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Citing wildlife, Mexico seeks border changes
'Barrier would place at risk the various ecosystems that we share'

Updated: 10:19 a.m. ET July 31, 2007

Mexico: Species hurt by U.S. border fence - Environment - MSNBC.com


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is that so? There is one good example about Ciudad Juárez in Mexico right next to El Paso, TX. The creek is much pollution in Ciudad Juárez than El Paso during lack system water drain. Mexico is one should fix it.
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Old 08-01-2007, 10:45 AM   #182 (permalink)
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I would suggest you to visit Google and type "Iraq war is an illegal war" then you will see yourself.

There're no comparision between US-Iraq and US-Spanish. Anyway, did you know that Nazis in Germany were arrested for war crime?
eh? Congress approve and United Nation approve also. Since Iraq didn't let UN inspection their nuke bomb. or did I miss?
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No fence needed for Texas. Put the freshwater crocodiles and piranhas in the Rio Grande.
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...The problem is US Government is skepical to take EU Government's strong advice for get Global Warming after happened Katrina. I really has no idea why....
What does Katrina have to do with global warming, and vice versa?
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Citing wildlife, Mexico seeks border changes
'Barrier would place at risk the various ecosystems that we share'

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Mexico: Species hurt by U.S. border fence - Environment - MSNBC.com


What do you think of this?
Since when is Mexico concerned about our ecology and environment? They better clean up their own back yard before worrying about the USA. If they made improvements in their own economy, maybe their people wouldn't be so motivated to cross the USA border.

Mexico doesn't even care about its people much less animal species. It's a bunch of hooey.
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...The children born in Germany to temporary legal immgrant parents who live for over 5 years with good criminal records and good work reference then they are automatically German. [I](Their children are consider as Muslim-German because their parents are Muslim but Muslim-German consider themselves as German and want to live like Germans)....
I'm a little confused about the "Muslim-German" designation. "Muslim" is a religion, not a race or nationality. Are "Protestant-German", "Jewish-German", and "Catholic-German" also classifications?
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...Remember, the terrorists are EVERYWHERE in the world, not just Iraq and Islam countries. Why attack only them?
Thanks for the reminder. Who should we attack next? Iran? Syria? Pakistan? Libya? Others? What do you suggest?
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...Did you know that US military build in Africa? Can you please explain me what is the reason they build there in Africa for?
The USA has military bases all over the world. The reason is to shorten deployment time to the front lines in case of war, and to shorten the supply and support lines while deployed. It's easier, quicker, and cheaper to get back and forth from the front lines to the supplies and support if the military has forward bases and ports, instead of shipping everyone and everything back and forth from the USA.
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But I don't think the war against terrorist are illegal.
Have you read Cheri´s post # 178?

How do you know that Iraqi are terrorists? Everyone knows that Iraqi are not terrorist... Why attack them for?
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Get real Texan Guy, We fought a country that has nothing to do with us, a majority of Americans thinks it was NOT worth going to war in Iraq. You may think that it would stop terrorists from entering our country, It doesn't. It has been going on for so long and there are times we fought and fought, nothing changes for the better. Instead of fighting a war, they need to come up with a bright plan to prevent it from happening again, which meaning more tight securities, keep illegal aliens out. Look at the cost of the war, costs also have been higher than expected. I think sending U.S. troops to Iraq was one big mistake.
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I do not see why they use Iraq as an excuse to against terrorists... Why Iraq?
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eh? Congress approve and United Nation approve also. Since Iraq didn't let UN inspection their nuke bomb. or did I miss?
What is the reason they approve for?
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What does Katrina have to do with global warming, and vice versa?

I am surprised that you didn´t know about this.

German Papers: Katrina Should be A Lesson To US on Global Warming - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News
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I'm a little confused about the "Muslim-German" designation. "Muslim" is a religion, not a race or nationality. Are "Protestant-German", "Jewish-German", and "Catholic-German" also classifications?
I should put "German-Turkish" instead of muslim-german on my response post toward Barbaro.

Normally yes, they are being consider to be German-Turkish but it´s habit for the people to use those word "muslim-german" because they protest against German Government or other people who "offence" them. I was like huh? when the people use those word "muslim-german" and then explain why... Ooohhh...
It´s knowledge of their behavior who born and raise in Germany and being influence by muslim parents who are strong belief. Anyway, many German-Turkish are neutral and like to be German and has nothing do with muslim religion.
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Since when is Mexico concerned about our ecology and environment? They better clean up their own back yard before worrying about the USA. If they made improvements in their own economy, maybe their people wouldn't be so motivated to cross the USA border.

Mexico doesn't even care about its people much less animal species. It's a bunch of hooey.
Thank you for share your view on this article. I can understand the point what you explain... I would be interesting to hear Barbaro´s response on this article to see what she think of those article.

I like to see both sides.
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Thanks for the reminder. Who should we attack next? Iran? Syria? Pakistan? Libya? Others? What do you suggest?
wow You don´t understand... I also would consider you as a terrorist, too if you want to attack them with no proof.

Don´t you know that the terrorists are here, there, and everywhere in many countries?...

Did you know that there´re many organizations against people in many countries? If yes, why attack Iraq for?
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The USA has military bases all over the world. The reason is to shorten deployment time to the front lines in case of war, and to shorten the supply and support lines while deployed. It's easier, quicker, and cheaper to get back and forth from the front lines to the supplies and support if the military has forward bases and ports, instead of shipping everyone and everything back and forth from the USA.
All over the world? I only know that US military bases are in many countries but not all over the world. I know that they have good reason to station in many countries to defend against enemies - it´s easier, quicker and cheaper... sure but Africa...?

Anyway, it´s Africa, I am asking question about... Why they built base in Africa for? What´s any reason they want to be there in Africa for?
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Have you read Cheri´s post # 178?

How do you know that Iraqi are terrorists? Everyone knows that Iraqi are not terrorist... Why attack them for?
Whoa slow down, I did not say that Iraq is a terrorist. I only say terrorist who attack our WTC towers. We can't just let them go free while they attack our WTC Towers, we should do the revenge against them for it.

BUT I do agree, fighting against Iraq is a illegal and nonsense much nothing do with us.
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... Everyone knows that Iraqi are not terrorist...
You're joking, right?
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Whoa slow down, I did not say that Iraq is a terrorist. I only say terrorist who attack our WTC towers. We can't just let them go free while they attack our WTC Towers, we should do the revenge against them for it.

BUT I do agree, fighting against Iraq is a illegal and nonsense much nothing do with us.
Please forgive me if my post is harsh to you. I doesn´t mean to make harsh post to you... Just wonder to myself why the people are ignorant over that Iraq war which is not necassary.

Yes, I know it´s terrorists who attack WTC Towers but we cannot prove who and which country who did WTC towers. We already have hot debated in several threads over that last year. Why against Iraq? Is it because of terrorisom? Is Iraq responsible for attack WTC towers?
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I do not see why they use Iraq as an excuse to against terrorists... Why Iraq?
We didn't need an "excuse" to attack Iraq; we had a standing UN mandate. Iraq didn't obey the UN, so they paid the price.
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You're joking, right?
Why? How do you know that they are terrorists... Is it´s them who attack WTC towers or any other countries?

I know Saddam is very bad man and treat his people horrible and dirty in his country but terrorists to different country? I don´t know. I need to learn to know more about them if you know that Iraqi are terrorists...

What about this

Is the United States Military a Terrorist Organization?
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Please forgive me if my post is harsh to you. I doesn´t mean to make harsh post to you... Just wonder to myself why the people are ignorant over that Iraq war which is not necassary.

Yes, I know it´s terrorists who attack WTC Towers but we cannot prove who and which country who did WTC towers. We already have hot debated in several threads over that last year. Why against Iraq? Is it because of terrorisom? Is Iraq responsible for attack WTC towers?
It's allright, don't worry about it

Well we already know who make the plan to attack the WTC and other building like the Pentagon during the 9/11, it was Osama Bin Linden and Al Queda, those two are famous "boss" of the terrorist group. But the problem is that we can't find them that easy. It's very hard to find them.

Also good question, why did we attacking on Iraq.. All I know is that Saddam are doing bad threaten on the Iraqi people, and he was in the susepction of support the terrorist. I am not sure if it was 100 percent true, but there's rush rumors that he is.
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I read the link. So? There is nothing there that connects global warming with hurricanes. The headline was very misleading. The articles at that site just tried to make political connections to Katrina so people with agendas could blame President Bush.

Signing the Kyoto Treaty won't stop hurricanes, for crying out loud.
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wow You don´t understand... I also would consider you as a terrorist, too if you want to attack them with no proof.
No proof? You're kidding I hope.

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Don´t you know that the terrorists are here, there, and everywhere in many countries?...
Yeah, so don't you want to do something about them? Don't you want to stop them?

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Did you know that there´re many organizations against people in many countries? If yes, why attack Iraq for?
Do you remember this?


SECURITY COUNCIL HOLDS IRAQ IN ‘MATERIAL BREACH’ OF DISARMAMENT OBLIGATIONS,

OFFERS FINAL CHANCE TO COMPLY, UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTING RESOLUTION 1441 (2002)


Instructs Weapons Inspections to Resume within 45 Days,
Recalls Repeated Warning of ‘Serious Consequences’ for Continued Violations

(full text at SECURITY COUNCIL HOLDS IRAQ IN ‘MATERIAL BREACH’ OF DISARMAMENT OBLIGATIONS, OFFERS FINAL CHANCE TO COMPLY, UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTING RESOLUTION 1441 (2002) )
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We didn't need an "excuse" to attack Iraq; we had a standing UN mandate. Iraq didn't obey the UN, so they paid the price.
Is the attack is the reason is UN (United Nation)?

I have read that many says that they attack Iraq for different reasons... I really don´t know what should I say... *sigh*
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Why? How do you know that they are terrorists... Is it´s them who attack WTC towers or any other countries?
The 9/11 attack was the worst but it wasn't the first time we were attacked by terrorists. There have been many other terrorist attacks against America and Americans.


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What about it? It's a personal blog written by a disgruntled person. I don't give much credence to anyone who supports that fraud Ward Churchill.
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Thank you for share interesting post about Mexico and law but I quote part of your post to response.



I like Mexico's law better "If the children of a Mexican born parent are not born in Mexico, they are automatically Mexicans"... Here in Germany is bit opposite.

The children born in Germany to temporary legal immgrant parents who live for over 5 years with good criminal records and good work reference then they are automatically German. (Their children are consider as Muslim-German because their parents are Muslim but Muslim-German consider themselves as German and want to live like Germans). I know that the German law is too easy for non-Germans to apply for citizenship and legislated when their children born in Germany which mean it's good for legal immigrant to stay here in Germany permanently with no more apply for extend because their children born in Germany.


I assumed the German immigration laws were supposed to be strict. So, you have mentioned they consider themselves Muslim-German. Under German law, Is Muslim recognized as a nationality? I recall vaguely this American woman who was just married to a Danish born husband, but the Danish law prevented them from marry because she is not 24 years old yet. According to Danish law, she has to wait until she turns 24 before she is eligible to marry. So, they got married in the US and were forced to reside in Sweden and she has to learn another language, Swede and has to wait until she turns 24. I am not sure If I am correct about the age of 24. I think it is either 23 or 24.

In Mexico, If foreign parents have children that are Mexican by birth, and must live for two years of residence before they are eligible to request for naturalization. But if they do not have Mexican children, they must reside for five years before they are eligible to become Mexican citizens.

Since I am half Mexican, and if I have resided in Mexico for two years, I can get a Mexican citizenship. I could get a dual citizenship and perhaps I will buy me a beach in Baja!

if a Mexican plans to become the president of Mexico, a person has to be a Mexican by birth and is a child of a Mexican parent and to have resided in the country at least during twenty years.
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I should put "German-Turkish" instead of muslim-german on my response post toward Barbaro.

Normally yes, they are being consider to be German-Turkish but it´s habit for the people to use those word "muslim-german" because they protest against German Government or other people who "offence" them. I was like huh? when the people use those word "muslim-german" and then explain why... Ooohhh...
It´s knowledge of their behavior who born and raise in Germany and being influence by muslim parents who are strong belief. Anyway, many German-Turkish are neutral and like to be German and has nothing do with muslim religion.

That answered my question in my post above.
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Citing wildlife, Mexico seeks border changes
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Mexico: Species hurt by U.S. border fence - Environment - MSNBC.com


What do you think of this?
I've heard this news for a few years since there have been talks of building the fence that initiated concerns such as ecosystem /endangered species issues. I've had some discussion with a friend of mine last year concerning endangered species such as Mexican wolves.

I almost spitted out water when I read the link that indicate "...live fences of cactuses... ". Anyway, it is a good try to replace the proposed fence with live fences of cactuses, but It definitely will not be successful and will not prevent illegals and smugglers from getting across the border. It is easy for anyone to cut down fences of cactuses and get through. I can cut cactus myself with an electric chainsaw. Cactuses can harm animals. I've seen domesticated and wild species in Arizona with thorns all over their faces and bodies. It is hideous sighting!

The link never indicates anything about the tunnels. It is not uncommon illegals and smugglers have been using tunnels that can stretch more than a mile.

I find it so amusing when it states "green corridors of wilderness without roads that would be less attractive to smugglers...." Wha---?! That is what the illegals and smugglers want. It will also give them advantage to get through without being caught by the US border patrol. The Mexican government wants to provide illegals and smugglers full access to the border. The suggestions from Mexico's Environment Department report are a big joke. They may be ecologists, but are not security experts. I think both ecologists and security experts need to transmit together. Unfortunately, both experts will probably dissuade each other for a lifetime.

I have heard of Dr. Exequiel Ezcurra and have read the local articles in the local newspapers from him in San Diego. He is such a passionate scientist and I have agreed with him on many issues toward the Mexican government. He did mention that the Mexican government is ignorant and rather to focus on short-term factors instead of the long-term factors and the society in Mexico needs common sense!

Mexico is making progress extremely slow (I mean, really slow !) protecting the environment areas and endangered species but the government is so consumed by the corruption to neglect to do their public duties. It is not simple to dissuade the officials out of doing illegal actions but they're the sovereign after all.
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It's true that they send some of their earnings home but they also have to spend money on the essentials to live such as food, heating, clothing, rent etc. Also the amounts that get sent home is probably not too much different to what legal residents save in bank accounts etc.

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I am not familiar with the US system but in Australia, illegal migrants and their children cannot use medical services, cannot send their children to school and cannot claim social welfare payments. They also pay higher fees for rents because the landlord knows they are illegals and have to pay cash for everything so that they aren't discovered. Not a great existence but probably better than what they had back home.

I don't personally have a problem with children benefiting from social services - it's not their fault their parents made the choices they did.
If you don't do anything about the children then it will produce a large, uneducated, poor underclass in your country who are more likely to turn to crime to survive. You have to think of it from a pragmatic social policy perspective that works with the givens.



I think it's a myth that terrorists come in as illegal migrants. It's a lot of effort and a lot of risk to come in that way, because you might get caught. Most terrorists are well educated, financially backed and well organised. They will come in on legitimate visas such as education and skilled work visas so as not to arouse suspicion.

Absolutely....they come in as legal immigrants, obtain a decent education, and then many return home to provide benefit of that education to their birth country.
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