Originally Posted by jillio

Okay. But he did accomplish his goal in this case.

Originally Posted by Cheri

Have you ever followed the candidates speech? After Obama told a crowd in South Carolina about Martin Luther King how he was the Leader of Civil Rights, and Hillary jumped in and point out that President Johnson was the one that got the Civil Rights Act to passed. Al Sharpton did not like what she said in front of the crowd in South Carolina. If Obama says something about his own color it's ok in Al Sharpton's eyes, but when Hillary mention a President of her own color, it's wrong in Al Sharpton's eyes.

Originally Posted by Reba

Did he?

Originally Posted by jiro123

really? all he does is incite racial riot/hatred/etc.

I asked my friend who is a political activist (got arrested at RNC couple years ago) and a college reporter if Al Sharpton is playing a race card in Sean Bell case. including Sean Bell. His reply was - "isn't that his whole schtick?"

Originally Posted by jiro123

ZING!! +5

Originally Posted by jillio

Originally Posted by Cheri

Show me where anyone say that they do not like people not in their own kind.

Originally Posted by jillio

Its in the news and people are talking about it.

Originally Posted by Reba

Only because of Rev. Al? Or did Sharpton get on board because it was newsworthy?

Originally Posted by jillio

It's not about not liking people of your own kind...it is about holding stereotypical views and judgemental ideas against people who are not like you. It's all over this thread. Some of the more racially offensive posts have already been removed. Any reference to color, when color should not be an issue, is inherently biased against.

Originally Posted by Cheri

Most of us were pointing out the facts of Al Sharpton's actions and how he played the race card. You asked us a question, and we delivered the answer, and then we get judged for not liking anybody with dark skin.

Originally Posted by Cheri

Show me where anyone say that they do not like people not in their own kind.

Originally Posted by jiro123

If I recall correctly, Bill Cosby was known for his angry tirades toward to his own race for continuing to being stereotypical "thugs." He hated it when black comedians used black stereotypes as jokes - it only keeps denigrating black race deeper and deeper.

Originally Posted by jiro123

If I recall correctly, Bill Cosby was known for his angry tirades toward to his own race for continuing to being stereotypical "thugs." He hated it when black comedians used black stereotypes as jokes - it only keeps denigrating black race deeper and deeper.

Originally Posted by jillio

What does that have to do with what is being discussed? Bill Cosby has not, to my knowledge, posted in this thread.

Originally Posted by jiro123

I wasn't aware that it had to be from this thread. I was only responding to "Show me where anyone say that they do not like people not in their own kind." I suppose I misunderstood! Silly me but yea - i thought that was good thing to bring up, even though it's not from this thread.

Originally Posted by jillio

This isn't about Al Sharpton. It is about the shooting of unarmed men. Why is it that you cotinue to focus on that which has no bearing on the case?

And, still, you have not explained how it is that Al Shaprton is playing the race card. It would appear that the ones that are focused on race are the ones that continue to make Al Sharpton the focus of this case, rather than the victims, and those that continue to accuse him of "playing the race card"
without valid and logical reasoning for making that accusation.

Originally Posted by jillio

In Sean Bell case - there were 2 white officers and 2 black officers. Obviously NYPD can't have 4 white officers on this case so they include 2 black officers to avoid racial outcry if shit happens.

The bolded is what you said. Copied and pasted from your reply. What your statement implies is that the NYPD assigned a multi-racial team to this case prior to the shootings so that in the case of a death, they would have a defense. "On this case" implies that they prepalnned the events of this night, and assigned officers accordingly. Perhaps you should be a bit clearer in expressing your views.

Liewise, your statement implies that it is the NYPD that is "playing the race card", and not the protestors, by intentionally assigning a multi-racial team. If race was not a consideration, the race of the officers, not the victims, would have been an issue when assigning officers.

Originally Posted by jillio

How ironic that you would even presume to tell me how much I know about anything, given your own obvious limitations in knowledge and experience. And how typical that you would attempt to divert fromt he actual topic at hand by bringing in unrelated cases. It is called diversion and is a common tactic of the ill informed.

The only obvious racism is that which you are demonstrating, and are so ignorant in your own attitudes that you dont even realize when you are doing it. Why is it that you continue to focus on color, rather than on the issue at hand? The color of the victim, and the color of the protestors is not the issue. You, and others like you are making it an issue. So, where is the racism coming from?

Originally Posted by jillio

But would he have been blocking traffic if the acquittal had not happened?

Originally Posted by jiro123

This is racial incident. White cops were acquitted of shooting and killing an unarmed BLACK man on his wedding day. Sharpton hopped on his black horse and rally-cried for this incident probably because the fear of black people is what drove the officers to shoot so many times - the assumption that black people must be up to no good.


You perhaps misunderstood it. I believe I'm pretty clear on what I said. It's no brainer that when you go out on undercover mission, you prepare for all possible scenarios. They (Chief/Commissioner/etc.) wanted to use multi-race card in this case and OTHER cases (probably not well-publicized maybe cuz it went fine without any casuality). Too bad their multi-race card backfired.


We ARE on issue of Al Sharpton playing race card so I showed you the list of previous cases. Unrelated cases? But Sean Bell case is same as bunch of previous cases - BLACK VICTIMS! UNFAIR TREATMENT! SHOT/BRUTALIZED BY WHITE MEN! and you asked where is the racism coming from? <point at Al Sharpton and Reverend Jackson>


Would he be blocking traffic if the dead man was a white guy instead of Sean Bell?

It seems like you are the only one who does not think Al Sharpton's schtick is black racism.

Originally Posted by Cheri

It can happen to anyone not because they happened to be black, There was one time when a police was responding to a false shooting call, the police broke into a deaf person's apartment and shot him with a taser when he was getting out of his bath. Do you see any deaf people protesting and defending their own culture? There was another deaf person who was fatally shot in the back at a bus stop, the police mistook him for a weapon, but it was a card saying he was deaf. Police are just humans, they make mistakes.

Originally Posted by Buffalo

I am glad the cop used a taser instead of a gun so Donnell Williams is alive today.

Kevin Lazare is dead with three bullets in his back. Suppose I went on a protest for Kevin Lazare, are you going to say that I am using a "Deaf" card? Or are you saying that I am complaining about police brutality? It is obvious to me that the cop didn't killed Kevin in self-defense or there would be bullets in Kevin's chest instead of his back.

Now you see that Al Sharpton is complaining (in the protest) about police brutality toward black people. Tell me how it is self-defense for one of the cops to shoot 31 bullets into those men? That is an overkill like Banjo said. Cops are supposed to be level-headed but those cops in Sean Bell's shooting don't sound like they are level-headed.

Originally Posted by Cowpuppy

wonder if Sharpton would ever stick up for a non-black person. or involve himself

Originally Posted by Chase

This is a useful tread offering good arguments by good members with different views. The discussion is timely and valuable.

But right now STOP making accusations and derogatory references to other members. I'm trying to delete the name-calling and personal references, but they're being posted faster than I can delete them.

Please give each other credit for differences in opinion shared by many of us in this tragic incidence.

Because racial differences are a factor of national news, colors may be mentioned in non-derogative manners.

Originally Posted by Buffalo

I am glad the cop used a taser instead of a gun so Donnell Williams is alive today.

Kevin Lazare is dead with three bullets in his back. Suppose I went on a protest for Kevin Lazare, are you going to say that I am using a "Deaf" card? Or are you saying that I am complaining about police brutality? It is obvious to me that the cop didn't killed Kevin in self-defense or there would be bullets in Kevin's chest instead of his back.

Now you see that Al Sharpton is complaining (in the protest) about police brutality toward black people. Tell me how it is self-defense for one of the cops to shoot 31 bullets into those men? That is an overkill like Banjo said. Cops are supposed to be level-headed but those cops in Sean Bell's shooting don't sound like they are level-headed.