10-year-old gives birth in Cincinnati - Page 2

PghSteelersGirl · 02-13-2008, 01:30 AM

I don't have children but I know. My niece will be 13 next month. My sister (may she rest in peace) and brother in law teaches both of their children about sex, rape and things like that, also they watch who comes in their own and who don't meaning their friends and such.

Also if I had children, not married at all. I would be careful who comes in my home and who I date. Also my b/f's would not be watching my daughter alone at all. My daughter would be at her friends, or family. Or I would have a female baby sitter to stay with her. That is how I feel.

PowerON · 02-13-2008, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PghSteelersGirl

I am glad abortion is going to be stopped eventually.

The problem is that the parents are NOT teaching their child and watching what is going on in the home. The mother should be in jail too for allowing this and not knowing that she was pregnant the whole time.

I think the 11 yr old mother and her baby should go to a new home.

well, it's big problem in situation that you're put her in bad path where decision lead this mother to take care of child more difficult and wrong age. She should get abortion. We cannot allow her to accept to be mother because it's wrong. I don't think body in age can provide like that.

Dixie · 02-13-2008, 08:31 PM

There is no way a 10 year old child can physically nor mentally take care of an infant. They simply lack not just the maturity, but the skills needed to do so.

I think the state did what was best for both in this situation - removing both from the home and placing into state custody.

HOWEVER there would be one thing I would do differently - allow the 10 year old to be placed in a home with her child, where she would not be the legal gaurdian for reasons already stated - but can 'bond' with her child and learn 'some' parenting skills along the way, but she will never earn full custody of the baby due to their ages and the fact that even at 18 she wouldnt even be financially ready to take on an 8 year old child but would be allowed visits. This would give them both a chance to form a relationship with each other.

Whomever adopted the infant would need to be willing to let the 10 year old be a part of the infants life given the circumstances - the ideal thing would be is to adopt them into one home more as siblings rather then parent-child.

As for abortion, Im not sure you can legally perform abortions on children that young and even then the abortion clinic would still be required to notify the Department of Family Services, simply for the fact that she is so young - the same reason the hospital notified the Department of Family Services.

PghSteelersGirl · 02-13-2008, 11:59 PM

I agree with Dixie, The state did what was best for her. I think abortion is too hard for a 10 year old, also let alone can cause problems when she gets older such as not being able to have any more children too. IT would hurt her more, to kill a child than putting a child for an adoption.

also I think the young mother should go to a home where her child is, but not a legal guardian. But to learn parenting.

Angel · 02-14-2008, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PghSteelersGirl

I agree with Dixie, The state did what was best for her. I think abortion is too hard for a 10 year old, also let alone can cause problems when she gets older such as not being able to have any more children too. IT would hurt her more, to kill a child than putting a child for an adoption.

also I think the young mother should go to a home where her child is, but not a legal guardian. But to learn parenting.

I agree, I feel the same way as you 2 do.

jillio · 02-14-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

A very sad and sickening situation.

I wonder why "sex with a child under 13 is considered statutory rape"? It should be "rape", period. There is no way that a child that young is consenting. The good thing is it carries a life sentence.

This is additionally disturbing:

"Two other men were eliminated as the baby's father before Chaffer's DNA was tested."

That means that possibly two other men were also sexually abusing the poor girl.

The poor little thing doesn't even have a decent mother to turn to for support or protection. Awful!

Agreed. I don't understand the tag of statuatory rape, either. A 10 year old could not be consenting. Looks to me like a case of ongoing rape.

jillio · 02-14-2008, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dixie

There is no way a 10 year old child can physically nor mentally take care of an infant. They simply lack not just the maturity, but the skills needed to do so.

I think the state did what was best for both in this situation - removing both from the home and placing into state custody.

HOWEVER there would be one thing I would do differently - allow the 10 year old to be placed in a home with her child, where she would not be the legal gaurdian for reasons already stated - but can 'bond' with her child and learn 'some' parenting skills along the way, but she will never earn full custody of the baby due to their ages and the fact that even at 18 she wouldnt even be financially ready to take on an 8 year old child but would be allowed visits. This would give them both a chance to form a relationship with each other.

Whomever adopted the infant would need to be willing to let the 10 year old be a part of the infants life given the circumstances - the ideal thing would be is to adopt them into one home more as siblings rather then parent-child.

As for abortion, Im not sure you can legally perform abortions on children that young and even then the abortion clinic would still be required to notify the Department of Family Services, simply for the fact that she is so young - the same reason the hospital notified the Department of Family Services.

Agree with you completely. That would be the ideal situation. However, given the circumstances of the preganancy, the 10 year olds feeling definately should be taken into consideration regarding visitations and contact. It could easily be more traumatic for her to have contact with the child. The abortion, for a child that young, would require parental consent. I would say that chances are good that they did not even realize the child was pregnant until after the time limit for abortion had passed. The poor child probably didn't even recognize the signs of pregnancy, or if she did, was terrified to tell anyone.

Liebling:-))) · 02-14-2008, 12:35 PM

*nodding agreement sadly*

Silentwolfdog · 02-14-2008, 01:18 PM

But who would volunteer to take care of both daughter and the baby?

Well, hopefully she and the baby would find a good guardian to take care of them for rest of their life. They need it.

I hope they will give her some counseling, because I doubt anyone's mind would be sane if they went through this at such young age.

Dixie · 02-18-2008, 07:02 PM

I am positive that the mother is receiving some sort of counseling at this stage and probably will continue to do for another year or two at the very least so that she can adequately deal with her feelings and emotions, or even she may never really move past this to have a productive life. But either way - the day she turns 21 she's no longer the states responsibility, she's on her own. All we can do is hope she meets the right kind of people and has some good people in her life between now and then that can have a positive influence over her.

yizuman · 02-18-2008, 08:01 PM

Wednesday, February 13, 2008

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Hamilton County prosecutors say a man accused of raping his girlfriend’s 10-year-old daughter – a crime that resulted in her giving birth – belongs in prison for life.

Since rape charges don’t allow for such a long sentence, prosecutors are taking a different approach. They argue that pregnancy and childbirth for such a young girl is physical harm, the standard needed to seek a life sentence.

A Hamilton County grand jury today indicted Michael Chaffer, 40, on two charges of rape and a charge of felonious assault.
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Chaffer is accused of raping the now 11-year-old Lincoln Heights girl many times when she was 10, from Sept. 8, 2006 to Nov. 4, 2007.

The girl’s mother remains under investigation, Deters said. “You know I have been doing this job probably too long, but every time you think you have seen it all, somebody like Michael Chaffer comes along and kind of clears the deck.

“This man is a beast who preyed on a 10-year-old,” he said.

Seeking a life prison term under the specification that pregnancy is serious physical harm is a first in Ohio.

Deters isn’t sure how it will play out in court, but said he believes the pregnancy meets the definition of serious physical harm. He said six other states consider child rape so aberrant it’s punishable by the death penalty.

The abuse to the girl began in September 2006 when the girl was 10, according to court records.

Chaffer threatened the girl, saying he would leave her mother if she told anyone, Deters said. Part of the investigation into the girl’s mother centers on whether the woman knew the abuse was happening.

Deters said the girl hid her pregnancy with big shirts. She was nearly nine-months pregnant when she complained of stomach pains Nov. 3. She was taken to University Hospital where she gave birth to a 4-pound baby girl the next day.

“When you hear her story it’s very upsetting,” Deters said. “It breaks your heart.”
The delivery set off an investigation by the Hamilton County Department of Job and Family Services.

While police looked for the infant’s father, social workers ordered the girl’s mother to keep all adult men away from the home, an order she broke by allowing Chaffer in the home, according to records.

When authorities discovered the mother’s deception, the girl and the infant were put into foster care, according to testimony from a previous dependency court hearing.

Prosecutors are seeking to permanently remove the infant from the girl’s care because the sixth-grade student is too young to care for the baby. A hearing in the case is set for next week.

Chaffer is currently in prison serving one-year prison term on an unrelated drug charge.

DNA testing has proved Chaffer is the infant’s father, Deters said.

Source: The Enquirer - Charge in case of mom, 10

Pic of perv included in URL

I hope both her mother and the b/f rot in prison! A boyfriend should never be a higher priority than a child.

Enablers (mothers that allows it) makes me sick!

It's a tragedy that she gave birth so young and equally tragedy that she can't keep the baby and raise her, despite of her age. Even though she's 11 now, she sounded like a caring mother who's very concerned for her baby.

Maybe someday they'll be back together, if that ever happens.

deafbajagal · 02-18-2008, 08:13 PM

What was the mother charged with?

yizuman · 02-18-2008, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by deafbajagal

What was the mother charged with?

Prolly alot of things, failure to report it to authorities, accessory to the crime, child neglect, etc.

Right now she's been indicted by a grand jury, therefore she has to go to court to answer the charges brought forth by the prosecutor.

It'll be months before she and her b/f have their day in court.

The b/f no doubt will be in prison and the mother will prolly get a few years plus probation.

I think the mother should never ever regain custody of the 10 year old or any kids ever again.

Miss-Delectable · 02-18-2008, 09:28 PM

That poor girl! No child should have ever gone through this sort of perversities.

I hope they'll throw away the key on this creep forever. Although I doubt it *sighs*

As for the mother, she should have her tubes forcibly tied and banned from having custody of this girl and any other children including the granddaughter.

I reckon the baby should be put up for adoption. Better live in ignorance of how she came around than live with the brutual fact?

JeepGirl · 02-18-2008, 10:56 PM

That's sickening! to think about my own 10 year old child.. and imagining what that 10 year old girl is going thru. that has to be terrible.

I certainly hope that Chaffer does stay in prison for a very long time. As for the mother, it looks like.. she knew her daughter was pregnant the whole time! the mentality of a 10 year old girl knowing.. she needed to wear a big shirt to cover her pregnancy. no. I'm thinking her mother made her wear big shirts. I so can't imagine this.

Kalista · 02-19-2008, 09:31 AM

yes, I agree with Dixie and PghSteelersGirl. 11 years old girl probably see a specialist psychology for rest of her life. She did not understand why adult man would do this to her and also helpless from her mother. Went through 9 months pregnancy then give away of her own child to somebody else. She did not ask for this, too young for her to make the right decision what is the best for the baby. I can't image, when the baby grow into 20 years old. She will be 30 years old. In this society is awful crazy !!

Phillips · 02-19-2008, 04:59 PM

Oh jeez!!!

PghSteelersGirl · 02-24-2008, 10:23 PM

I trully feel bad for her. If I could afford the adoption, I'd take both of them into my home.

jasin · 03-01-2008, 03:46 PM

10 year old????????????????????? I thought women don't start their periods until 12 years of age?????? How is she able to get pregnant if she has not started menstruating???????????????

Menstruation and the Menstrual Cycle

jasin · 03-01-2008, 03:54 PM

This little girl will probably be on welfare for 15 years and living with grandma and grandpa if they are still around.

Dixie · 03-02-2008, 07:16 PM

There have been rare cases where girls as young as 8 or 9 having menstrual cycles.

jasin · 03-07-2008, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dixie

There have been rare cases where girls as young as 8 or 9 having menstrual cycles.

Really? Must be all these hormones that are in our foods that's causing that.

***VamPyroX*** · 03-07-2008, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jasin

10 year old????????????????????? I thought women don't start their periods until 12 years of age?????? How is she able to get pregnant if she has not started menstruating???????????????

Menstruation and the Menstrual Cycle

It happens... some kids bloom earlier.

jasin · 03-12-2008, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

It happens... some kids bloom earlier.

Must be all these hormones and steroids in our foods.

Reba · 03-12-2008, 08:54 AM

Recent news reports said that there are traces of hormones and other medications in our drinking water.

Kalista · 03-12-2008, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Recent news reports said that there are traces of hormones and other medications in our drinking water.

Read this article !

Report: Drugs Found In Drinking Water Supplies - Health News Story - WCVB Boston

NEW YORK -- A vast array of pharmaceuticals -- including antibiotics, anti-consultants, mood stabilizers and sex hormones -- have been found in the drinking water supplies of at least 41 million Americans, an Associated Press investigation shows.

To be sure, the concentrations of these pharmaceuticals are tiny, measured in quantities of parts per billion or trillion, far below the levels of a medical dose. Also, utilities insist their water is safe.

But the presence of so many prescription drugs - and over-the-counter medicines like acetaminophen and ibuprofen - in so much of our drinking water is heightening worries among scientists of long-term consequences to human health.

In the course of a five-month inquiry, the AP discovered that drugs have been detected in the drinking water supplies of 24 major metropolitan areas -- from Southern California to Northern New Jersey, from Detroit to Louisville, Ky.

Water providers rarely disclose results of pharmaceutical screenings, unless pressed, the AP found. For example, the head of a group representing major California suppliers said the public "doesn't know how to interpret the information" and might be unduly alarmed.

How do the drugs get into the water?

People take pills. Their bodies absorb some of the medication, but the rest of it passes through and is flushed down the toilet. The wastewater is treated before it is discharged into reservoirs, rivers or lakes. Then, some of the water is cleansed again at drinking water treatment plants and piped to consumers. But most treatments do not remove all drug residue.

And while researchers do not yet understand the exact risks from decades of persistent exposure to random combinations of low levels of pharmaceuticals, recent studies - which have gone virtually unnoticed by the general public - have found alarming effects on human cells and wildlife.

"We recognize it is a growing concern and we're taking it very seriously," said Benjamin H. Grumbles, assistant administrator for water at the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

Members of the AP National Investigative Team reviewed hundreds of scientific reports, analyzed federal drinking water databases, visited environmental study sites and treatment plants and interviewed more than 230 officials, academics and scientists. They also surveyed the nation's 50 largest cities and a dozen other major water providers, as well as smaller community water providers in all 50 states.

Here are some of the key test results obtained by the AP:

-Officials in Philadelphia said testing there discovered 56 pharmaceuticals or byproducts in treated drinking water, including medicines for pain, infection, high cholesterol, asthma, epilepsy, mental illness and heart problems. Sixty-three pharmaceuticals or byproducts were found in the city's watersheds.

-Anti-epileptic and anti-anxiety medications were detected in a portion of the treated drinking water for 18.5 million people in Southern California.

-Researchers at the U.S. Geological Survey analyzed a Passaic Valley Water Commission drinking water treatment plant, which serves 850,000 people in Northern New Jersey, and found a metabolized angina medicine and the mood-stabilizing carbamazepine in drinking water.

-A sex hormone was detected in San Francisco's drinking water.

-The drinking water for Washington, D.C., and surrounding areas tested positive for six pharmaceuticals.

The situation is undoubtedly worse than suggested by the positive test results in the major population centers documented by the AP.

The federal government doesn't require any testing and hasn't set safety limits for drugs in water. Of the 62 major water providers contacted, the drinking water for only 28 was tested. Among the 34 that haven't: Houston, Chicago, Miami, Baltimore, Phoenix, Boston and New York City's Department of Environmental Protection, which delivers water to 9 million people.

Some providers screen only for one or two pharmaceuticals, leaving open the possibility that others are present.

The AP's investigation also indicates that watersheds, the natural sources of most of the nation's water supply, also are contaminated. Tests were conducted in the watersheds of 35 of the 62 major providers surveyed by the AP, and pharmaceuticals were detected in 28.

Yet officials in six of those 28 metropolitan areas said they did not go on to test their drinking water - Fairfax, Va.; Montgomery County in Maryland; Omaha, Neb.; Oklahoma City; Santa Clara, Calif., and New York City.

The New York state health department and the USGS tested the source of the city's water, upstate. They found trace concentrations of heart medicine, infection fighters, estrogen, anti-consultants, a mood stabilizer and a tranquilizer.

City water officials declined repeated requests for an interview. In a statement, they insisted that "New York City's drinking water continues to meet all federal and state regulations regarding drinking water quality in the watershed and the distribution system" - regulations that do not address trace pharmaceuticals.

In several cases, officials at municipal or regional water providers told the AP that pharmaceuticals had not been detected, but the AP obtained the results of tests conducted by independent researchers that showed otherwise.

Of the 28 major metropolitan areas where tests were performed on drinking water supplies, only Albuquerque; Austin, Texas; and Virginia Beach, Va.; said tests were negative. The drinking water in Dallas has been tested, but officials are a

02-13-2008, 08:31 PM	#33 (permalink)
Dixie Darren Hayes, Aussie Boi Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,867	There is no way a 10 year old child can physically nor mentally take care of an infant. They simply lack not just the maturity, but the skills needed to do so. I think the state did what was best for both in this situation - removing both from the home and placing into state custody. HOWEVER there would be one thing I would do differently - allow the 10 year old to be placed in a home with her child, where she would not be the legal gaurdian for reasons already stated - but can 'bond' with her child and learn 'some' parenting skills along the way, but she will never earn full custody of the baby due to their ages and the fact that even at 18 she wouldnt even be financially ready to take on an 8 year old child but would be allowed visits. This would give them both a chance to form a relationship with each other. Whomever adopted the infant would need to be willing to let the 10 year old be a part of the infants life given the circumstances - the ideal thing would be is to adopt them into one home more as siblings rather then parent-child. As for abortion, Im not sure you can legally perform abortions on children that young and even then the abortion clinic would still be required to notify the Department of Family Services, simply for the fact that she is so young - the same reason the hospital notified the Department of Family Services. __________________ Visit my Deaf Blog Signature banner created by me, please do not steal!

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Silentwolfdog a toku fangirl Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 689	But who would volunteer to take care of both daughter and the baby? Well, hopefully she and the baby would find a good guardian to take care of them for rest of their life. They need it. I hope they will give her some counseling, because I doubt anyone's mind would be sane if they went through this at such young age. __________________ If you are using red or blue font, there's a good chance that I am not reading your posts due to it being blended into background! I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night. ~Sarah William Check my art at http://silentwolfdog.deviantart.com

02-18-2008, 07:02 PM	#40 (permalink)
Dixie Darren Hayes, Aussie Boi Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,867	I am positive that the mother is receiving some sort of counseling at this stage and probably will continue to do for another year or two at the very least so that she can adequately deal with her feelings and emotions, or even she may never really move past this to have a productive life. But either way - the day she turns 21 she's no longer the states responsibility, she's on her own. All we can do is hope she meets the right kind of people and has some good people in her life between now and then that can have a positive influence over her. __________________ Visit my Deaf Blog Signature banner created by me, please do not steal!

02-18-2008, 09:28 PM	#44 (permalink)
Miss-Delectable Capt Tony Nelson, Jeannie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: No.1 Shopping Capital in Australia Posts: 8,693 Blog Entries: 3	That poor girl! No child should have ever gone through this sort of perversities. I hope they'll throw away the key on this creep forever. Although I doubt it sighs As for the mother, she should have her tubes forcibly tied and banned from having custody of this girl and any other children including the granddaughter. I reckon the baby should be put up for adoption. Better live in ignorance of how she came around than live with the brutual fact? __________________

02-13-2008, 01:30 AM	#31 (permalink)
PghSteelersGirl HOMESICK FOR PGH PA!! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Weirton Wva, soon to be back in Pgh Pa. Posts: 41	I don't have children but I know. My niece will be 13 next month. My sister (may she rest in peace) and brother in law teaches both of their children about sex, rape and things like that, also they watch who comes in their own and who don't meaning their friends and such. Also if I had children, not married at all. I would be careful who comes in my home and who I date. Also my b/f's would not be watching my daughter alone at all. My daughter would be at her friends, or family. Or I would have a female baby sitter to stay with her. That is how I feel.

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02-13-2008, 11:59 PM	#34 (permalink)
PghSteelersGirl HOMESICK FOR PGH PA!! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Weirton Wva, soon to be back in Pgh Pa. Posts: 41	I agree with Dixie, The state did what was best for her. I think abortion is too hard for a 10 year old, also let alone can cause problems when she gets older such as not being able to have any more children too. IT would hurt her more, to kill a child than putting a child for an adoption. also I think the young mother should go to a home where her child is, but not a legal guardian. But to learn parenting.

02-18-2008, 08:13 PM	#42 (permalink)
deafbajagal Jasmine's Tiger "Lilly" Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA Posts: 1,884	What was the mother charged with?

02-18-2008, 10:56 PM	#45 (permalink)
JeepGirl Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In the South Posts: 6,180	That's sickening! to think about my own 10 year old child.. and imagining what that 10 year old girl is going thru. that has to be terrible. I certainly hope that Chaffer does stay in prison for a very long time. As for the mother, it looks like.. she knew her daughter was pregnant the whole time! the mentality of a 10 year old girl knowing.. she needed to wear a big shirt to cover her pregnancy. no. I'm thinking her mother made her wear big shirts. I so can't imagine this.

02-19-2008, 09:31 AM	#46 (permalink)
Kalista Premium Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 7,387	yes, I agree with Dixie and PghSteelersGirl. 11 years old girl probably see a specialist psychology for rest of her life. She did not understand why adult man would do this to her and also helpless from her mother. Went through 9 months pregnancy then give away of her own child to somebody else. She did not ask for this, too young for her to make the right decision what is the best for the baby. I can't image, when the baby grow into 20 years old. She will be 30 years old. In this society is awful crazy !! __________________ Enjoy the Autumn time as much as we can. The foliage are such beautiful in Vermont and New Hampshire.

02-19-2008, 04:59 PM	#47 (permalink)
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02-24-2008, 10:23 PM	#48 (permalink)
PghSteelersGirl HOMESICK FOR PGH PA!! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Weirton Wva, soon to be back in Pgh Pa. Posts: 41	I trully feel bad for her. If I could afford the adoption, I'd take both of them into my home.

03-01-2008, 03:46 PM	#49 (permalink)
jasin Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Puyallup, Washington Posts: 779	10 year old????????????????????? I thought women don't start their periods until 12 years of age?????? How is she able to get pregnant if she has not started menstruating??????????????? Menstruation and the Menstrual Cycle

03-01-2008, 03:54 PM	#50 (permalink)
jasin Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Puyallup, Washington Posts: 779	This little girl will probably be on welfare for 15 years and living with grandma and grandpa if they are still around.

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Dixie Darren Hayes, Aussie Boi Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,867	There have been rare cases where girls as young as 8 or 9 having menstrual cycles. __________________ Visit my Deaf Blog Signature banner created by me, please do not steal!

03-12-2008, 08:54 AM	#55 (permalink)
Reba Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 16,408	Recent news reports said that there are traces of hormones and other medications in our drinking water.