Abortion Doctor Shot Dead

rockin'robin · 05-31-2009, 07:09 PM

Police have arrested a suspect in the killing at church of a controversial abortion doctor, George Tiller, multiple sources told ABC News' Pierre Thomas.

Tiller, 67, was shot and killed this morning in the lobby of the Reformation Lutheran Church in Wichita, Kan., where he served as an usher and his wife, Jean, sang in the choir. Tiller was handing out programs at Sunday services at the time of the shooting.

The suspect, who has not been named, was picked up and arrested without incident by Johnson County Sheriff Department around 1:15 p.m., local time, law enforcement officials told ABC News. Deputies identified the light blue 1990s Ford Taurus, which witnesses saw fleeing the scene, in Gardner, Kan., roughly twoand half to three hours away from where Tiller was killed.

The suspect, identified by police only as a 51-year-old man, is expected to be charged Monday with one count of homicide and two counts of aggravated assault.

Tiller, who ran the Women's Health Care Services clinic, a high-profile abortion clinic in Wichita, was one of the few doctors in the country that still performed late-term abortions. Earlier this month, Tiller's clinic was vandalized, according to reports.

Tiller has long been a target of anti-abortion activists. His clinic has often been the scene of nonviolent protests, but he was also shot outside his clinic in 1993 and his clinic was bombed in 1985.

Wichita Police Capt. Brent Allred said police got an initial call about a shooting at the church at around 10 a.m. local time.

"When [officers] arrived, they found a 67-year-old man had been shot by an unknown suspect or suspects," Wichita Police Duty Chief Gordon Bassham said, adding that the victim was pronounced dead at the scene shortly after emergency crews arrived.

Tiller's attorney, Dan Monnat, confirmed to The Associated Press that Tiller was the victim.

"We don't know whether one or more than one person was involved in this incident," Bassham said before the suspect was
captured. "That's part of the ongoing investigation."

Allred said the church was full as shots rang out, and witnesses quickly were rounded up for clues. Wichita Police Deputy Chief Tom Stolz said they have a handful of witnesses who were in close proximity.

Several told reporters they were shocked when shots rang out, even more so because it happened at a church.

Abortion Doctor Shot Dead in Wichita, Kan. - ABC News

Babyblue · 05-31-2009, 07:17 PM

They claim that the fetus did not have a choice to live or die.

The person that killed the doctor did the very same. Did not give him a choice.

How hypocritical. The person that shot the doctor did the very same that he was suppose to be against!

Stupid idiot!

**KarissaMann05** · 05-31-2009, 07:36 PM

Yep, he is an idiot, all right. That person just has lost his good creditable for his belief. Violence should never make an action if he holds his pro-life values. Therefore, he is an utter fool for made that happened...

Thank you for give us a bad name, fool.

Steel X · 05-31-2009, 09:34 PM

This is going to be a very long fight...

sara1981 · 06-01-2009, 12:22 AM

i saw on news but its terribles!! im hope their families would fight for rightsful!!

Grummer · 06-01-2009, 05:42 AM

****ing looneys

**shel90** · 06-01-2009, 06:27 AM

pro-life? Yea right!

**Cheri** · 06-01-2009, 06:35 AM

It says that he has been shot by an unknown suspect or suspects, how could you all jump to conclusions and assumed that it has to be someone who supports pro-life? I would rather to wait it out until I know more information.

jillio · 06-01-2009, 10:30 AM

The doctor and his staff had been picketed for years, with some activists distributing leaflets around his neighborhood, Brownlie said. His clinic suffered serious damage from a bomb in the mid-1990s, and he was shot through both arms in 1993 by an anti-abortion activist who is now in federal prison.

Man charged in slaying of Kansas abortion doctor - CNN.com

They now have his shooter in custody.

**KarissaMann05** · 06-01-2009, 11:53 AM

I'm not surprised after reading your post, Jill. It's pretty shame and a such low... =/

(Generally 'speaks')

I believe there is no excuse for violence. Y'know, violence is not a remedy for the fear, or not even this "justice" in a civilized society. It's obviously not solve anything... But, we are only people bound by law, and bound by the human decency. Both were violated in this horrible act... It's just soo suck. I think I have my some suspicions on this cause us as pro-lifers as a classified group with the monster that committed this crime... So, we (pro-lifers) must to be sure to separate ourselves from such evil acts and to condemn them. I got another feeling on this cause is one thing pro-lifers (including myself and AD'ers) are already accused of is caring only about people at the fetus stage. Personally, I am now very worried that this may negatively affect the pro-life movement.

Great. I'm now a monster for this crappy situation, oh and, you might hate us for it.

My prayer for the family and friends of Dr. Tiller...

whatdidyousay! · 06-01-2009, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KarissaMann05

I'm not surprised after reading your post, Jill. It's pretty shame and a such low... =/

(Generally 'speaks')

I believe there is no excuse for violence. Y'know, violence is not a remedy for the fear, or not even this "justice" in a civilized society. It's obviously not solve anything... But, we are only people bound by law, and bound by the human decency. Both were violated in this horrible act... It's just soo suck. I think I have my some suspicions on this cause us as pro-lifers as a classified group with the monster that committed this crime... So, we (pro-lifers) must to be sure to separate ourselves from such evil acts and to condemn them. I got another feeling on this cause is one thing pro-lifers (including myself and AD'ers) are already accused of is caring only about people at the fetus stage. Personally, I am now very worried that this may negatively affect the pro-life movement.

Great. I'm now a monster for this crappy situation, oh and, you might hate us for it.

My prayer for the family and friends of Dr. Tiller...

The pro lifers should stay out of other people lifes! Are they going to care for all the unwanted babies rape vitctims would be force to have if abortions were ban! I would not want a rapist baby!

**Bottesini** · 06-01-2009, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

The pro lifers should stay out of other people lifes! Are they going to care for all the unwanted babies rape vitctims would be force to have if abortions were ban! I would not want a rapist baby!

I would adopt it.

**Liebling:-)))** · 06-01-2009, 01:17 PM

Yes, we saw on the TV few hours ago. *shake my head*

A person who claimed to be pro-lifer and accuse/label pro-choicer as murder for kill fetus... Look what he did is shoot to kill the human being...

*shake my head sigh*

whatdidyousay! · 06-01-2009, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bottesini

I would adopt it.

You're missing the point! Some rape victims will not want to carry the baby , and they should not have to ! It will only keep reminding them of what happen!

**Cheri** · 06-01-2009, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

The pro lifers should stay out of other people lifes! Are they going to care for all the unwanted babies rape vitctims would be force to have if abortions were ban! I would not want a rapist baby!

I'll say the same to those who are for pro-choice, forcing pre-teens (that has no legal rights) to have an abortion because they're "too young" to be having a baby, or "too young" to be parents.

LuciaDisturbed · 06-01-2009, 09:41 PM

This is really sad.

**KarissaMann05** · 06-02-2009, 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

The pro lifers should stay out of other people lifes! Are they going to care for all the unwanted babies rape vitctims would be force to have if abortions were ban! I would not want a rapist baby!

Really, there is no need to shout. I understand your POV, and I see differently. My opinion, not all children of rapists will be bad people or have a poor quality of life or will be like fathers. Mothers tend to forget their kids are actually theirs. But she could keep a child, place a child up for the adoption, and or abort a child. It's totally up to them, so there is nothing I could do. I believe donations and supportive options are the best. That is only a way to help pregnant people, young parents, and poor parents for all of ages.

netrox · 06-02-2009, 05:12 AM

Read this:

A Heartbreaking Choice

Women who had abortions performed by Tiller because of severe fetus abnormalities and how he helped them deal with their dead fetuses. He can deliver a dead fetus to you personally and have the fetus cremated or buried.

It's their choice. Tiller helped them make their choice a reality.

**shel90** · 06-02-2009, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheri

I'll say the same to those who are for pro-choice, forcing pre-teens (that has no legal rights) to have an abortion because they're "too young" to be having a baby, or "too young" to be parents.

Pro choice supporters are not known for forcing anyone to do anything...that's why we r for choice meaning each woman has the right to make the choice herself without others forcing anything on her.

As for people forcing teenagers to have abortions, it sounds more of a personal issue between the teenagers and their family. Pro choice and pro lifers don't have anything to do with it.

kokonut · 06-02-2009, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shel90

Pro choice supporters are not known for forcing anyone to do anything...that's why we r for choice meaning each woman has the right to make the choice herself without others forcing anything on her.

As for people forcing teenagers to have abortions, it sounds more of a personal issue between the teenagers and their family. Pro choice and pro lifers don't have anything to do with it.

Other things to consider...

http://www.stopforcedabortions.org/forced.htm

jillio · 06-02-2009, 09:37 AM

^^^^^^Just another anti-abortion website. The distortion of facts and reality on these websites is nothing new. They have been attempting to force their view on American women since 1973.

What hypocricy.

Dinwiddie said Tiller's slaying was "absolutely" justified.

"He forfeited his life by taking the lives of innocent children," she said.

And in Iowa, Dan Holman, of the anti-abortion group Missionaries to the Preborn, told CNN that Tiller's death was something to "cheer."

"I was cheered by it, because I knew he wouldn't be killing any more babies," Holman said.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/01/...ges/index.html

Yep, there's a "pro-life" philosophy for you.

**KarissaMann05** · 06-02-2009, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jillio

^^^^^^Just another anti-abortion website. The distortion of facts and reality on these websites is nothing new. They have been attempting to force their view on American women since 1973.

What hypocricy.

Dinwiddie said Tiller's slaying was "absolutely" justified.

"He forfeited his life by taking the lives of innocent children," she said.

And in Iowa, Dan Holman, of the anti-abortion group Missionaries to the Preborn, told CNN that Tiller's death was something to "cheer."

"I was cheered by it, because I knew he wouldn't be killing any more babies," Holman said.

Clinic worker chased off suspect before doctor's slaying - CNN.com

Yep, there's a "pro-life" philosophy for you.

... ... ... I personally am not cheered by it. You can't expect all pro-lifers are cheered by it. I think it's sad, and some pro-lifers do think so, too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shel90

Pro choice supporters are not known for forcing anyone to do anything...that's why we r for choice meaning each woman has the right to make the choice herself without others forcing anything on her.

As for people forcing teenagers to have abortions, it sounds more of a personal issue between the teenagers and their family. Pro choice and pro lifers don't have anything to do with it.

True.

A pro-choice is not for taking a choice from anyone.
A pro-life is not for taking a life from anyone.
Therefore, it is even for anyone.

jillio · 06-02-2009, 10:17 AM

Didn't say all, or even imply all. But apparently, there are those who claim to be pro-life that think killing doctors is justified.

**KarissaMann05** · 06-02-2009, 10:20 AM

Okay. I think it's pretty hypocrisy cos they obviously took a life. =/

jillio · 06-02-2009, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KarissaMann05

Okay. I think it's pretty hypocrisy cos they obviously took a life. =/

Agreed.

**Bottesini** · 06-02-2009, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jillio

^^^^^^Just another anti-abortion website. The distortion of facts and reality on these websites is nothing new. They have been attempting to force their view on American women since 1973.

What hypocricy.

And in Iowa, Dan Holman, of the anti-abortion group Missionaries to the Preborn, told CNN that Tiller's death was something to "cheer."

"I was cheered by it, because I knew he wouldn't be killing any more babies," Holman said.[/B]

Clinic worker chased off suspect before doctor's slaying - CNN.com

Yep, there's a "pro-life" philosophy for you.

On the subject of the Holman couple, they are absolutely insane.

When my older daughter was in high school she wrote a letter to the editor of the newspaper about women receiving less pay than men.

Holmans sent her a big envelope full of pictures of cut up fetuses. Plus they did it trying to be anonymous.

But it was easy to find out who did it because of the postmark and they are well known to the police in Iowa from these activities. They get arrested a lot. They are very bad people.

It doesn't have much to do with pro life. This is just the area they have chosen to bully and intimidate people.

jillio · 06-02-2009, 10:43 AM

Unfortunately, they also recruit others to their "cause" under the name of pro-life and Christian philosophy.

cdaigle430 · 06-02-2009, 10:46 AM

I don't see what the big deal is, one murder killed another mass murderer. No remorse for either one from me.

**Bottesini** · 06-02-2009, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jillio

Unfortunately, they also recruit others to their "cause" under the name of pro-life and Christian philosophy.

Are you talking about Holmans?

They are shunned and feared here. I don't think they have followers.

They make the news in Iowa a lot. Only their daughters have anything to do with them.

The old lady went nuts after one of her daughters had an abortion.

cdaigle430 · 06-02-2009, 11:02 AM

I wish you pro-choicers could put yourself in pro-lifers shoes, if you really believe that abortion is murder how can you stand by knowing this is being done every day? To them this is pure agony and torture. Just because it is allowed by law doesn't mean it's right. For them you have to do something even if it means taking a life to prevent it. If killing a late stage fetus is truly, truly not murder then prove it 100% with no doubt whatsoever. Yes I am pro-life, no I am not pro-life because of religion, I am not religious, I can't see taking a life period and I can't stand the fact that the tax dollars I pay go to something I don't believe in.

05-31-2009, 07:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
rockin'robin Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 15,336	Abortion Doctor Shot Dead Police have arrested a suspect in the killing at church of a controversial abortion doctor, George Tiller, multiple sources told ABC News' Pierre Thomas. Tiller, 67, was shot and killed this morning in the lobby of the Reformation Lutheran Church in Wichita, Kan., where he served as an usher and his wife, Jean, sang in the choir. Tiller was handing out programs at Sunday services at the time of the shooting. The suspect, who has not been named, was picked up and arrested without incident by Johnson County Sheriff Department around 1:15 p.m., local time, law enforcement officials told ABC News. Deputies identified the light blue 1990s Ford Taurus, which witnesses saw fleeing the scene, in Gardner, Kan., roughly twoand half to three hours away from where Tiller was killed. The suspect, identified by police only as a 51-year-old man, is expected to be charged Monday with one count of homicide and two counts of aggravated assault. Tiller, who ran the Women's Health Care Services clinic, a high-profile abortion clinic in Wichita, was one of the few doctors in the country that still performed late-term abortions. Earlier this month, Tiller's clinic was vandalized, according to reports. Tiller has long been a target of anti-abortion activists. His clinic has often been the scene of nonviolent protests, but he was also shot outside his clinic in 1993 and his clinic was bombed in 1985. Wichita Police Capt. Brent Allred said police got an initial call about a shooting at the church at around 10 a.m. local time. "When [officers] arrived, they found a 67-year-old man had been shot by an unknown suspect or suspects," Wichita Police Duty Chief Gordon Bassham said, adding that the victim was pronounced dead at the scene shortly after emergency crews arrived. Tiller's attorney, Dan Monnat, confirmed to The Associated Press that Tiller was the victim. "We don't know whether one or more than one person was involved in this incident," Bassham said before the suspect was captured. "That's part of the ongoing investigation." Allred said the church was full as shots rang out, and witnesses quickly were rounded up for clues. Wichita Police Deputy Chief Tom Stolz said they have a handful of witnesses who were in close proximity. Several told reporters they were shocked when shots rang out, even more so because it happened at a church. Abortion Doctor Shot Dead in Wichita, Kan. - ABC News

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jillio Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 60,296	The doctor and his staff had been picketed for years, with some activists distributing leaflets around his neighborhood, Brownlie said. His clinic suffered serious damage from a bomb in the mid-1990s, and he was shot through both arms in 1993 by an anti-abortion activist who is now in federal prison. Man charged in slaying of Kansas abortion doctor - CNN.com They now have his shooter in custody.

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KarissaMann05 Premium Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 6,381	I'm not surprised after reading your post, Jill. It's pretty shame and a such low... =/ (Generally 'speaks') I believe there is no excuse for violence. Y'know, violence is not a remedy for the fear, or not even this "justice" in a civilized society. It's obviously not solve anything... But, we are only people bound by law, and bound by the human decency. Both were violated in this horrible act... It's just soo suck. I think I have my some suspicions on this cause us as pro-lifers as a classified group with the monster that committed this crime... So, we (pro-lifers) must to be sure to separate ourselves from such evil acts and to condemn them. I got another feeling on this cause is one thing pro-lifers (including myself and AD'ers) are already accused of is caring only about people at the fetus stage. Personally, I am now very worried that this may negatively affect the pro-life movement. Great. I'm now a monster for this crappy situation, oh and, you might hate us for it. My prayer for the family and friends of Dr. Tiller... __________________ "Pragmatic language is a vital social skill that enables the school-aged child to navigate their way through demanding social situations." -- R. Owens

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netrox Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,780	Read this: A Heartbreaking Choice Women who had abortions performed by Tiller because of severe fetus abnormalities and how he helped them deal with their dead fetuses. He can deliver a dead fetus to you personally and have the fetus cremated or buried. It's their choice. Tiller helped them make their choice a reality.

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jillio Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 60,296	^^^^^^Just another anti-abortion website. The distortion of facts and reality on these websites is nothing new. They have been attempting to force their view on American women since 1973. What hypocricy. Dinwiddie said Tiller's slaying was "absolutely" justified. "He forfeited his life by taking the lives of innocent children," she said. And in Iowa, Dan Holman, of the anti-abortion group Missionaries to the Preborn, told CNN that Tiller's death was something to "cheer." "I was cheered by it, because I knew he wouldn't be killing any more babies," Holman said. http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/01/...ges/index.html Yep, there's a "pro-life" philosophy for you.

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jillio Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 60,296	Didn't say all, or even imply all. But apparently, there are those who claim to be pro-life that think killing doctors is justified.

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jillio Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 60,296	Unfortunately, they also recruit others to their "cause" under the name of pro-life and Christian philosophy.

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cdaigle430 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Maine Posts: 498	I don't see what the big deal is, one murder killed another mass murderer. No remorse for either one from me.

06-02-2009, 11:02 AM	#30 (permalink)
cdaigle430 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Maine Posts: 498	I wish you pro-choicers could put yourself in pro-lifers shoes, if you really believe that abortion is murder how can you stand by knowing this is being done every day? To them this is pure agony and torture. Just because it is allowed by law doesn't mean it's right. For them you have to do something even if it means taking a life to prevent it. If killing a late stage fetus is truly, truly not murder then prove it 100% with no doubt whatsoever. Yes I am pro-life, no I am not pro-life because of religion, I am not religious, I can't see taking a life period and I can't stand the fact that the tax dollars I pay go to something I don't believe in.

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