Bill: Mandatory Paternity Tests Before Birth Certificates Issued - Page 4

Cheri · 03-10-2008, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I personally think paternity bill doesn't solve anything.

It will solve any assumptions, suspicions, and lies about who the biological father is the child. Too many fathers out there been paying child support to a child that isn't theirs, what can we do to help them? and the children who been lied to after all those years to the fact that the man living in their home isn't the child's father?

I think people need to stop thinking about themselves and think about the other children and fathers out there. That's why I've been keeping an open mind on this bill.

Liebling:-))) · 03-10-2008, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Geez....what a mess this will be! Even if they pass this bill, people who lie to their children will still continue to lie to them. They will find ways but for those who dont live a life as a lie, it is unfair.

Yes I second that.

Liebling:-))) · 03-10-2008, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

It will solve any assumptions, suspicions, and lies about who the biological father is the child. Too many fathers out there been paying child support to a child that isn't theirs, what can we do to help them? and the children who been lied to after all those years of the fact that the man living in their home isn't the child's father?

I think people need to stop thinking about themselves and think about the other children and fathers out there. That's why I am keeping an open mind about this bill.

Do you mean that a mother lied to different men and claim that a child is their and collect child support from them?

If your answer is YES...

It look like that a mother took different men to court for child support without demand DNA test?

Sorry, it make no sense... Normally accord the law, if a mother take her ex to court for child support then DNA test is obligate to demand for prove his paternity. This is a law.

You should blame a mother for lie her child, not government.

Cheri · 03-10-2008, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Do you mean that a mother lied to different men and claim that a child is their and collect child support from them?

If your answer is YES...

It look like that a mother took different men to court for child support without demand DNA test?

Sorry, it make no sense... Normally accord the law, if a mother take her ex to court for child support then DNA test is obligate to demand for prove his paternity. This is a law.

You should blame a mother for lie her child, not government.

Liebling:-))) · 03-10-2008, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Your own post.

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Too many fathers out there been paying child support to a child that isn't theirs,

That's why I make sure if I understand your post correct either you mean that a mother lied to different men and claim that a child is their and collect child support from them or not?

If your answer is YES

and explain you in my post about law over paternity DNA test, etc.

Freaky Cat · 03-10-2008, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

It will solve any assumptions, suspicions, and lies about who the biological father is the child. Too many fathers out there been paying child support to a child that isn't theirs, what can we do to help them? and the children who been lied to after all those years to the fact that the man living in their home isn't the child's father?

I think people need to stop thinking about themselves and think about the other children and fathers out there. That's why I've been keeping an open mind on this bill.

i gotta add this.... this wont work, period.. my nephew's ex gf sued him for child support. court ordered him to pay child support back years 10 yrs of back support. finally they did the dna test and guess what? the child is not even his to begin with? he never signed the birth certificate or anything like that.. its not his child? yet court ordered him to pay child support.. ITS A MUST! wtf??? court is dirty.. it wont do any good for the bill anyway..

my nephew is trying to tell them the child is not his.. did court cared? no..they kept putting him in jail for not paying child support. he refused to pay cuz dna test said its not his child? they want money ...so greedy sheesh..

Liebling:-))) · 03-10-2008, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Freaky Cat

i gotta add this.... this wont work, period.. my nephew's ex gf sued him for child support. court ordered him to pay child support back years 10 yrs of back support. finally they did the dna test and guess what? the child is not even his to begin with? he never signed the birth certificate or anything like that.. its not his child? yet court ordered him to pay child support.. ITS A MUST! wtf??? court is dirty.. it wont do any good for the bill anyway..

my nephew is trying to tell them the child is not his.. did court cared? no.. they want money ... sheesh..

wow... unbelievable...

That's what I thought so... I can see that my response question toward Cheri's correct.

Anyway, I can tell from your post that the court don't bother to demand paternity test when a mother took different men to court for child support without demand DNA test. *speechless*

I can't beleive that the court don't bother to demand DNA test on him before make judgement. Normally the court should do with paternity DNA test first until prove it then arrange child support....

Liebling:-))) · 03-10-2008, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

You wouldn't have to worry about it.

There are innocent men that have been slapped with child support when in fact, it's not their child.

This makes sense.

What's wrong with DNA test to prove their paternity ? Is it not hard to demand their right?

Cheri · 03-10-2008, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Your own post.

That's why I make sure if I understand your post correct either you mean that a mother lied to different men and claim that a child is their and collect child support from them or not?

If your answer is YES

and explain you in my post about law over DNA test, etc.

No, You did not understood my post. I did not mean one mother, I meant many mothers, and there's many fathers who been paying child support never had any reason to doubt the child was not theirs. Sometimes those mothers don't take the fathers to court, they settle their own child support arrangement with the fathers. Which I think that's a bad idea. Some of those mothers are just trying to prevent the truth from coming out.

And Freakycat, It's never a good idea to start out in court, Child Support Enforcement is always on the side of a parent with custody of a child. They will establishing paternity. They always follow that guidelines. I would advise your nephew to go through child support enforcement. If the child is not his, he does not have to pay child support.

Liebling:-))) · 03-10-2008, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Right, and when a child living in a house with a man she/he thought was his/her biological father, then later finding out that man who is living in their home is not the father of the child, He was only the father that this child has known, I can only imagine how it will effect the child's self-esteem. I'll bet it'll destroy a child's world.

The most important gift that mothers can give to their children is their love and trust by telling the children the truth, no matter how bad it is.

It's mother's decision her "dishonestly", not us including government. It's father's decision for demand his rights to have DNA test to prove his paternity or not, not us including government. It's both fault on their side if they choose to lie their child or choose to not take DNA test. Its between them.

It's mother's problem if her child found out the truth later.

I personally rather to tell my child the truth myself than let her/him learn the truth from someone else.

Liebling:-))) · 03-10-2008, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

No, You did not understood my post. I did not mean one mother, I meant many mothers, and there's many fathers who been paying child support never had any reason to doubt the child was not theirs. Sometimes those mothers don't take the fathers to court, they settle their own child support arrangement with the fathers. Which I think that's a bad idea. Some of those mothers are just trying to prevent the truth from coming out.

That's why I made a double check before say something.

Yes I understand your point over cons/pros. We can't do anything against if parents accept their own agreement for pay child support. I have seen many people made their own agreement without court and have no problem with that. If they have problem then go to lawyer then court... It's their decision for doubt or not either child is their or not. If they doubt then demand DNA test to prove their paternity. They are adult and make their own decision, not Government.

Liebling:-))) · 03-10-2008, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue
I understand what you are saying but they're a lot of honest people out there that is going to have to pay for the dishonest ones... why charge the faithful couples extra money? When the husband or man has no doubt.. Would you be offended if they made you do it... KNOWING that you are faithful?
I only agree to it if the father suspect it is not his child... and a lot of men do suspect it is not their child... only if the man feels obligated to do so should go ahead... but to make it a law.... I feel it is unnecessary to do so.

Faithful couples going to have to burden the proof, It is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Jolie_77

I agree, It is not necessary to a point to make it a law. Sure, there are some women out there that are not so faithful but there are others that are so faithful (and knowingly 100%) of a certain man who would be the father.

I think this law is pretty dumb. If the man feels that he is not the father of the child for whatever reasons, let him take a DNA test and if he happens to be on the birth certificate - that simply can be changed with a proof of the DNA test (if he isn't found to be the father). If the man wish to acknowledge the "father" role, then let him sign the birth certificate without a paternity test. I think by dishing out a lot of money just to make a proof because the "supposedly law" says so is just far too extreme and it is like telling us that either we have to dish out the bucks just so we can have the man on the birth certificate. Dumb, isn't it?

Whether the couple is married or not, it is under the assumption that we all do this or that. It doesn't mean that every women are like this.

Yes, I agree that it's not necessary to make it a law. Simple demand DNA test if they doubt their paternity. It's their decision, not Government.

Liebling:-))) · 03-10-2008, 09:36 AM

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GarnetTigerMom's post
Honesty I don't think we need to have that bill passed. It's the mother's right to do what she want on the birth certiciate. There no law required to force the mother to add the child s father name on the birth certificate. I agree with jilio that we have a right to protect our sexual relationship prviate and our medical records private as well. Whatever the reasons a single mother does, it's her business and no one else's business. Who are we to pass judgment on their personal life?

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Originally Posted by GarnetTigerMom

If the mother want him to take DNA and the father deny he a father, she got a right to take him to court to make him get DNA test to pay for child support. DNA is very accute. DNA don't lie.

Exactly

Cheri · 03-10-2008, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

[It's mother's decision for her dishonestly, not us including government.

Well, I respectfully disagree, because I am a strong believer of "It takes a whole village to raise a child" the famous Hillary Clinton's speech Lol. I believe if we stop thinking about ourselves, our own lives. Think of others out in the whole of society, we could make a differences because of that we are all part of one big family.

Doug5 · 03-10-2008, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

This bill operates under the assumption that all women cheat, and then lie about the paternity of their children. How insulting!

havent you seen maury povich?

Aleser · 03-10-2008, 09:45 AM

I think that this is insane. There's a million reasons why someone shouldn't have to or wouldn't want to take a test, including the most important: I don't want to be presumed guilty until proven innocent. The very concept goes against everything we are taught to believe in.

If you think your wife/partner/girlfriend/whateversheis was cheating and that the child you're supporting isn't yours, that's your business... but every single mother shouldn't have to prove it, too.

Doug5 · 03-10-2008, 09:45 AM

THey should do it for single mothers that want government handouts. Make the father pay for their children instead of taxpayers.

Freaky Cat · 03-10-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

wow... unbelievable...

That's what I thought so... I can see that my response question toward Cheri's correct.

Anyway, I can tell from your post that the court don't bother to demand paternity test when a mother took different men to court for child support without demand DNA test. *speechless*

I can't beleive that the court don't bother to demand DNA test on him before make judgement. Normally the court should do with paternity DNA test first until prove it then arrange child support....

they did demand dna testing.. and the child is not my nephew's but he is still required to pay child support no matter what... just cuz they cant find the father so they wanted my nephew to pay for child support and i think they are wrong cuz they wanted money... so damn greedy..

so what good will that do??

Cheri · 03-10-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Doug5

THey should do it for single mothers that want government handouts. Make the father pay for their children instead of taxpayers.

Only single mothers? You think every marriage never committed adultly?

Liebling:-))) · 03-10-2008, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Freaky Cat

they did demand dna testing.. and the child is not my nephew's but he is still required to pay child support no matter what... just cuz they cant find the father so they wanted my nephew to pay for child support and i think they are wrong cuz they wanted money... so damn greedy..

so what good will that do??

wow, yes I agree with you that it's wrong.

Freaky Cat · 03-10-2008, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

No, You did not understood my post. I did not mean one mother, I meant many mothers, and there's many fathers who been paying child support never had any reason to doubt the child was not theirs. Sometimes those mothers don't take the fathers to court, they settle their own child support arrangement with the fathers. Which I think that's a bad idea. Some of those mothers are just trying to prevent the truth from coming out.

And Freakycat, It's never a good idea to start out in court, Child Support Enforcement is always on the side of a parent with custody of a child. They will establishing paternity. They always follow that guidelines. I would advise your nephew to go through child support enforcement. If the child is not his, he does not have to pay child support.

the ex gf sued him thru using child enforcement agency.. yet they are still greedy for money and wanted my nephew to pay the child support back for 10 yrs.. but the child is not his yet they kept putting him in jail for not paying child support. he still refused to pay.. but he was in jail last week cuz not pay child support.. did they cared? no. they wanted money! sigh...

Freaky Cat · 03-10-2008, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Only single mothers? You think every marriage never committed adultly?

EVERY marriage? dont say ALL couples who are in marriage cheated. NOT EVERY marriage. some do.. but not ALL. ok.

Doug5 · 03-10-2008, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Only single mothers? You think every marriage never committed adultly?

no not at all, and dont care either. If the single mother can support the child herself, then theres no need for a paternity test.

If she wants government support, then every effort should be made to find the father and make him pay child support for his child. I dont see whats wrong with this.

Itd make women think twice before they sleep with that douchebag loser.

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Doug5 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 161	THey should do it for single mothers that want government handouts. Make the father pay for their children instead of taxpayers.