Liebling:-)))

I can see the cons/pros from those whole thread here.

My opinion how to aviod more illegal immigrates and commit more crime is:

I can understand why the immigrates come to live different countries is because of improve their education skill, etc. I think Government use their heart and kind to give them the chance to register as a legal immigrant due limit date then they would have the chance to collect their experiences before they are able to go home voluntarity to help the people in their own country? I think it's better than give them a harsh punishment is deport them back to their own country.

It's very rough life for illegal immigrates and their children... Why can't give them chance to learn and collect experiences from our country?


I mean to offer them simple job to work for any companies to earn and school etc...

What do you think?

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Bear

The problem with that logic Liebling is if we offer then jobs and work experiences then where are we gonna find our jobs? After all there are only so many jobs available and if we fill them with illegal immigrants then there are no jobs for legal citizens.

I have a few friends that would love to move to the USA,but they wanna do it legally and I applaud them for that and would welcome them into my country.

One of the major problems with illegals is that a majority of them just bring *organized crime* with them. They aren't really interested in coming here to learn or even to lead a better life. They are coming here because the type of crime *mob or otherwise* earns alot more here than where they currently are.

As for an immigrant wanting to do things legally and lead a better life and have a chance at true freedom *whatever that may be lol* I welcome with open arms.

After all how many of us are true natives of the countries we now live in? Many of us could research our history *geneology* and find that our families once immigrated there from somewhere else.

The saying that illegals will do jobs that many americans wont do is also kaput. Most of those jobs are hiring illegals simply because they will accept low wages and no benefits. So the hiring company takes them over us because is it cheaper and more cost effective on the company.

Give me a meat packing job. I would happily do it, especially if it offered even the smallest benefit package. All I care about is having my doctor,hospital and prescriptions covered. But most employers will rather hire an illegal so they dont even have to provide that much. You will find most poor Americans will do almost any job for the smallest benefit package and for a decent wage of maybe 7-8 dollars an hour. Whereas, illegals will work for 5 dollars an hour or less sometimes with no benefits. So, you tell me why these jobs are so called jobs *americans wont do*? That's actually a myth.

I would work in the fields all day long if they paid me 7-8 dollars an hour with a few health benefits. Heck wal-mart offers about the same. At least in the fields it is outdoors and fresh air.

R2 you said it is a choice to cross due to need. OK fine let me put this example to you. Would you chose to sell drugs or become a hooker if you had to? Its still illegal in MANY countries but yet one could use that same arguement for doing so.

I have been faced many times with having a utility shut off due to no money to pay it. However, does that give me an excuse to break the law to *better my life?* or my childrens?

Not in my eyes it doesnt. It just means I need to work harder and find more legal ways of earning the money needed.

Heck in that case with the excuse let me immigrate to Canada as there they have FREE HEALTHCARE. At least there I wouldnt need to worry about paying for my own healthcare or worry about getting a 2nd job to afford healthcare.

Every country has its own problems. However, I believe it is up to the people of that country to fight for its own problems and find ways to resolve them.

I for one do support immigration if it is done legally and for the reason of wanting change or to find a better life. However, I do not support it if done illegally and with the intention of leading a criminal life as many of them do.

jazzy

Well said!

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jazzy

Enough of it, we give give give give give them all time for many years and more want to come. It will never stops. It gets overcrowded and we do not have enough money for them especially jails for illegal criminals, schools, welfares, foodstamps, section 8 and hospitals have gone bankrupted because they had to take care of them. U did not realize most of states are flat broke. Our government did not do anything for us. Most of them did not pay taxes instead they send money to their homes to support their families. I had it enough. It is enough, no more for them to steal our money to support them.

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Reba

Does Germany "have a heart" for illegal aliens?

The key word is "illegal"; they are in our country illegally; they have broken the law. Why should we reward them for breaking the law? That makes our laws a weak joke.

Foxrac

Certain of illegal immigrants can bring an negative on environment, such as make value of apt looks bad or not worth place to live after apt has been overcrowded, some of them are enjoying to destroy the indoor of unit and landlords aren't happy then end up to paid alot of thousands to maintain this units before citizen or other good immigrants to move in.

For me, I love to take care of environment, keep clean and well maintained.

Reba, would you go teach on them to how cut the grass? some of them don't cut the grass, either.

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Reba

Yes, I would change that to "They take away the jobs from Americans who want to do the work legally."

What many people don't understand is that there are many Americans who must work as unskilled or low-tech laborers. Not everyone can get a college education. Many Americans need those monotonous, dirty, dangerous, boring jobs, and they are glad to get them. They are hard working, honest people, maybe with limited education and technical skills, but valuable to our society nonetheless.

Unfortunately, they are also "quiet" people in the political arena, so the louder voices promoting this myth get more attention.

I know many LEGAL American people working in poultry plants, housekeeping, landscaping, construction, fast food service, bagging groceries, etc. Many of them are Deaf. Do they want their jobs taken away by cheaper illegal labor? NO!

Foxrac

Get job at wal-mart then you are safe.

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They can watch and copy me. I cut the grass for my yard, and my elderly neighbors' yard. I also rake leaves, trim bushes, sweep sidewalks, prune tree branches, weed, water, plant flowers, lay mulch, stone and brick, and do other landscaping tasks. I also do some of the volunteer "special" landscaping (including picking up trash that people toss out of their cars) for our neighborhood's front entrance.

Reba

I know some Deaf people who worked at Wal-mart, too.

Foxrac

There's pic about how certain of illegal immigrants are cause like that but in case, some legal immigrants are doing like that, that's remain me like in redneck neighborhood in outside of Altanta, aka in North GA. All of pic are happened in one district that where I used to live, that's central of valley area, it's inner suburb.














It's not alone in several district of valley area, also there's some cities in CA looks like that, such as Newhall section of Santa Clarita, central/some portion of south of Fontana, central of Ontario, some portion of San Bernardino, also I'm talking about suburb, not urban, unlike East LA, North Long Beach and Westlake, all of 3 are in urban.

I'm sure that happen in Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, Nevada and few part of Chicago suburb too.

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as I know why more illegal immigrating from Mexico, because everybody in there cannot afford to make legal enter US.

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Foxrac

Not always...

Some illegal immigrants don't know how to obtain the green card until someone are trying help them to find in somewhere, also in case, some of illegal immigrants are crossed into USA and wait to got green card in few month later or whatever.

There's more reason to cross into USA so illegally than can't afford to obtain the green card.

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[QUOTE=Pacman;811873]FYI, Dallas and Fort Worth has too many latino population, that means ban on illegal immigrants from rent the apt is nowhere, or enforce is too weak.[QUOTE]

I don't know if you heard about it or not. I saw it on the local news (Austin) and even on CNN. They banned it on illegal immigrants for rent the apartments in that small town near Dallas or Fort Worth. I haven't heard from them since they were on the news.

I know that area has a lot of hispanic population, tho. Been that, and done that.

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Reba

Yes, I know the process; I've helped a legal immigrant get a green card and state residency card. Illegal aliens are not allowed to get green cards. If they do get them, they did it illegally (therefor, breaking yet another law).


They are not legally eligible for green cards, not even a few months later.

jag

Hi R2
I am very aware that the Mexican citizens aren't exactly rich. I've very aware that the children in Mexico go to school and actually have to learn their math facts in 3rd grade of the flunk and continue in that grade. I'm very aware that those children actually go to school for half a day and then work half a day starting around 12 I think my co worker said. To quote her...My country may be poor but my son would still be in 3rd grade. (when speaking about her sons math skills to his math teacher.

It's easy for someone who's country is surrounded by water to condemm those who have to deal with illegal aliens who can just walk across the border. It's much harder and much more hazardess to be smuggled in across the water. If I do recall those being smuggled into Australia a few years back were refused landing and supposedly were supposed to go back to their home country, in this case it would have been SE Asian countries. The reason for that refusal was? (probably the problems the group was in general causing) they to were poor and just wanted a better life for themselves.

While I do feel for the Mexican citizens, we do have legal ways to immigrate. At this time it will take the co workers sister 9 yrs ( I think she said) to get a green card and immigrate leagally, which she is I believe in the process of doing now since she turns 50 in a couple years and will then have to retire from her teaching job.

Mexico itself actually enforces it's own immigration laws and arrests and deports people from other countries, mostly those south of them trying to get somewhere where they can find jobs to improve their life. So if it's good from Mexico to enforce it's laws (and really they are not as nice about it as we are) why is it concidered bad if we the citizens of the USA insist that OUR laws be enforced.

While I feel for them, I want them to straighten out the mess in their country.

sequoias

Cough! That's very dirty! Those kind of areas like that are rare in Washington state. Not many mexicans live here and high percentage of immigrants are asians.

Foxrac

Just question, Does illegal immigrants are included in count of population? I forgot about something but some people said no, even don't included in count of population.

Few parts has been cleaned up so recently before I left in 2006.

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Now, California is become more diffcult for illegal immigrants to cross into USA, that what I found from wikipedia, also more illegal immigrants are crossing into USA from Texas, New Mexico and Arizona.

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Foxrac

[QUOTE=Texan Guy;812145][QUOTE=Pacman;811873]FYI, Dallas and Fort Worth has too many latino population, that means ban on illegal immigrants from rent the apt is nowhere, or enforce is too weak.Oh yup, it's from Farmers Branch.

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Yeah I agree with you, there is lot of Asian immigrants around Washington, especially Seattle, but oddly they didn't make any dirty like Mexicans.

Maria

I wouldn't be surprised if there's goin' to be a new law for all residents to clean up their mess on their yards or they will be charged for litterin' on their yards.

Texan Guy

Yes, it's that town. Trying to think the name of that town all day. lol

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Foxrac

Just watch out for federal, Hazleton made similar law as Farmers Branch but strucked down by federal as unconstitutional but law in Farmers Branch is under temporary restraining order.

The demographic statistic in Farmers Branch is roughly same number as Van Nuys in 1990's but now, latino has became nearly majority in Van Nuys, also only big difference is population, Farmers Branch is just small city.

Make english to be official language is bad idea for business, if latino that who is legal immigrants and can make new business to be under spanish language, long as we aren't need visit or shopping, based on people's choice. Just such as Chinatown, Little Tokyo and other district with cultural.

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There's some cities, or even district have laws to require to maintain or clean up, such as keep communities to be nice, it's existing in certain of cities.

There's your favorite small tv on grass, near to street then hurry to pick it up.

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Nah, I don't need an extra TV. I have mine enough.

Liebling:-)))

Bear, Jazzy & Reba, thank you for responsed my post. I can understand and have to give you right about this.

But...

It could be that the immigrants' application to be legal immigrant are being reject that's why it turn them into illegal immigrant and commit more crimes?

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Liebling:-)))

[QUOTE]I would say Yes and No.

At first, German Goverment have heart for immigrates who apply to be legal immigrate because of work/residence permit. They tried to give them the chance to improve their education so they give them between 6 months to one year... maybe more than one year time... Depend on difference reasons.

Until their application to be extend are being reject then they become illegal and hide somewhere and work in black market, etc... to aviod deportation to back to their own countries.

They have hard heart when illegal immigration disrespect and disown them after what they offered their help in first place. They deport them back to their own country..

They won't being treat as crime here in Germany only if they respect German law for return to their own country voluntarliy without deport them back to their country.

German Government has no heart for illegal immigration...
Illegal Immigrants in Germany: No Work, School or Medical Care - JOURNAL CHRETIEN


Suggestion:

It could be that the people's application to be legal immigation are being reject, that's why they stay in America illegal. ?

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Liebling:-)))

Well, you helped "illegal" immigrant to be legal immigrant for get a green card, etc.

What you do when you tried to help "illegal" immigrant to be legal immigrant to get green card, are being reject?

Few friends, I know - apply to stay in America up to 3 or 6 months via visa with no work permit. Few months before the date, they apply for extend but their application are being reject and said that they should go back to their country for 6 to one year then return to America again then their application are accept up to one to two years. It depends on difference reasons.

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Reba

No, I didn't. The person was a LEGAL immigrant. I helped a LEGAL immigrant get a LEGAL green card.

Please read again my original quote:

"Yes, I know the process; I've helped a legal immigrant get a green card and state residency card."

I even bolded "legal" in my original post to avoid confusion.


I would NEVER help an illegal alien try to get a green card. That is breaking the law.


That's right. People must obey the law.

Some of our missionaries and church staff are applying for dual citizenship. In the meantime, they're required to make many expensive, inconvenient trips back and forth between the two countries. They don't like to do that but they obey the law, and they do it. That's what people must do. Obey the law.