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Germany Demands Release of Teen from Turkish Prison


A German teenager on holiday in Turkey has been held in an Antalyan prison cell for allegedly molesting a British girl. Now the German foreign minister is demanding the boy's release.

The flirtations of a 17-year-old German schoolboy are now headed towards a diplomatic confrontation between Germany and Turkey.

German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said Monday that he would seek release of the teenager, Marco Weiss, who has been held for 10 weeks in a Turkish jail over allegations that he had sexually molested a 13-year-old British girl, referred to as Charlotte M., while vacationing in a popular Turkish resort on the Antalyan coast.

The girl's mother had demanded that Turkish police arrest and prosecute Weiss for sexually molesting her daughter, according to Germany's Der Spiegel Online. The teenager claimed that he had only flirted with and kissed the girl, who said she was 15 years old.

Harsh prison conditions

Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: There was no response from Turkey to Germany's demands Weiss has been held in a cell with a single lavatory and toilet that he shares with 30 other prisoners since early April. His parents, who were in Antalya, told the German press that they were allowed to see their son only once a week and were separated from him by a glass screen.

"He is in very bad shape physically and psychologically," said the family lawyer Jürgen Schmidt at a press conference in the small town of Ülzen in Lower Saxony, where the parents live. "Marco sees himself as completely innocent and is baffled by what is going on."

The Weiss family had already appealed to the Turkish justice authorities to release their son, but their pleas went unheeded.

Marco Weiss was supposed to be freed on bail until a court hearing scheduled for July 6, which has been postponed, according to a spokesman from the foreign ministry. But a Turkish judge had denied his release.

German appeal

Now the German government has issued an appeal for the schoolboy's immediate release from prison at the highest level.

"This is a tragic case that does not leave us unmoved," said Steinmeier at a human rights conference in southern Germany. "We are giving as much support to the family as we can. Our embassy is taking action. I'll be meeting the Turkish ambassador tomorrow and will demand the release of the 17-year-old."

There was no immediate response from the Turkish government to Germany's demands. An editorial in the Turkish newspaper Hurriyet however strongly criticized the German government for "insulting the Turkish justice system."

Unfair criticism?

"It would be unthinkable for the Turkish government to ask the German government in such a manner to free a Turkish citizen imprisoned in Germany," the newspaper wrote.

Marco's mother is back in Turkey to give support to her son. His father is undergoing chemotherapy treatment for leukemia in Germany.

In the last few weeks, Marco was supposed to sit for his high school exams and had already applied for admission to a technical school. If convicted, he would face up to eight years in jail.

Germany Demands Release of Teen from Turkish Prison | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 25.06.2007


It's scary situation... :Ohno:

It must be sucker when I demand my sons to check girls' ID when they meet in Turkey...
 
Turkish Romance Ends in Prison for German TeenBy Carsten Holm

A 17-year-old German student faces up to eight years in Turkish prison. His offense? Kissing and fondling a 13-year-old British girl who allegedly lied about her age. The case has dragged on for two months without formal charges -- and with the boy still waiting in a Turkish jail.

Once a week, letters emerge noisily from the fax machine in the home of 17-year-old high school student Marco Weiss's parents in Uelzen, the German state of Lower Saxony region. They testify to desperation: "I dream about being with you, and suddenly you're gone forever. I don't know how to live through this. I want to finally get out of here," the letters read. And: "I'm so upset for having talked to the girl."

Marco Weiss writes to his parents from a prison in Antalya, one of the largest tourist locations on Turkey's Mediterranean coast. The girl he approached during his Easter vacation there is called Charlotte M. She is British, 13 years old and from Manchester.

Turkey's criminal investigation department arrested the high school student on April 11 for some alleged heavy petting with the girl the night before. He's accused of nothing less than child abuse, despite the fact that the girl, who looks older than her age, is said to have told him she was 15. Holiday hanky-panky between teenagers.

The case has German politicians and diplomats outraged. Peter Struck, the parliamentary leader of the Social Democrats (SPD) and a representative of the Celle-Uelzen electoral district, declares himself "appalled by the prison conditions the young man finds himself in, and the course of the criminal proceedings." He expects Turkey to ensure "that Marco Weiss is released from prison promptly" and that the proceedings are "concluded as quickly as possible."

Attempts by Weiss's lawyer to obtain his release on bail until the main trial have failed so far -- despite the fact that his parents, who have already had to pay the Turkish law firm a €7,000 ($9,413) advance, could probably afford to also pay the likely bail of between €10,000 and €20,000 ($13,449 and $26,898), albeit with great difficulty.

The boy faces up to eight years in prison if he is convicted. If the court classifies the case as less serious, the high school student could get away with three years. He would likely never be taken to court on the same charge in Germany.

An Eight-Year Sentence?

In late March the Weiss family left for a two-week Easter vacation in Turkey, a country they knew fairly well. Marco, his 49-year-old mother Martina, a certified social worker, and his 48-year-old father Ralf Jahns, a trained lawyer who works as a taxi driver, flew to the city of Antalya and stayed, again, at the Clubhotel Voyage Sorgun Select in a smaller town called Side. The climate on Turkey's Mediterranean coast always improved Marco's asthma and eczema. This time his father also needed some rest: Having fallen ill with leukemia, he has just endured prolonged chemotherapy.

At first it was a pleasant vacation. Marco Weiss stayed in a room with his parents and got to know people quickly. Family and friends say he's a friendly, modest, flexible boy respected by kids as well as adults at the Uelzen branch of Germany's Federal Agency for Technical Relief. Every evening he roamed the hotel -- which features a water slide, a modern amphitheater, 13 bars and a disco -- with a clique of young Germans and Britons.

By midnight on the last evening of the family's vacation, Marco had not yet returned to the room. That was nothing unusual. His parents tended to give him plenty of leeway, and he never abused their trust. The only thing that was unusual was that two Turkish police officers were waiting for the family at the reception the next morning, and that they asked the 17-year-old to accompany them for an interrogation. They said it was a matter of sexual abuse. "I even told Marco that if he had gone to bed with a girl he should feel free to admit it," Martina Weiss remembers. Her son "laughed and thought it was all a mix-up," she adds.

But it wasn't just a mix-up: Charlotte M.'s mother had charged the young German with sexually abusing her daughter. The scene of the crime was the double bedroom the 13-year-old girl stayed in with her 14-year-old sister, according to Mrs. M., who had booked a separate room for herself.

The circumstances are bizarre. It's strange enough that the 40-year-old mother apparently allowed her adolescent daughters to roam the enormous hotel complex unsupervised until after midnight. But around 12:30 a.m., the two daughters returned to their room with no less than three guests. Marco Weiss was among them. He had flirted with the 13-year-old, who seemed older. The 14-year-old sister, who allegedly claimed to be 16, had brought along her own holiday acquaintance. A third young British girl followed the two couples. She was quite tired, lay down on the double bed and soon fell asleep.

Marco Weiss got cozy with Charlotte M. while her older sister and her companion amused themselves on the balcony. No one denies Marco and Charlotte made out under the blanket. In an interrogation during which he was barely given a chance to say anything, the high school student answered the question of whether or not they had sex with, "Yes." He was not able to explain what he meant. A gynaecological examination revealed that the 13-year-old is still a virgin.

To this day, no one has suggested that Marco Weiss behaved violently, put pressure on the girl, or even harassed her. While the mother claimed during a witness hearing that her daughter was "sleeping" during the alleged sexual abuse, this account seems difficult to sustain against the facts. It's been determined that alcohol or other drugs were not involved, so it's highly implausible that the 13-year-old could have slept through anything. In the event of an assault she could have asked her acquaintance -- who was sleeping on the other side of the double bed -- or her sister, on the balcony, for help.

"We have no idea whatsoever what prompted Charlotte's mother to make this legal complaint," says Martina Weiss.

Degrading Prison Conditions

The public prosecutor's office in Antalya continues to view Marco Weiss as a criminal suspect despite these obvious inconsistencies. But before charges are pressed, Charlotte M. will be interrogated again. The Turkish authorities have asked the British judiciary to conduct the interrogation, citing a mutual legal assistance agreement. It could take weeks before the interrogation takes place. Marco has already missed his final exams.

The 17-year-old will have to remain in the decrepit Antalya prison at least until his case is reviewed on July 6. Marco shares his cell with 30 convicts and other prisoners on remand; his roommates are people charged with petty crimes or personal assault from Ukraine, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kosovo and Belgium. The water in the cell is undrinkable, and Marco Weiss's skin is infected because of his eczema. Moreover, he's now being discriminated against by several other detainees, because a warden has revealed the reason for his arrest.

Until now, his parents have taken turns traveling to Antalya in order to visit their son in prison for between eight and 10 minutes, once a week. But now Martina Weiss has to work, and her husband has gone to a health resort for his cancer. Marco Weiss is being visited by his Turkish lawyers and employees of the German consulate in Antalya.

One of his lawyers is thirty-one-year-old Ahmet Ünal Ersory. His job is to ensure "that Marco is released from prison as quickly as possible." But, he adds, the high school student is not being treated with unusual severity. "Every Turkish citizen would be treated the same way, given the same accusations."

The Turkish courts come off as stubborn to other people, though, and Marco's case reinforces some doubts as to whether the country is really ready to join the European Union. Sixty-year-old criminal law expert and criminologist Monika Frommel, for example, thinks it is "outrageous how the Turkish judiciary is criminalizing a young man."

In Frommel's opinion, what happened between the German high school student and the British girl should be viewed and assessed exclusively as "an exemplary case of socially typical behavior." It's known, she adds, that a third of all girls in Germany already have sexual experiences by age 13. She thinks the case would have closed by now in Germany without any further investigation, even if Marco Weiss had known that the girl was only 13 -- assuming no violence was involved. The case is an example for Frommel of the "terror of outdated ideas about morality," and suggests "that the Turks have not yet arrived in Europe."

Midnight Express Revisited: Turkish Romance Ends in Prison for German Teen - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News


Normally they should arrest the mother of 2 girls for her negligent supervision to allow her 2 girls to go out alone until after midnight and then suddenly play as "caring mother" and file a charge against Marco... *scratch my head*
 
WTF!!!!!
I did heard about that yesterday. too bad!
poor thing Marco :(
I am sure, EU-president wouldnt become to EU turkey country, because turkey didnt listen what EU-president said about rules EU.
 
It shows how important it is to know the laws and customs of the country that you visit. When you are in another country you are subject to their ways, not your ways. Turkey is one country that is notorious for their strict laws and horrible prison conditions.
 
It's known, she adds, that a third of all girls in Germany already have sexual experiences by age 13.

That is so sad. :(
 
WTF!!!!!
I did heard about that yesterday. too bad!
poor thing Marco :(
I am sure, EU-president wouldnt become to EU turkey country, because turkey didnt listen what EU-president said about rules EU.

Yes, it's really sad... All what we hope for him to get out of prison.

This situation remind me of 11 years old Swiss-American boy.

American human rights under European watchdog


Yes that's right, Turkey are being reject to join EU until they have to obey EU rules and stick it...
 
It shows how important it is to know the laws and customs of the country that you visit. When you are in another country you are subject to their ways, not your ways. Turkey is one country that is notorious for their strict laws and horrible prison conditions.

The girl, Marco flirted with is not Turkish Native.

Marco did is not crime.
 
The girl, Marco flirted with is not Turkish Native.
So? This happened in Turkey, right? When you are in another country, you have to obey their laws.

Like you said in other threads, if people are in Germany, you expect them to obey German laws. Well, it's the same thing for other countries. When you go to their country, you have to obey their laws. It works both ways.

Marco did is not crime.
If it is against the law in Turkey, and he did it in Turkey, then it is a crime in Turkey.
 
But it sound paraniod to ask for their IDs.
Well, then you take your chances, and accept the consequences.

Of course, if two people meet at school, or know each other for years in the neighborhood, they know each other's ages. If a guy meets a girl in a different country, and wants a one-night stand, then he's taking all kinds of chances about her age, the laws, disease, etc. It's just not a smart thing to do.
 
So? This happened in Turkey, right? When you are in another country, you have to obey their laws.

Marco did is not break Turkey's law. Don't you read those article that a girl is a virgin?

Turkey authories beleive mother's claim against Marco which is a sad because they must have known why mother let her 2 girls go out without supersivion after midnight.


Like you said in other threads, if people are in Germany, you expect them to obey German laws. Well, it's the same thing for other countries. When you go to their country, you have to obey their laws. It works both ways.

Yes, but Marco is an innoncent. He did not do anything with a girl but just flirt and kiss... Girl lied him about her age. They found out that Marco did not have sexual contact with her but why continue keep him in prison then?

If it is against the law in Turkey, and he did it in Turkey, then it is a crime in Turkey.

All what I see that Marco did is not break Turkey's law because he did not do anything with a girl. They only did what girl's mother say.
 
Well, then you take your chances, and accept the consequences.

Of course, if two people meet at school, or know each other for years in the neighborhood, they know each other's ages. If a guy meets a girl in a different country, and wants a one-night stand, then he's taking all kinds of chances about her age, the laws, disease, etc. It's just not a smart thing to do.


Yeah
 
Marco did is not break Turkey's law. Don't you read those article that a girl is a virgin?
Molestation does not have to include penetration.

"No one denies Marco and Charlotte made out under the blanket."

There is also the problem of the age difference.

I'm not saying that I agree with the way Turkey is handling this. But people need to realize that when they visit another country, they have to obey it's laws and customs, or suffer the consequences.


Turkey authories beleive mother's claim against Marco which is a sad because they must have known why mother let her 2 girls go out without supersivion after midnight.
I thought people from progressive countries (which includes the Euro countries) say that it's wrong to blame the victim. That there is never an excuse for an older guy to take advantage of a young girl.


Yes, but Marco is an innoncent. He did not do anything with a girl but just flirt and kiss... Girl lied him about her age. They found out that Marco did not have sexual contact with her.
Marco admitted to "heavy petting." That's what your link said. That is considered sexual contact.


All what I see that Marco did is not break Turkey's law because he did not do anything with a girl. They only did what girl's mother say.
Are you a Turkish lawyer or judge? Do you know Turkish law?
 
Molestation does not have to include penetration.

"No one denies Marco and Charlotte made out under the blanket."

There is also the problem of the age difference.

It doesn't says anything directly. All what I see is he claimed that he only flirted and amuse with her.

I'm not saying that I agree with the way Turkey is handling this. But people need to realize that when they visit another country, they have to obey it's laws and customs, or suffer the consequences.

Everyone knows how to obey law of different countries and has no problem to respect for that but I expect you have some feeling.

I thought people from progressive countries (which includes the Euro countries) say that it's wrong to blame the victim. That there is never an excuse for an older guy to take advantage of a young girl.

:confused:

I only wondering why mother let 2 girls go out alone without supervision until after midnight and then claimed against Marco.

It belongs 2 people who accept each other with no force, volience, rape, abuse, etc.


Marco admitted to "heavy petting." That's what your link said. That is considered sexual contact.

I do not see in article that he admit heavy petting with her, abuse, voilence, or whatever... All what I see is they accept each other with no force, etc. I only see that a girl lied him about her age.

Are you a Turkish lawyer or judge? Do you know Turkish law?

:confused: I only stated what I know from those article. *shrug*
 
It doesn't says anything directly. All what I see is he claimed that he only flirted and amuse with her....I do not see in article that he admit heavy petting with her, abuse, voilence, or whatever... All what I see is they accept each other with no force, etc. I only see that a girl lied him about her age... I only stated what I know from those article. *shrug*[/COLOR]
Maybe this will refresh your memory.

BTW, molestation doesn't always include physical violence. I guess you're not familiar with the law.

A 17-year-old German student faces up to eight years in Turkish prison. His offense? Kissing and fondling a 13-year-old British girl who allegedly lied about her age...

Turkey's criminal investigation department arrested the high school student on April 11 for some alleged heavy petting with the girl the night before...

In late March the Weiss family left for a two-week Easter vacation in Turkey, a country they knew fairly well. Marco, his 49-year-old mother Martina, a certified social worker, and his 48-year-old father Ralf Jahns, a trained lawyer who works as a taxi driver, flew to the city of Antalya and stayed, again, at the Clubhotel Voyage Sorgun Select in a smaller town called Side...

... Every evening he roamed the hotel -- which features a water slide, a modern amphitheater, 13 bars and a disco -- with a clique of young Germans and Britons.

By midnight on the last evening of the family's vacation, Marco had not yet returned to the room. That was nothing unusual. His parents tended to give him plenty of leeway, and he never abused their trust. The only thing that was unusual was that two Turkish police officers were waiting for the family at the reception the next morning, and that they asked the 17-year-old to accompany them for an interrogation. They said it was a matter of sexual abuse. "I even told Marco that if he had gone to bed with a girl he should feel free to admit it," Martina Weiss remembers. Her son "laughed and thought it was all a mix-up," she adds...

Marco Weiss got cozy with Charlotte M... No one denies Marco and Charlotte made out under the blanket. In an interrogation during which he was barely given a chance to say anything, the high school student answered the question of whether or not they had sex with, "Yes."...
 
Maybe this will refresh your memory.

BTW, molestation doesn't always include physical violence. I guess you're not familiar with the law.


I am familiar with the law of Turkey and America which different as EU law.

Yes I do read that "fondling" in the article and call it as "amuse" in my previous post. "fondling" is not physical voilience... but touch gently in a loving or caress way because it belongs two people who want each other with no physical force, etc.

Yes Marco & his family know Turkey's law since they went there 9 times but the problem is a girl lied him about her age.

The article do not say what and how Marco did but I would assume that it is not sex assault/forcement or sex contact. Accord German media, Marco took very badly as the police told him about girl's age and said that he would not involve with minor in first place. He know it's crime and also know German law will punish him if he have a sex with minor or sex assault/molestation on minor and legal age victim.

Marco hope that a girl will tell the truth and then let him free... or the parents of girl withdrew their legal complaint.

Many Germans guess something do with the reason why Turkish Government refused to deliever him to Germany is because Turkey's application for join EU are being rejection. Oh Well, I beleive their application would be accept only if they respect human rights and international law.
 
One legal definition in the USA:

Indecent Liberties Law & Legal Definition
Related Legal Forms

* Indecent Liberties


Generally, when a person is charged with taking indecent liberties, the liberties must be taken in the physical presence of the child, but physical contact is not required. Exposing one's private parts to a child with sexual intent may constitute the crime. An indecent liberty may consist of communication of indecent language.

The following is an example of a state statute dealing with taking indecent liberties:

"21-3503. Indecent liberties with a child.

(a) Indecent liberties with a child is engaging in any of the following acts with a child who is 14 or more years of age but less than 16 years of age:

1. Any lewd fondling or touching of the person of either the child or the offender, done or submitted to with the intent to arouse or to satisfy the sexual desires of either the child or the offender, or both; or
2. soliciting the child to engage in any lewd fondling or touching of the person of another with the intent to arouse or satisfy the sexual desires of the child, the offender or another.

(b) It shall be a defense to a prosecution of indecent liberties with a child as described in subsection (a)(1) that the child was married to the accused at the time of the offense.

(c) Indecent liberties with a child is a severity level 5, person felony."
 
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