Originally Posted by Reba

Do you have any proof that Palin herself shot any animals from a helicopter?

Nope, didn't happen.

Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

McCain wanted to run with Mitt Romney , but the GOP Party thought it was a bad idea as Mitt is a Mormon. McCain may had win if pick Mitt, so I am glad McCain pick Palin!

Originally Posted by inspirabull

Some things happen by mistake and some don't. Chew on this notion a minute or two and you will start to wonder just like I did. Shortly before the VP choice by McCain this happened: General Colin Powell endorsed Barack Obama. I puzzled over this a little right up until Sarah Palin was announced to be McCain's choice. Major General Colin Powell as McCain's VP. He was waiting to be asked. That was in the news. He wasn't asked. Palin was. If it had been the other way around? McCain would have won. Tight race but he would have won. They lost on purpose and gave a first class American one more dipping as a slap in the face farewell. And gave us Sarah Palin. Compare the two. A first time governor with no experience outside of Alaska except a college career no-one would advertise, compared to Major General Colin Powell?
So why did they lose on purpose? Exactly why is happening now: the policy direction that Obama is on was started by them, as unfortunate as it is there is no other way to stave off a real depression. This policy is one born of desperation not choice. How it is done has to be done by the Democrats, the Republican party only knows how to pander to big business interests and they follow that course exceedingly well. The same business
interests that just have just freshly raped our economy with unrestrained gusto for eight years.
They are not in the business of looking towards the interests of all of the rest of us. We are here to pay for their fancy homes and big office buildings and most of all their entitled lifestyles. And we will do that. It is a beautiful thing: taxes that have to go up will be blamed on the Democrats. It is pretty amazing watching these professional criminals at work- they are the very best.

Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

Agreed, but we must move on and face what we're faced with now. Palin as President would be a nightmare.

Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

She's dumb as a stump.

'Nuff said.

Originally Posted by darkdog

I applied my vast libraries of knowledge and all the power of my brain to figuring out what this all means and why she's doing it. Yeah, I got nothing. I have a few speculations, but they're no more likely to be right than anyone else's speculations. We'll just have to await new information to reduce uncertainty.


Obama has to commit a high crime or misdemeanor to get impeached. You can't impeach a guy for having bad policies.


The electors are sent by the people of the states to vote in the electoral college. Are you saying Bush's electors should have betrayed the voters by voting for the other guy? That sounds incredibly unfair.

The electoral college was set up to give the voters in the less populous states more of a voice than they would in a popular majority vote. That way, the candidates can't just focus on the concerns of the big cities while ignoring the less populous rural areas.


Why the hate-mongering?

Originally Posted by inspirabull

The only way she can have a real shot is not to be in a genuine position. She is not a diplomat - if someone doesn't do it her way they get hashed. She typically does as she pleases and will accumulate mud like a hog in a wallow.
She is completely a talker and a face, the actual business of leadership is not there. She is extremely shrewd in some ways and has the true spirit of megalomania to carry her through where others would balk. To underestimate her is a huge mistake. There is something about her that makes people want to get onboard, it is downright spooky how happy they are to do so too. Especially when you check out how little it is based on. Remember these words okay?

Originally Posted by darkage

Oh my god.... You are blind and deaf!!!

Ask your hearing friends.
My parents, sons and co-workers knew about this story.

Why does Palin shoot moose from an airplane? What kind of "hunting" is THAT!!!? - Yahoo! Answers

Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

Why pick on a poor stump!

Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

I know it is down right spooky the way people go wild over her! It scare the F****** crap out of me that people want to vote for her! I hate to say it but it almost the way Hitler got people to go wild over him! People become braindead when they're Sarah!

Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

Prank phone call made to Palin!

Originally Posted by Reba

Hate is not constructive for anyone, and there is no justification for it. There are many politicians that I don't agree with but I would not say that I hate any of them.

Originally Posted by Foxrac

Come on, you can whine whatever you want but it won't change and Obama has been in office for almost 7 month, you need get deal with it or go live in middle east.

Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

. . . When a reporter asked Sarah about her foreign experience, she said (when) she was in another country, her jet had to refuel and it was in (an) airport for few hours. She calls sitting in a jet in another country's airport a foreign experience! I (have) been to Mexico and I can see the moon from my deck, so I have qualities to be a president and an astronaut! And I thought of astronaut joke before I heard Jay Leno say it on TV! (edits by pek1)

Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

The wolf is an intelligent, handsome creature and, for many visitors to Alaska, an integral part of the state’s wild appeal. Wolves live in complex social structures, mate for life and don’t attack humans — it’s easy to see in them the family resemblance to mankind’s best friend.

That’s what makes it so painful to look at the video of an aerial wolfhunt in Alaska that has been circulating since Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin was nominated as Sen. John McCain’s running mate on the Republican ticket.

In a program begun by ex-Gov. Frank Murkowski, and intensified by Palin, Alaska has sponsored the aerial hunting of more than 800 wolves since 2002 — out of a state population of perhaps 9,000. Pilots chase the wolves through the deep snow, sometimes for miles, until the exhausted animals have slowed enough to be blown away with shotguns. Then the plane lands and finishes the job, unless the wounded wolf has managed to crawl into the deep woods to bleed to death in solitude.

Palin, who won office with the support of powerful hunting groups, has intensified the “cull.” She pushed to offer a bounty to hunters who brought in a left wolf paw (lopped off with a chain saw) and extended the kill order to grizzly and black bears — including sows and their cubs. Before a state court ruled the practice illegal, she offered a bounty of $150 for every slain wolf.

Hunting groups support the program, arguing that it increases the availability of game for poor Alaskans, and the sporting chances of hunters like Sarah and Todd Palin themselves, who have their sights set on moose. But wildlife viewing brings far more tourist dollars to the state, where only 14 percent of the population hunts.


Grey wolf (U.S. Fish and Wildlife Services)
As John Toppenberg of the Alaskan Wildlife Alliance puts it, the 60,000 square miles where the cull takes place are mainly used by “fat-ass trophy hunters on all-terrain vehicles, not Native peoples who need them for subsistence, with rare exceptions.”

Critics say Palin has shown a strong bias for hunters. Her staff recently wrote a statute that would permit her hand-picked Board of Game, whose seven members all favor killing predators, to operate without written guidelines. Another bill, currently undergoing legal review, would prohibit Alaskans from putting pro-wildlife propositions on the ballot, by declaring wildlife a “state asset” whose fate can be determined only by the state .

To fight a ballot measure against the hunt, Palin’s government spent $400,000 to produce a report countering arguments that the hunt is inhumane and scientifically dubious. Meanwhile, 174 members of the American Society of Mammalogists wrote to Palin, unsuccessfully, to ask her to reevaluate the science.

In 1996 and 2000, Alaskans voted in favor of ballot initiatives to end the aerial hunt. This time, Lt. Governor Sean Parnell put the measure on the primary ballot, ensuring that Republicans — who were turning out in larger-then-usual numbers to vote on their scandal-ridden congressman and senator — would make up the bulk of the voters.

In the Aug. 26 primary, the measure to end aerial predator hunting failed winning only 44 percent of the vote. Parnell’s special assistant, Jason Hooley, said the state was obliged by new statutory language to put the measure on the primary ballot.

Many hunters oppose the aerial kills as cruel and unfair. Interestingly, the stomach-churning film that is circulating on YouTube (it was produced by Defenders of Wildlife), in fact depicts government hunters shooting wolves with tranquilizer darts, in order to study them. “The reality is much more gruesome,” says Toppenberg. “They get hit with buckshot, it goes right through and their blood splatters all over the snow.”

The hunts often take out alpha males, leaving younger animals that don’t know where to make dens or find ungulates at certain times of the year. “Then you have them going into rural villages and eating dogs,” Toppenberg said. “You’re creating wolf problems rather than solving them.”

The program was disturbing enough to have provoked Rep. George Miller (D-Calif.) last year to introduce legislation designed to curtail predator-control programs, except as a last resort. Palin denounced the bill, applauding her own programs as “widely recognized for their excellence and effectiveness.”

But Steve Stringham, a wildlife biologist and author of six books about bears, says Alaska has never established what numbers of moose and caribou can be sustained by the environment. If they shoot too many wolves and bears, he noted, “the potential for overgrazing may be high.”

Stringham has lived closely with Alaskan wildlife. He spent the winter of 1972 in the Wrangell Mountains, 100 miles from the nearest grocer. Bagging a moose for eating was a matter of life and death. “In those situations you don’t have a great appreciation for wolves, until you bag your moose. Then you don’t mind the wolves so much.”

He has raised orphaned wolf pups, and had friendly wild wolves sit a few feet away from him. He’s also been out snowshoeing when packs of wolves surrounded him, a harrowing experience. “Part of you is saying to yourself, ‘There’s never been a reported case of wolves attacking and killing a human in North America.’ The other part of you is going, ‘Of course, this wouldn’t be a reported case either.’”

“But trophy hunters were a bigger problem. Before I got my moose I felt like shooting the damn trophy hunters out of the air. “

I reached wildlife biologist Vic Van Ballenberghe on his cellphone in vast Denali National Park, where he’s spent parts of the past 28 years observing moose. Van Ballenberghe is sickened by the atavistic hunting of predators from airplanes, but he’s also worried that willy-nilly wolf slaughter will hurt the moose and caribou.

When moose and caribou get too numerous and overbrowse, the plants don’t grow as well and the resulting food shortage can weaken the animals, leading to disease outbreaks. In the 1970s and ’80s, the slaughter of wolves in the Tanana Flats area, south of Fairbanks, led the moose population to explode from about 2,800 to the current level of 17,000. The moose in that area are sick, Van Ballenberghe said. “We’re waiting for a bad winter and that population will crash.”

The current predator-control program reminds Van Ballenberghe of the 1930s, when Alaskans shot, poisoned and ran down as many wolves and bears as they could. “Blasting wolves from an airplane is not something most people think is a good practice,” he says. “ You can call it anything you want but it’s a pretty ugly business.”

And there’s no convincing evidence that moose or caribou populations are particularly low in most of the area where the hunt is taking place. “Hunters always say there’s not enough game,” said Van Ballenberghe. “No matter how much there is, they always want more.”

In the recent campaign, hunting groups sent fliers to every voter in the state — warning that wolves would kill their dogs, threaten their kids and take food off the table. Some voters found the wording of the initiative confusing.

“We got more than a hundred calls from people who said they’d mistakenly voted the wrong way,” says Toppenberg. Hooley, Parnell’s spokesman, said the wording of the measure had been in place since 2005 and was well-reviewed by its proponents.

Palin’s dismal environmental record makes environmentalists cringe. She’s not convinced that global warming is man-made, sued to stop the listing of polar bears as an endangered species, and moved forward a mining plan that some believe threatens wildlife in Bristol Bay—her daughter’s namesake.

None of this seems to bug Alaskans overmuch. “We’ve got a lot of, ‘Kill them all, let God sort ‘em out’ mentality up here,” says Toppenberg, who was a cop in Colorado before moving to Alaska in the 1990s. “Hopefully, the lower 48 will become aware of the extremeness of Sara Palin’s positions. She’s for cut, kill and drill. Frankly, that’s not even good for tourism.”

Sarah Support aerial wolfhunt and in my book that just as bad Sarah doing it herself! And Sarah did say she aerial wolfhunt ! She is threat to all wildlife! She made me sick!

Originally Posted by Reba

No, I'm not blind nor deaf and I can use my critical reading skills. I suggest you do the same.

I read your link. It has no proof that Palin shot moose from an airplane. It's not a "story." It's a forum of people tossing around their unfounded opinions.

Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

'cuz it rhymes with the word "dumb".

Originally Posted by pek1

Originally Posted by darkdog

1. Clinton did not get impeached for being caught with his pants down. He got impeached for perjuring himself in a sexual harassment lawsuit. He lied about it under oath. If you or I did that, we would be charged with a felony and face prison time.

Originally Posted by pek1

Originally Posted by netrox

And you still think Palin would be a great president for this country when she is NOT capable of completing her term as a governor?!

Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

'cuz it rhymes with the word "dumb".

Originally Posted by Reba

Some people could say the same things about Obama.


It's a shame that you can't express yourself without using vulgarity.

Originally Posted by darkdog

So if I understand you right, she fell for a prank phone call, therefore we should hate her. That's just weak.

I think it's best to avoid hate for anyone. You can disagree with a person or even dislike them, but to downright hate someone only leads to irrationality.

Originally Posted by pek1

Originally Posted by pek1

Originally Posted by pek1

Originally Posted by pek1