Duggars Family... When Will It End? - Page 8

Hear Again · 11-15-2008, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepsi

You are right she is 42.I was lookinmg at an old site,sorry about that Hear Again.

That's okay, Pepsi.

Wow...42. If Michelle Duggar decides to give birth to another child when she's in her upper 40s, I think that's selfish -- and unfair to the child who may be born prematurely due to complications of advanced age childbirth (for lack of a better term). After all, there have been studies that prove woman who bear children in their late 40s are likely to suffer more complications than those who bear children in their 20s or 30s.

LuciaDisturbed · 11-15-2008, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

That's okay, Pepsi.

Wow...42. If Michelle Duggar decides to give birth to another child when she's in her upper 40s, I think that's selfish -- and unfair to the child who may be born prematurely due to complications of advanced age childbirth (for lack of a better term). After all, there have been studies that prove woman who bear children in their late 40s are likely to suffer more complications than those who bear children in their 20s or 30s.

I agree!

**shel90** · 11-16-2008, 07:36 AM

If Michelle continues to have more kids into her 40s or even 50s, then it probably shows delusion on her part. I dont know if her husband is forcing her to have all these children cuz he seems to be the king of his castle.

LuciaDisturbed · 11-16-2008, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by shel90

If Michelle continues to have more kids into her 40s or even 50s, then it probably shows delusion on her part. I dont know if her husband is forcing her to have all these children cuz he seems to be the king of his castle.

She's only just doing it to please the "God", and for NO other reason. That's part of the Quiverfull's religious beliefs. Honestly, I do not see how having so many children and contributing to the overpopulation of this planet would please "God".

I guess to the Quiverfulls, women are only good for popping out 238642836482648236482764286428364823 children til their uterus and reproductive system gives up on them. That is sad.

jillio · 11-16-2008, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by LuciaDisturbed

You know what I think? If the Duggars wanted so many children, why didn't they adopt? There are SO many children in foster care that need loving homes and caring parents, and there aren't enough adoptive families to go around. I don't think it's fair that they get to give birth to so many children and not adopt any children while many gays and lesbians want and are willing to adopt children but aren't allowed to due to their sexuality. So many children could have gone to those gay/lesbian loving parents if it were permitted. Those children in foster care need a home and loving permanent parents more than the Duggars needing to give birth to so many kids. They didn't adopt ANY kid, and it makes me feel like they don't want the "damaged" kids. They want their own perfect kids. When I was in foster care, I wanted so badly to be adopted and not have to live in hellholes that some of my foster homes were. Only two were good foster homes. I wanted to be loved, be taken care of, and not be abused and neglected (I was abused and neglected by my dad and his wife), and not to bounce around many strange foster homes and a horrible children's home. It's not fair. What about us?

I agree about the inequities in adoption. And I also see it as a great solution for someone who wants a large family. However, the way to achieve equity is by giving rights to those that are being denied the right to adopt, not by taking away the rights of another group. We will never achieve progress if we take away reproductive rights. We will only make the palying field less level.

And, you are right...it is not fair that there are couples that are willing and able to provide a secure and loving home for a child that are being denied the right to do so based on the fact that they are a same sex couple. But denying heterosexuals the right to have a large family if they so choose won't do anything to fix that.

jillio · 11-16-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

If Michelle continues to have more kids into her 40s or even 50s, then it probably shows delusion on her part. I dont know if her husband is forcing her to have all these children cuz he seems to be the king of his castle.

I don't think there is any force, per se, at work. Religious brainwashing, perhaps.

***VamPyroX*** · 11-16-2008, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LuciaDisturbed

You know what I think? If the Duggars wanted so many children, why didn't they adopt? There are SO many children in foster care that need loving homes and caring parents, and there aren't enough adoptive families to go around. I don't think it's fair that they get to give birth to so many children and not adopt any children while many gays and lesbians want and are willing to adopt children but aren't allowed to due to their sexuality. So many children could have gone to those gay/lesbian loving parents if it were permitted. Those children in foster care need a home and loving permanent parents more than the Duggars needing to give birth to so many kids. They didn't adopt ANY kid, and it makes me feel like they don't want the "damaged" kids. They want their own perfect kids. When I was in foster care, I wanted so badly to be adopted and not have to live in hellholes that some of my foster homes were. Only two were good foster homes. I wanted to be loved, be taken care of, and not be abused and neglected (I was abused and neglected by my dad and his wife), and not to bounce around many strange foster homes and a horrible children's home. It's not fair. What about us?

I was thinking the same thing. There are a lot of foster kids that need help and attention.

***VamPyroX*** · 11-16-2008, 01:08 PM

Have you seen a review by "a mommy" about the Duggar family?

My Name is Mommy: The Duggar Debate

She does raise a lot of good points there.

***VamPyroX*** · 11-16-2008, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LuciaDisturbed

I would think that the older you are when you get pregnant, the more risks there are during pregnancies (such as Down's Syndrome, etc).

Yep, that's true. The risk increases as you get older... especially over the age of 40. It's usually a "miracle" when someone over 40 gives birth to a perfectly healthy baby. The risk also increases when BOTH the mother and father are over 40.

Check this link...

Down Syndrome: Prenatal Risk Assessment and Diagnosis - August 15, 2000 - American Family Physician

Scroll down to the table that shows the ages. You'll notice that when it hits 40, it increases almost exponentially!

***VamPyroX*** · 11-16-2008, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by IslandBreeze07

I guess the Duggars are Catholics? Not sure, but the Catholic Church is not too big on birth control?

Never mind me.....I'm tired and just messing around on AD after a very long day at a medieval faire.

They're actually conservative Baptists.

Duggar family - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They were convinced by their "Christian doctor" that birth control was like abortion and they were against abortion.

**shel90** · 11-16-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

I don't think there is any force, per se, at work. Religious brainwashing, perhaps.

And isnt it part of the religion that believes the man is the castle of the house and the woman is supposed to be obedient to her husband?

***VamPyroX*** · 11-16-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

If Michelle continues to have more kids into her 40s or even 50s, then it probably shows delusion on her part. I dont know if her husband is forcing her to have all these children cuz he seems to be the king of his castle.

Yep!

Think of Andrea Yates... multiplied by four!

jillio · 11-16-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

And isnt it part of the religion that believes the man is the castle of the house and the woman is supposed to be obedient to her husband?

Yes. But if she believes that doctrine, too, then he isn't forcing her into anything. She is doing what she believes she should do. I know its difficult to grasp, in this day and time, that people actually believe that, but some do.

jillio · 11-16-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

Yep!

Think of Andrea Yates... multiplied by four!

Andrea Yates suffered from post-partum psychosis.

Pinky · 11-16-2008, 02:18 PM

I have no idea about Duggrars Family would be complete with children. Michelle is 41 years old now. She might get more. Who know.

I don't read whole this thread. It waste my time to read.

Oceanbreeze · 11-16-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Andrea Yates suffered from post-partum psychosis.

Was that her diagnosis? I also heard she could have been schizo-affective or even bipolar with psychotic features?

Hear Again · 11-16-2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

Was that her diagnosis? I also heard she could have been schizo-affective or even bipolar with psychotic features?

Andrea Yates was diagnosed with postpartum depression and psychosis and had been hospitalized four times.

According to the article:

http://www.healthyplace.com/Communit...pression_3.asp

"They looked like a big happy family with four boys and a baby girl. But according to her medical records, Andrea Yates had a history of postpartum depression and psychosis. She had been hospitalized four times, most recently, last year in March and May following the birth of her youngest child, Mary."

Oceanbreeze · 11-16-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

Andrea Yates was diagnosed with postpartum depression and psychosis and had been hospitalized four times.

According to the article:

PostPartum Depression: More Than the Baby Blues

Thank you. I heard different things in the media regarding her diagnosis.

Hear Again · 11-16-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

Thank you. I heard different things in the media regarding her diagnosis.

I wonder if she could have had all 3 diagnoses? After all, I know it's possible for someone to have a primary diagnosis of Bipolar I with Psychotic Features and a secondary diagnosis of Schizoaffective (as is true in my case).

**KarissaMann05** · 11-16-2008, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

Have you seen a review by "a mommy" about the Duggar family?

My Name is Mommy: The Duggar Debate

She does raise a lot of good points there.

Bold font - I can't find see her review or maybe you were referred to "My Name is Mommy" blog? Can you show me where? I'm interested.

**deafskeptic** · 11-16-2008, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Yes. But if she believes that doctrine, too, then he isn't forcing her into anything. She is doing what she believes she should do. I know its difficult to grasp, in this day and time, that people actually believe that, but some do.

Yep... I can believe some people will believe in such things as I've run into such people during my VSDB (in Staunton) days; one dorm supervisor believed in speaking in tounges and another one had fundie beliefs. Both of them were hearing too.

I grew up Southern Baptsit too. Even many moderate Baptsits believe women should sumit to men even if they don't take the bible (like the orgins of the Earth) literally.

LuciaDisturbed · 11-17-2008, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

Yep... I can believe some people will believe in such things as I've run into such people during my VSDB (in Staunton) days; one dorm supervisor believed in speaking in tounges and another one had fundie beliefs. Both of them were hearing too.

I grew up Southern Baptsit too. Even many moderate Baptsits believe women should sumit to men even if they don't take the bible (like the orgins of the Earth) literally.

Those kind of people scare me.

Yesterday at the Deaf Awareness Festival, some baptist deaf church was passing out Chick tracts. Every time I passed by their booth to get to out of the pavilion, I had a Chick tract shoved in my face. Ugh. I was like "no thanks" and quickly got away from them every time. After the first couple times, I started taking a different way out of the pavilion just to avoid that booth. I don't appreciate having such crap shoved in my face.

**deafskeptic** · 11-17-2008, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by LuciaDisturbed

Those kind of people scare me.

Yesterday at the Deaf Awareness Festival, some baptist deaf church was passing out Chick tracts. Every time I passed by their booth to get to out of the pavilion, I had a Chick tract shoved in my face. Ugh. I was like "no thanks" and quickly got away from them every time. After the first couple times, I started taking a different way out of the pavilion just to avoid that booth. I don't appreciate having such crap shoved in my face.

And rightly so. I tend to be leery of such types after my experiences with both the fundie and the pentecoastal and I'd have done the same as you if I were dealing with that Deaf Chuch passing out Chick tracts. I don't like in your face tactics.

**Liebling:-)))** · 11-17-2008, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by LuciaDisturbed
You know what I think? If the Duggars wanted so many children, why didn't they adopt? There are SO many children in foster care that need loving homes and caring parents, and there aren't enough adoptive families to go around. I don't think it's fair that they get to give birth to so many children and not adopt any children while many gays and lesbians want and are willing to adopt children but aren't allowed to due to their sexuality. So many children could have gone to those gay/lesbian loving parents if it were permitted. Those children in foster care need a home and loving permanent parents more than the Duggars needing to give birth to so many kids. They didn't adopt ANY kid, and it makes me feel like they don't want the "damaged" kids. They want their own perfect kids. When I was in foster care, I wanted so badly to be adopted and not have to live in hellholes that some of my foster homes were. Only two were good foster homes. I wanted to be loved, be taken care of, and not be abused and neglected (I was abused and neglected by my dad and his wife), and not to bounce around many strange foster homes and a horrible children's home. It's not fair. What about us?

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

I was thinking the same thing. There are a lot of foster kids that need help and attention.

Yes, I think the same thing... I repeated the same thing what you said in my several posts here and other Duggar threads.

I feel that Duggars are media attention...

**Liebling:-)))** · 11-17-2008, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by shel90

If Michelle continues to have more kids into her 40s or even 50s, then it probably shows delusion on her part. I dont know if her husband is forcing her to have all these children cuz he seems to be the king of his castle.

From read Duggar's websites.

Her husband said that he don't mind if his wife want to continue to have more babies... He respect and fulfill his wife's wish...

The reporter ask Michelle's husband in clinic... Do you want to have more babies? Her husband replied: Ask her... Michelle replied YES with laugh impression... Her husband laughed and agreed with her....

To me, I think it's something do with addiction... in love being pregnant... addict more pregnancies...? I think Michelle need the help...

**Liebling:-)))** · 11-17-2008, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by LuciaDisturbed

She's only just doing it to please the "God", and for NO other reason. That's part of the Quiverfull's religious beliefs. Honestly, I do not see how having so many children and contributing to the overpopulation of this planet would please "God".

I guess to the Quiverfulls, women are only good for popping out 238642836482648236482764286428364823 children til their uterus and reproductive system gives up on them. That is sad.

Yes, She said that she blame birth control after her first miscarriage and decided to not use birth control because her womb is open as a gift for God...

**Liebling:-)))** · 11-17-2008, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

They're actually conservative Baptists.

Duggar family - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They were convinced by their "Christian doctor" that birth control was like abortion and they were against abortion.

dead money · 11-17-2008, 12:08 PM

Can you imagine a divorce and child support payments?

that would be funny anyway.

**deafskeptic** · 11-18-2008, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dead money

Can you imagine a divorce and child support payments?

that would be funny anyway.

Lol. I think you just made my head explode at the very thought.

dead money · 11-18-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ~♥~Pinky~♥~

I have no idea about Duggrars Family would be complete with children. Michelle is 41 years old now. She might get more. Who know.

I don't read whole this thread. It waste my time to read.

well that makes sense.

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11-16-2008, 02:18 PM	#225 (permalink)
Pinky Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 5,898	I have no idea about Duggrars Family would be complete with children. Michelle is 41 years old now. She might get more. Who know. I don't read whole this thread. It waste my time to read.