deafskeptic

A 15 to 20 year sentence would have been much more appropriate. After all, we do need to make criminals accountable for their crimes.

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HorseRace

200?

three 40 years for first degree... that is 120 years..
two 30 years for amred robbery.. that is 60 years..
15 years for second degree...
and some years long sentences..
so that total is about 200..

to me, judge has no commen sense! no wonder they act like robot or computer rme!
if i were in that shoe, then i would say that is death sentence.. no question bec all are over human life span.. so put him in death pently.. simple.. that will teach all others to stop.. it works.. example .. look at other country that were very strict.. oh one .. guam.. ooooo strict! you bring one simple very tiny pot.. good bye you die!

jillio

Good one!

DVDFreaker

I have to disagree because once he gets out, he will probably do it again and he will be back in jail so the 200 year sentence is a good ruling even it's extreme

deafskeptic

If he's a repeat offender, stiffer sentences will be needed. I wouldn't do this for a first time offender especially if he has a drug habit.

And there are many criminals out there so where will we find the room for them all and where will we get the money for new jails and prisons? If you throw away the key, you will have to factor in the cost of lifetime imprisonment and these people will need medical care and if we have space even for first time offenders if they're all sentenced to 200 years for a crime. Not only that, we will need to pay those who run the prisons.

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RichardDeaf

I guess we need "suspended animation" prison like in Demolition Man movie. We can dig mile deep prison, and suspended animation (not freeze dry) hard-core criminal until the body dies naturally. All we would need is one prison to handle whole country.. No guards or anything.. Save us crapload of $$$ that we can use.. :-)

freckles

well.. three counts of first-degree burglary, one count of second-degree burglary, two counts of armed robbery and one count of possession of a pistol during a violent crime at age 19 is extreme!

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deafskeptic

And is this realistic to build such a prison given our current technology and how far are we from developing this technology? 10 years from now? 15 years from now? Never?

What you propose seems a bit too futuristic and perhaps a bit unlikely. I recall reading some 1950 stuff of how we would have robots who did our homework. I think the Jetsons are a prime example of this 1950s vision of the future. Did that future ever happen?

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deafskeptic

Hence why he needs to be held accountable for his crimes.

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RichardDeaf

probably not within our lifetime, but again I am just being ridiculous..

deafskeptic

. I do like the idea of this prison though.

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freckles

deafskeptic, referring to a different group.

deafdyke

jillo, on the other hand, he could be a sociopath. Yes, I believe in rehabilitation, but some people cannot be rehabbed.

lilylover72

200 year wow it is not possible!

jillio

Not to mention the fact that when penaly is out of proportion to the degree of the offense, justice has not been served. This is comparable to grounding an 8 year old child until he reaches the age of 21 simply because he came in late from playing outside on two occasions. That is excessive, and does not serve to carry out the purpose of having consequences. Negative consequences are meant to teach, and to guide behavior in a positive direction.

jillio

He could be, but we don't know that for sure. I doubt that he has been assessed for mental health issues. And not are sociopathic personalities are totally resistent to rehab. The plain fact of the matter is, we do not know who will respond to rehabilitation until we attempt to provide that which will rehabilitate them. And a 19 year old young adult. certainly has a better chance of rehabilitation due tot he fact that behaviors are not as solidified as the behavior patterns in, say a 50 year old. A 19 year old is still in the process of completing several developmental tasks psychosocially and cognitively that put them in a posistion of responding well to corrective measures.

If he is an individual that cannot be rehabilitated due to a severity of a mental disorder, then 200 years in prison is decidely the wrong place for him. He needs to be in a facility that will address his mental health concerns, as he is not responsible for having been the victim of a mental illness. While he cannot be permitted to prey on others as a result of being mentally ill, nor can we punish him for being ill.

HorseRace

to put anyone in prison for more than 50 years is waste our tax money!
to save that tax money is a death pently! simple!

Pacman

Not true.

Check out this link
Death Penalty*:*The High Cost of the Death Penalty

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jillio

Thanks, Pacman! You beat me to it. Not to mention which "saving money" is a poor excuse to execute a person!

HorseRace

interesting! i wonder how much costs for our tax to pay prison? , not death pently.. you know..

RichardDeaf

Typically aroung $25,000 a year per prisoner. If that teenage serve out for rest of his natural life, say maybe another 50 years, it would cost taxpayer about $1.25M (not accounting the future inflated costs).

jiro123

let me guess - the criminal's black in a white-dominated community with fairly decent crime rates and the judge/cop/DA (also white) want to push for maximum penalty allowed for each of violation. THAT'S INJUSTICE! somebody calls Al Sharpton!

HorseRace

i see now.. death pently is cost more than sending them to a prison..

therefore they prefer they go to prison.. ..

it is something wrong with these kind of cost.. i dont agree that kind of cost..

i thought death pently should cost less.. and teach everyone to stop doing wrong..
you know i mean.. i dont know why they made that kind of cost.. rme!

RichardDeaf

Biggest expense on death row are LAWYERS doing many many appears cases to get that person off the death row.. Lawyers and court's time is NOT cheap.

jiro123

I don't believe any ONE thing from that link. It is very subjective and misleading. After all..... the site is anti-death penalty. I don't think I'm willing to do extensive research on numbers in detail unless I get paid to do it

HOWEVER - it is true that death penalty costs more than life imprisonment but why I say the data from that site is a horseshit because they're probably using a different kind of estimation which they tend to use upper limit of error to make their case looks shocking.

Statistic from that site - Year 2006:
1. 3,350 total number of death row inmates in USA
2. 660 death row inmates in California
3. California taxpayers pay at least $117 million each year post-trial seeking execution of the people currently on death row
4. More than 3500 men and woman have received this sentence in California since 1978 and NOT ONE has been released, except those few individuals who were able to prove their innocence.

(data from Bureau of Justice)
1. 2006 - there are 3,228 inmates in USA awaiting for execution
2. 669 death row inmates in CA
3. 13 have been executed since 1976 in CA
4. 3 has been freed from death row
5. CA's 2006 State Budget: $131 Billion

now you see why I don't believe any one single bit from the site? It will shock you, scare you, mislead you into believing death penalty is wrong and incredibly expensive! It is difficult and time-consuming for me to research deeply in how the cost is spent and how the lost cost is recovered so I don't think it raises a serious concern on how much money taxpayers pay for it because I'm sure CA recovered some of it back through other means although... the cost it spent on death row inmates surely looks minuscule from $131 billion, don't ya think?!

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Myths about the death penalty

Combat Law, Volume 2, Issue 2 -

Myth No. 1: Death Penalty results in reduced rates of homicides, murders and serious crimes in a society.

This is the most common myth which works in favour of imposition of death penalty. Typically, people believe that if there were possibility to be sentenced to death, the prospective offenders would think twice before committing a crime and could even totally give up their criminal intentions. This is what is believed to be the "deterrent effect" of the death penalty and many people believe that deterrent effect of death penalty is a very effective way to prevent murders and similar criminal behavior.

However, in reality, innumerable studies from all over the world have revealed totally different results. In fact, many studies even show the opposite effect, that existence of the death penalty as a punishment is brutalizing society and making it more violent. It is of course impossible to prove with absolute certainty for example how many murders have been prevented or how many people more have been killed because of the death penalty, and further, there are several factors according to criminologist researches, which can affect to criminal activity and criminal behavior and deterrent effect of punishment is only one of these factors. There are, however, several studies showing that there hasn't been any remarkable change, for example, in murder rates, after abolishing death penalty and also several studies go on to prove that threat of death penalty does not have preventive affect for people committing serious offences. What is remarkable is that some studies have even shown results that effect of the death penalty is just the opposite: existence of the death penalty is correlated with increased homicides!

After looking at the available statistics and selecting some very similar countries where factors relevant to causing or preventing criminality are quite similar, and then selecting from amongst those the countries with and without the death penalty, it is possible to make some careful conclusion as to how effective death penalty is in preventing serious offences. For example the western (post) industrial countries (USA, EU, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Norway, Switzerland, Iceland, Monaco and Liechtenstein) have all abolished the death penalty, except USA, and still, for example, murder rates are much higher in USA than in any of these other, similar, countries.

Of course it is possible to make statements that if the death penalty would not exist even more murders would happen in USA, but it is difficult to find support for this statement from the studies. There has been no remarkable increase in murder rates in those US states which have abolished death penalty. In fact, the survey released in September 2000 by New York Times found that during the last 20 years, the homicide rate in states with death penalty has been 48 percent to 101 percent higher than in states without death penalty. Also, the FBI data show that