid** · 12-26-2009, 09:14 PM

I noticed all the squirrels shopping at Goodwill, buying wool socks to use as jackets.

**Banjo** · 12-26-2009, 09:38 PM

It was quite a rainy Christmas day yesterday and today. Although our Christmas couldn't had been any better.

kokonut · 12-26-2009, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by saywhatkid

I noticed all the squirrels shopping at Goodwill, buying wool socks to use as jackets.

Too much eggnog for you.

kokonut · 01-17-2010, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by flip

Even glaciers covering mount everest in himalaya is melting at a rapid rate. But it's all okay according to Koknut. Even when natural diasters becomes the norm, Koknut will stay out there in his raincoat, tied to his house with a rope, and tell us to calm down, it's all normal, nature have allways been like this, it's just some minor activities at the sun, lol.

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Himalayan glaciers 'melting fast'

Oops. IPCC to withdraw claim that Anthropogenic Global Warming will wipe out Himalayan glaciers by 2035.

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A WARNING that climate change will melt most of the Himalayan glaciers by 2035 is likely to be retracted after a series of scientific blunders by the United Nations body that issued it.

Two years ago the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) issued a benchmark report that was claimed to incorporate the latest and most detailed research into the impact of global warming. A central claim was the world’s glaciers were melting so fast that those in the Himalayas could vanish by 2035.

In the past few days the scientists behind the warning have admitted that it was based on a news story in the New Scientist, a popular science journal, published eight years before the IPCC’s 2007 report.

Seems like the IPCC has some reading-comprehension problems, too:

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The IPCC’s reliance on Hasnain’s 1999 interview has been highlighted by Fred Pearce, the journalist who carried out the original interview for the New Scientist. Pearce said he rang Hasnain in India in 1999 after spotting his claims in an Indian magazine. Pearce said: “Hasnain told me then that he was bringing a report containing those numbers to Britain. The report had not been peer reviewed or formally published in a scientific journal and it had no formal status so I reported his work on that basis.

“Since then I have obtained a copy and it does not say what Hasnain said. In other words it does not mention 2035 as a date by which any Himalayan glaciers will melt. However, he did make clear that his comments related only to part of the Himalayan glaciers. not the whole massif.”

World misled over Himalayan glacier meltdown - Times Online

netrox · 01-17-2010, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Oops. IPCC to withdraw claim that Anthropogenic Global Warming will wipe out Himalayan glaciers by 2035.

Seems like the IPCC has some reading-comprehension problems, too:

World misled over Himalayan glacier meltdown - Times Online

That's the thing about IPCC... if it recognize an error, it will retract and correct. That's what science is all about.

If you're wrong, would you admit? Nope.

kokonut · 01-17-2010, 02:41 PM

Pretty shows how incompetent the IPCC is and that it's not about science but a policy they're trying to enforce in the name of politics. Nothing more.

netrox · 01-20-2010, 01:36 PM

No, it's YOU being incompetent:

"Himalayan Glacier Goof-up: More fake ammo for the climate denial industry
New Scientist runs story with misquoted scientist, then falsely claims IPCC 'debate.'"

Himalayan Glacier Goof-up: More fake ammo for the climate denial industry | MNN - Mother Nature Network

Anything to make people believe their lies.

kokonut · 01-20-2010, 09:06 PM

Key phrase that's a dead give away on how they still trying to push the global warming as caused by man agenda by calling people "climate denial" as part of that industry. Use of ad homenim attacks do not inspire confidence in a science debate.

Hmm...MNN? No wonder.

kokonut · 01-20-2010, 09:13 PM

In a January 20, 2010 (today) letter from the IPCC on the melting of Himalayan glaciers:

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The Synthesis Report, the concluding document of the Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (page 49) stated: “Climate change is expected to exacerbate current stresses on water resources from population growth and economic and land-use change, including urbanisation. On a regional scale, mountain snow pack, glaciers and small ice caps play a crucial role in freshwater availability. Widespread mass losses from glaciers and reductions in snow cover over recent decades are projected to accelerate throughout the 21st century, reducing water availability, hydropower potential, and changing seasonality of flows in regions supplied by meltwater from major mountain ranges (e.g. Hindu-Kush, Himalaya, Andes), where more than one-sixth of the world population currently lives.”

This conclusion is robust, appropriate, and entirely consistent with the underlying science and the broader IPCC assessment.

It has, however, recently come to our attention that a paragraph in the 938-page Working Group II contribution to the underlying assessment2 refers to poorly substantiated estimates of rate of recession and date for the disappearance of Himalayan glaciers. In drafting the paragraph in question, the clear and well-established standards of evidence, required by the IPCC procedures, were not applied properly.

The Chair, Vice-Chairs, and Co-chairs of the IPCC regret the poor application of well-established IPCC procedures in this instance. This episode demonstrates that the quality of the assessment depends on absolute adherence to the IPCC standards, including thorough review of “the quality and validity of each source before incorporating results from the source into an IPCC Report” 3. We reaffirm our strong commitment to ensuring this level of performance.

The Chair, Vice-Chairs, and Co-chairs of the IPCC regret the poor application of well-established IPCC procedures in this instance. This episode demonstrates that the quality of the assessment depends on absolute adherence to the IPCC standards, including thorough review of “the quality and validity of each source before incorporating results from the source into an IPCC Report” 3. We reaffirm our strong commitment to ensuring this level of performance.

A classic cya (cover yer ass) moment.

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/presentations...anuary2010.pdf

kokonut · 01-20-2010, 09:24 PM

World misled over Himalayan glacier meltdown - Times Online

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However, glaciologists find such figures inherently ludicrous, pointing out that most Himalayan glaciers are hundreds of feet thick and could not melt fast enough to vanish by 2035 unless there was a huge global temperature rise. The maximum rate of decline in thickness seen in glaciers at the moment is 2-3 feet a year and most are far lower.

And by 2035 glaciers, if they continue to melt and retreat from now til 2035, would've retreated 50 to 75 feet. Yeah....gone, poof! In 25 years. Assuming by then we're still warming up but by all indication we have not warmed up over the last 11 years.

netrox · 01-20-2010, 09:27 PM

"cover your ass?" You're so cynical.

Also, you failed to grasp that it was JUST ONE paragraph OUT Of 938-pages!!! It shows how extremely biased and warped your mentality is. Anything that contains a minor error or mistake, you blow it out of proportion.

I don't like people who make a mountain out of a mole. They got issues.

kokonut · 01-20-2010, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by netrox

"cover your ass?" You're so cynical.

Also, you failed to grasp that it was JUST ONE paragraph OUT Of 938-pages!!! It shows how extremely biased and warped your mentality is. Anything that contains a minor error or mistake, you blow it out of proportion.

I don't like people who make a mountain out of a mole. They got issues.

You don't understand. This was a *central claim* of the IPCC that the world’s glaciers were melting so fast and used the Himalayas glaciers as "proof" that they could vanish by 2035.

All this was based on a news story in the New Scientist published just eight years ago before the IPCC’s 2007 report. And we learned that this was based on a short telephone interview with Syed Hasnain, a little-known Indian scientist then based at Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi. It was just a claim based on “speculation” and not supported by any formal research. The IPCC had to retract that statement only because others discovered this glaring error and made it public.

So much for "scientific consensus" when not using proper scientific protocols.

netrox · 01-20-2010, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

You don't understand. This was a *central claim* of the IPCC that the world’s glaciers were melting so fast and used the Himalayas glaciers as "proof" that they could vanish by 2035.

IPCC still stands by its conclusion, you decided that one error in one paragraph out of 900+ pages invalidates the conclusion.

In other words, you're telling us that IPCC realized that the glaciers aren't melting and retracted the whole conclusion. That's incorrect. IPCC is STILL concluding that the glaciers are melting.

kokonut · 01-20-2010, 09:58 PM

UN abandons climate change deadline

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The timetable to reach a global deal to tackle climate change lay in tatters on Wednesday after the UN waived the first deadline of the process laid out at last month’s fractious Copenhagen summit.

Nations agreed then to declare their emissions reduction targets by the end of this month. Developed countries would state their intended cuts by 2020: developing countries would outline how they would curb emissions growth.

But Yvo de Boer, the UN’s senior climate change official, admitted that the deadline had in effect been shelved.

FT.com / Global Economy - UN abandons climate change deadline

Global warming claim continues to crater. If it's such a dire thing coming down the road why it is shelved? Because the whole thing is nonsense.

**Foxrac** · 01-20-2010, 10:05 PM

Why cares about climate? climate is climate, period.

kokonut · 01-20-2010, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by netrox

IPCC still stands by its conclusion, you decided that one error in one paragraph out of 900+ pages invalidates the conclusion.

In other words, you're telling us that IPCC realized that the glaciers aren't melting and retracted the whole conclusion. That's incorrect. IPCC is STILL concluding that the glaciers are melting.

There's a difference between melting and disappearing. Not all glaciers are melting. Many continue to gain grounds. Even one glacier inside a famous volcano continues to grow!

As for the Himalayas glaciers?

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Himalayan Glaciers Seem to Be Growing
In the Western Himalayas, a group of some 230 glaciers are bucking the global warming trend.

Himalayan Glaciers Seem to Be Growing : Discovery News

Yeah, sure looks like they're melting alright. IPCC needs glasses.

netrox · 01-20-2010, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

UN abandons climate change deadline

Global warming claim continues to crater. If it's such a dire thing coming down the road why it is shelved? Because the whole thing is nonsense.

It's the economy, stupid!

When you're broke, you don't give a damn.

kokonut · 01-21-2010, 02:03 AM

Nah, because they knew it was all hokey stuff and tried to push this voodoo stuff on people because Earth was gonna boil over or something. No emergency here. It was all fake and they knew it. They needed an excuse.

kokonut · 01-23-2010, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by netrox

IPCC still stands by its conclusion, you decided that one error in one paragraph out of 900+ pages invalidates the conclusion.

In other words, you're telling us that IPCC realized that the glaciers aren't melting and retracted the whole conclusion. That's incorrect. IPCC is STILL concluding that the glaciers are melting.

More errors found.

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The Indian head of the UN climate change panel defended his position yesterday even as further errors were identified in the panel's assessment of Himalayan glaciers.
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But he admitted that there may have been other errors in the same section of the report, and said that he was considering whether to take action against those responsible.

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A table below says that between 1845 and 1965, the Pindari Glacier shrank by 2,840m — a rate of 135.2m a year. The actual rate is only 23.5m a year.

The section says Himalayan glaciers are “receding faster than in any other part of the world” when many glaciologists say they are melting at about the same rate.

An entire paragraph is also attributed to the World Wildlife Fund, when only one sentence came from it, and the IPCC is not supposed to use such advocacy groups as sources.

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“It was a collective failure by a number of people,” he said. “I need to consider what action to take, but that will take several weeks. It’s best to think with a cool head, rather than shoot from the hip.”

UN climate change expert: there could be more errors in report - Times Online

Think with a "cool head"? And not "shoot from the hip"? Kind of like calling people "deniers" while knowing full well IPCC's own glacier report is nothing more than a hoax?

Yeah. Keep up with the ad hominem attacks rather than argue purely on the basis of science and its accepted methodologies and protocols that come with it.

kokonut · 01-27-2010, 06:59 AM

hmmm..... more glaciers growing in various parts of the world.

12 more glaciers that haven?t heard the news about global warming | IHatetheMedia

hmmm....another lie or disinformation from the IPCC about the Amazon forest?

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Here’s the latest development, courtesy of Dr Richard North – and it’s a cracker. It seems that, not content with having lied to us about shrinking glaciers, increasing hurricanes, and rising sea levels, the IPCC’s latest assessment report also told us a complete load of porkies about the danger posed by climate change to the Amazon rainforest.

This is to be found in Chapter 13 of the Working Group II report, the same part of the IPCC fourth assessment report in which the “Glaciergate” claims are made. There, is the startling claim that:

“Up to 40%of theAmazonian forests could react drastically to even a slight reduction in precipitation; this means that the tropical vegetation, hydrology and climate system in South America could change very rapidly to another steady state, not necessarily producing gradual changes between the current and the future situation (Rowell and Moore, 2000). It is more probable that forests will be replaced by ecosystems that have more resistance to multiple stresses caused by temperature increase, droughts and fires, such as tropical savannas.”

At first sight, the reference looks kosher enough but, following it through, one sees:
Rowell, A. and P.F. Moore, 2000: Global Review of Forest Fires. WWF/IUCN,
Gland, Switzerland, 66 pp. http://www.iucn.org/themes/fcp/publications

/files/global_review_forest_fires.pdf.
This, then appears to be another WWF report, carried out in conjunction with the IUCN – The International Union for Conservation of Nature.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...te-amazongate/

The WWF is not a university or research center. It is the World Wildlife Fund, an environmentalist advocacy group. Dr. Rowell is a policy analysis, not research. Where are the peer-reviewed, legitimate research by professional scientists that the IPCC espoused so much that are lacking in their own reports?

The implosion continues for the IPCC's masterful climate muck ups to try and fool people.

**Reba** · 02-06-2010, 05:33 PM

More global warming?

FOXNews.com - Epic Snowstorm Batters Mid-Atlantic Region

kokonut · 04-17-2012, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by netrox

IPCC still stands by its conclusion, you decided that one error in one paragraph out of 900+ pages invalidates the conclusion.

In other words, you're telling us that IPCC realized that the glaciers aren't melting and retracted the whole conclusion. That's incorrect. IPCC is STILL concluding that the glaciers are melting.

Some Himalayan glaciers actually growing, scientists find | Fox News

Gee...

**saywhatkid** · 04-17-2012, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Some Himalayan glaciers actually growing, scientists find | Fox News

Gee...

And warm winters across the US.
Winter of 2012 Named 4th-Warmest for US | Unusual Weather & Climate | Temperature Records | LiveScience

What does it all mean?

kokonut · 04-17-2012, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by saywhatkid

And warm winters across the US.
Winter of 2012 Named 4th-Warmest for US | Unusual Weather & Climate | Temperature Records | LiveScience

What does it all mean?

That weather changes....

But don't stop there...in Eastern Europe temperatures have been among the coldest with incredible amounts of snow. I guess you didn't hear that sub-zero temperatures swept across Europe in this year's winter?

**saywhatkid** · 04-18-2012, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

That weather changes....

But don't stop there...in Eastern Europe temperatures have been among the coldest with incredible amounts of snow. I guess you didn't hear that sub-zero temperatures swept across Europe in this year's winter?

Of course. They can have it!

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kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15,348	Pretty shows how incompetent the IPCC is and that it's not about science but a policy they're trying to enforce in the name of politics. Nothing more. __________________ Before AD. After AD. "Restriction on free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us." -Thurgood Marshall, former Supreme Court Justice "... turns out they are telling the truth."

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kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15,348	Key phrase that's a dead give away on how they still trying to push the global warming as caused by man agenda by calling people "climate denial" as part of that industry. Use of ad homenim attacks do not inspire confidence in a science debate. Hmm...MNN? No wonder. __________________ Before AD. After AD. "Restriction on free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us." -Thurgood Marshall, former Supreme Court Justice "... turns out they are telling the truth."

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netrox Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,780	Today, it's 71 degrees outside which is one of the warmest on record. The average is actually 10 degrees colder - which means it should have been 61 here today! Too bad, it's too hot to use a fireplace.

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Beowulf Premium Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 10,515	Here in St. Louis we are to get our first snow on Christmas. Weird, huh?

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Banjo Expelled Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 11,650	It was quite a rainy Christmas day yesterday and today. Although our Christmas couldn't had been any better.

01-20-2010, 01:36 PM	#102 (permalink)
netrox Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,780	No, it's YOU being incompetent: "Himalayan Glacier Goof-up: More fake ammo for the climate denial industry New Scientist runs story with misquoted scientist, then falsely claims IPCC 'debate.'" Himalayan Glacier Goof-up: More fake ammo for the climate denial industry \| MNN - Mother Nature Network Anything to make people believe their lies.

01-20-2010, 09:27 PM	#106 (permalink)
netrox Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,780	"cover your ass?" You're so cynical. Also, you failed to grasp that it was JUST ONE paragraph OUT Of 938-pages!!! It shows how extremely biased and warped your mentality is. Anything that contains a minor error or mistake, you blow it out of proportion. I don't like people who make a mountain out of a mole. They got issues.

01-21-2010, 02:03 AM	#113 (permalink)
kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15,348	Nah, because they knew it was all hokey stuff and tried to push this voodoo stuff on people because Earth was gonna boil over or something. No emergency here. It was all fake and they knew it. They needed an excuse. __________________ Before AD. After AD. "Restriction on free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us." -Thurgood Marshall, former Supreme Court Justice "... turns out they are telling the truth."

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