Reba

Yes, I know about that. I'm disgusted that it's my own birth state. I'm not surprised it happened in New Haven though.

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(1. American border guards who provide them with water and first aid.)

They just should let those illegal immigrants rot in the desert instead of paying our taxes to save them. They choosed to illegally try enter the United States without requesting for some help on how to enter the States legally.

mame

I wish it will be this way I am sure that is how it was meant to be (the Land), but while while there will always be people who dont see it as land so there is a need for protection.

R2D2

That's a cop out. Most poor people are powerless politically speaking. And anyway, you need to provide for your family first and immediately. Are you telling me that if you were a poor Mexican who had a large family dependent on you that you'd be telling yourself "but I can't do that to the good people of America who would suffer if I made a border crossing to provide for my family?" No, of course not. You'd do what it takes to keep your family surviving.

They are called the "Minutemen". I'm surprised you haven't heard of them - I watched a TV documentary about them here in Australia. Here's a link to a newpaper story: US border vigilantes declare war on themselves | Special reports | Guardian Unlimited


Maybe so. But do you now understand why it wouldn't be the smartest way for a terrorist to get into America? A lot of the terrorists are educated, middle class, have money and want to do things efficiently without drawing attention to themselves. And the best way to do that is to go the legal route.

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R2D2

Niiiiice! I bet you wouldn't feel that way if you were poor and in Mexico and you didn't qualify for any of the visas due to lack of education, work skills and finances. Everything looks so easy when it's not your problem.

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Foxrac

It's not for illegal immigrants, that's mexican's culture, even with big families that live in small unit like 2-3 bedroom apt. I had seen that legal immigrants (Mexicans) are doing like that. When back in 70's, one district that where I used to live and population was under 50,000 in 70's then increased after 150,000 due massive apt complexes that which is most are built in 70's to present. Please don't bash on their culture, just show an respect to them as culture.

I'm got tired of racist that bash on their culture and racial.

Some of them aren't in overcrowded, depends on them but there's several men that who are working class and live in 1-2 bedroom apt so overcrowded.

I'm partly latino because of my father that born from latino father and white mother, also I'm US citizen.

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jazzy

We should invade Mexico and Mexico become USA since it seems everyone from there want to come here to take our jobs and homes because they want same thing we have here. And to change their government's system to get rid of crook politicals and cops.

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Reba

Americans are too soft hearted to do that.

Reba

That's a cop out.

Most revolutions are manned by the poor people.

Tell that to the average poor guy who fought in the American Revolution, and froze and starved at Valley Forge.

Or he might think, "Ha, why should I bother struggling with my government when I can just cross the Rio and get a job."

I know all about the Minutemen, and they are NOT vigilantes. They don't break any laws at the borders. They don't shoot at anyone crossing border. They report border crossings to legal authorities (like any citizen can and should do), and let them handle the confrontation. The Minutemen have actually provided food, water, and first aid to some border crossers in need.


Not "maybe". It's happening.


Some, not all.

Reba

A dozen men in two rooms is not the same as parents, children, and grandparents sharing an apartment. The multi-generation living together is cultural. The large group of unrelated young males is not culture.


Those that are overcrowded are breaking occupancy laws. Most residential areas have limits to how many unrelated people can live together in a certain number of square feet. It has nothing to do with racism. A dozen Swedish guys can't live in an 800 sq. ft. apt. either.

PuyoPiyo

They are required to be US citizen to receive the paychecks from the job in America. It's impossible for them to receive the paycheck while they are not US citizen and don't have any IDs.

Sheila

They are supposed to be a citizen, but they don't have to be a citizen to receive a paycheck. That's where stolen identities, companies that know the loopholes, and paying under the table come into play.

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PuyoPiyo

Wow, I didn't know that.. I just don't know how they do it..

Sheila

Yeah, sucks huh? There are laws in place to avoid such things from happening, but there are also speed limits too. Just because someone may or may not be watching all the time doesn't mean they will be enforcing the law fully.

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Foxrac

It's not so often in here but occupancy law is weak or hardly to enforce in LA. You said dozens of men live in one bedroom apt, that's rare to me but most are under 10 in 2-3 bedroom apt, that where I saw like that, it is actually from families like grandparent, uncle, aunt, cousin and other members. It's depends on their families but men that who live in overcrowded are nowhere, but some of your statement are true, just certain of buildings.

You will notice about same thing in Mexico, like in Mexico City but it can be their culture but who cares, that's none of our business.

Your statement are probably an issue in SC, that's not my place to live.

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Foxrac

No, not require to be US citizen to get paycheck from workplace, legal immigrant and illegal immigrants can get paycheck too but illegal immigrants have more restricted to use feature, some workplace like wal-mart is more strict because require to proof of green card or SSN card but other workplace aren't.

Ok, better to determine...
US Citizen- more freedom to across, like can open new account at bank, get more benefits from job and can vote on election.
Legal Immigrant- Same as more rights as US citizen except for vote and other few system.
Illegal Immigrant-More restricted to across, not many rights as US citizen and legal immigrant, such as can't open the account but only live off with cash, also can't vote but some of them are break to across like drive the car with no license, even or uninsured.

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Ohh that explain clearly..

jag

[QUOTE=Liebling:-)));809744]There are laws in this country against hiring illegal aliens. The problem is our goverment (both parties) wants cheap labor for thier donors so they pass laws and do nothing to enforce them. Case to point the raids that netted a law number of illegal aliens at the meat packing plant last winter. Those were jobs that 'Americans won't do'. The problem is that the illegals will work for less then Americans and they really aren't covered by workplace laws so can't say much. But what was really funny was the number of Americans that applied to fill those positions when the illegals were arrested. At this time since the great 'amnesty' didn't pass the enforcement seems to have gone down toilet again, proving alot of us that the raids were just window dressing to lull the citizens back to sleep. Unfortunately 20 yrs or so of promises not kept have made many of us sceptical. But not to worry at this time our 'esteemed' (said with much sarcasum) leaders are still working dilligently to make those who jumped the line leagel. This will of course make those who are working to get the proper papers to come here wait even longer, and by making those workers leagle rather then enforceing the laws, those now legal workers will move on to much better paying jobs. and so it will go.

At this time there are cities passing laws making it unlawful to rent or give welfare to people who are not citizens or LEGAL immigrants.

jag

I do know LEGAL immiigrants from Mexico. Even they while symphthetic with their fellow Mexicans do not like the way illegals depress the wages they earn when they come here. Mexico is a very oil rich country run by people from what I understand from my friend an co worker haven't even been in Mexico for that long, they come from the island countries or something. (she speaks excellent english is and american citizens but sometimes things are hard to understand) Mexico DOES in fact have ways to help it's own people and it's the people of Mexico who in the end have to do something about the corrupt people in charge. We cannot become a home to every one who can't. THere is also the misconnception that most Mexicans area uneducated. Perhaps in some areas, but most do go to school at least through 7th or 8th grade, and believe me she says she had to tell her 6th grade sons teacher that while her country is poor her son would still be in 3rd grade with his current math skills. WHile I feel for them I do not feel I owe them anything when they break my countries laws. Plus they make it much harder for those coming here legally.

The minutemen are people who really care about this country. They started patroling when people who own land on the border complained about the illegals crossing their property. Some things you don't here are the amount of garbage being left in the deserts. The number of people who live on the borders who have to keep their doors locked all the time. (it's not only the nice people who are coming across, there are also a large number of gang members, drug smugglers and criminals) The minute men were started to help address that problem.

We'll agree to disagree I think.

jag

Native American's were devided in to many different tribes and they did fight over land and such to so they really weren't much different then my ancestors, they were of course desimated by diseases brought by the settlers and the superior arms.

You seem to think that we should condone (sp?) people breaking our laws to get here. Sorry but no thanks. We are NOT against leagal immigration. Perhaps if our 'esteemed' (extreme sarcasm) lawmakers would show us some enforcement for a few years we'd agreed to let them up leagel immigration without making so much noise. Actually the so called 'immigration reform' might have been snuck through all in one piece of the Mexicans had not taken to the streets waving the Mexican flag....nothing like showing your contempt for the country you supposedly want to be a part of. As it is, right now our 'esteemed' leaders (said with extreme sarcasm) are sneaking through a bill to 'leagalize" (give green cards to) some farm workers here illegally to 'releive' the labor shortage in that area. Unfortunately once they get thier green card they'll move on to much better paying jobs, then we'll need more to do those jobs that even MExicans once legal won't do. (time for some areas of farming to use some ingenuity and mechanize I think)

Reba

Around here, they live mostly in the trailer parks. In some parks, they are majority Hispanic.

We know several property managers, and they've told us about how they rent out a two-bedroom apartment to two guys, and then find out later that ten more moved in (not always at the same time).

Foxrac

Oh, that alot to me, 10 people in one trailer looks extremely overcrowded.

It does happen about certain of apt units are like that in Chicago.

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Somewhere the town in Dallas/Fort Worth banned the illegal immigrants to rent the apartments. We should to do that. I'm strongly against the illegal immigrants, tho.

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R2D2

So, do you think that the poor people of Mexico should revolt against their leaders and install new leaders who will suddenly give them a decent standard of living, their children an education etc. Where are the leaders going to get the money from to pay for this that the current leaders could not do? Mexico is already a democracy, why should people revolt against that?

Wouldn't you? Are you honestly telling me that in their shoes you would say to grandma, grandpa, your wife and your six children "just wait a bit longer for food, medical treatment and accommodation until I start the revolution and then everything will be provided for you." Would you really do that? Be honest. Revolutions take years to enact and you need a critical mass of the population to support a revolution. And then again, why would you revolt against a democracy?

Okay, you seem to have gone to semantics about words here. I don't care what they are called vigilantes, good citizens whatever. The original point was that a terrorist is not going to waste their time crossing the border this way when there is still a reasonable chance that he will get caught, possibly questioned and give away the plot.

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I don't condone lawbreaking. But my point is that I understand why many of the illegal migrants are doing it. They are poor and they have families to provide for.

I do not honestly believe that any of you here who show their contempt for illegals would not do the same if you were in their shoes. If I had dependents who needed medical treatment, went hungry a lot but didn't have the money, education or workskills to apply for a visa, I certainly would. Can one person here stand up and tell me they would not do that out of greater pity for the people of America such as yourselves?

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Foxrac

FYI, Dallas and Fort Worth has too many latino population, that means ban on illegal immigrants from rent the apt is nowhere, or enforce is too weak.

USA has weak immigrant law, even not enforce so well, there's debate about new law but nothing right now.

Deport them to other countries can be cost alot, from your taxpayer, some state or cities aren't able to afford to deport them to other countries, or funding cut on deport. When they are deported at once then they will come back to USA again, that's tough.

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Barbaro

I used to live in Mexico City for years and currently live in one of the largest cities in the San Diego County. The border is only 40 minutes away from where I live. The local media (San Diego News) have been reporting the situations regularly such as the tunnels were discovered, selling the babies, Americans stuck in the Mexican jails, migrant camps, human smuggling (such as Chinese smuggling and coyotes), the illegals trying to across the border, border patrol, Mexican cops, and Minutemen.

Years ago, there was one of the incidents that I still remember. The Mexican seller from Tijuana came to sell kitten dolls at the vendor booth. He did follow the US policy except one thing. It had turned out that kitten dolls were actually real kittens. He was selling dead kittens. He had faced animal cruelty charges on US soil. I have been listening to tons of stories on how illegals push the limits in order to sneaking into the US. Unfortunately the human smuggling activity exists in Carlsbad, Oceanside, Carmel Mountain, and almost every city in the whole San Diego County. Some illegal immigrants use their naturalized US citizen family member's SSI and name in order to get a job and can be able to form the businesses easily. There are some hangouts where you can get them for a quick job.

I know two councilmen and a councilwoman who voted to pass the law for fining the landlords for renting illegals in the apartments. One of the councilmen, Sam Abed is a naturalized US citizen from Lebanon who supported the law. They have accused him of being a racist at the city hall meetings. He had received death threats. His gas station is only two blocks away from me. I have witnessed the meetings where they discussed the bill before they voted it twice. According to CA law, once they pass the bill, they have to pass it again. Many people applauded Sam Abed and showed up at his gas station to fill the gas by showing the support. There were also others boycott his business and had tried to destroy his gas station business, but the business is getting stronger. A councilwoman, Marie Waldon, who was the one who came up with a proposal who had received two bodyguards from the police department for a while. They have vandalized her business, egging her house, calling her a racist etc. Now, The judge Houston blocked the law before it went in effect. The city hall gave up the fight because paying the private lawyers cost a fortune.

There are some Latin countries born Minutemen who are against illegal immigration as well. There are Hispanic organizations that oppose illegal immigration such as "Don't speak for me organization" And the illegals have accused Hispanics of being racists, too.

A friend of mine plans to join in the politics after he finishes public administration in master degree. He thinks he came up with a solution called "indentured servants." Oh, well..

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Foxrac

That's major problem in Mexico, such as government system isn't good and there's many fake cops in anywhere, that why about many Mexicans are got frustrated and end up to move in USA for better life, but illegal immigrants have many restricted to across and easier to felony on them, depends on area that where got it.

Mexico has deported many illegal immigrants into their countries like in central america and south america, also some are deporting in USA, long as they are US citizen and trying cross after Mexico.

For me, I believe that illegal immigrants in USA are require to obtain an ID or card to allow to stay in USA, also force them to pay taxes, even from paycheck and file for tax info. They are working on new system that can solve the issue instead of deport in other countries. If they got caught then they must obtain an ID or card then use that for job and across to other system, also they need pay the fine before can become US citizen after live in for 5 years or more.

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Yes, your post make sense. Thank you for explanation.

After read those whole thread, I think that the US restriction of immigration law is a weak and not safety. IMO

Example:
Further read in this link.
VDARE.com: Who’s Afraid Of 9/11? Illegal Aliens Still Get Sensitive U.S. Jobs, by Rob Sanchez

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