Duggars Family... When Will It End? - Page 13

**deafskeptic** · 07-31-2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

That's sexist if he wont allow them to go to college.

I must say I agree with you.

Brian · 08-06-2009, 06:37 AM

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sara1981 · 08-06-2009, 10:52 AM

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i agreed it!!

***VamPyroX*** · 08-06-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by sallylou

I feel sorry for the girls. The older girls have to rear the younger children. Mr. Duggar has stated that his girls will not go to college or get higher education. That means that the girls will have very limited options. Even if the girls want to have a family, isn't an educated mother better than one who is not? Besides, the girls should get to live a little before they settle down. It's really culture shock for me to see how those girls live. I'm grateful for my own education and birth control.

I agree.

It's as if the mother had turned herself into a baby factory for the purpose of creating servants around the house so that she wouldn't have to do any work except be a baby-making machine.

Baby #1 born. "Yay! A baby!" *months later* "Whew... too much work! Let's make another one to take care of this one!" Baby #2 is born. "Hmm... I need someone to cut the grass. Let's make another!" Baby #3 is born. "Alright, we got a lawnmower. Now, we need someone to clean the kitchen!" Baby #4 is born... #5... #6...

I would never deprive my kids of that kind of opportunity (boy or girl). I would actually encourage them to go to college or to learn something that would make them better people.

Let's hope the girls (that turn 18) can decide for themselves and leave.

sara1981 · 08-06-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

I agree.

It's as if the mother had turned herself into a baby factory for the purpose of creating servants around the house so that she wouldn't have to do any work except be a baby-making machine.

Baby #1 born. "Yay! A baby!" *months later* "Whew... too much work! Let's make another one to take care of this one!" Baby #2 is born. "Hmm... I need someone to cut the grass. Let's make another!" Baby #3 is born. "Alright, we got a lawnmower. Now, we need someone to clean the kitchen!" Baby #4 is born... #5... #6...

I would never deprive my kids of that kind of opportunity (boy or girl). I would actually encourage them to go to college or to learn something that would make them better people.

Let's hope the girls (that turn 18) can decide for themselves and leave.

that right but its would be true..

**Bottesini** · 08-06-2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

I agree.

It's as if the mother had turned herself into a baby factory for the purpose of creating servants around the house so that she wouldn't have to do any work except be a baby-making machine.

Baby #1 born. "Yay! A baby!" *months later* "Whew... too much work! Let's make another one to take care of this one!" Baby #2 is born. "Hmm... I need someone to cut the grass. Let's make another!" Baby #3 is born. "Alright, we got a lawnmower. Now, we need someone to clean the kitchen!" Baby #4 is born... #5... #6...

I would never deprive my kids of that kind of opportunity (boy or girl). I would actually encourage them to go to college or to learn something that would make them better people.

Let's hope the girls (that turn 18) can decide for themselves and leave.

I think they are so brainwashed that they won't even think of other possibilities for themselves.

***VamPyroX*** · 08-06-2009, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

I think they are so brainwashed that they won't even think of other possibilities for themselves.

If that's the case, I feel sorry for them...

**Dixie** · 08-07-2009, 09:01 PM

Believe me, if he were brainwashing the girls into believing that all they should ever do is serve men A LOT of redneck women in this state would be in upheaval over it! Most Arkansas women are blue collar laborers and believe in working alongside the men to earn a living for their families. But we do have our prissy pants women too, but I'm willing to bet that a few if not all the daughters in that house have their sights set higher to at least get a college education and then turn around and use that education to benefit themselves financially.

**shel90** · 08-07-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

I think they are so brainwashed that they won't even think of other possibilities for themselves.

If so, then the father is one sick jerk!

**shel90** · 08-07-2009, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dixie

Believe me, if he were brainwashing the girls into believing that all they should ever do is serve men A LOT of redneck women in this state would be in upheaval over it! Most Arkansas women are blue collar laborers and believe in working alongside the men to earn a living for their families. But we do have our prissy pants women too, but I'm willing to bet that a few if not all the daughters in that house have their sights set higher to at least get a college education and then turn around and use that education to benefit themselves financially.

If a woman wants to serve her husband and is happy about it, then I support that but I dont believe in someone controlling women into thinking that it is the only way. I prefer that to be a choice for women. I have some friends who "serve" their hubbies but they love it so as long as they are happy then they have my support but if a women is not happy and feels threatened into it, I wont support that.

**Dixie** · 08-07-2009, 09:13 PM

I think that's what I was getting at, but had a hard time wording it on a fried brain. I have a close friend that is a stay at home mom, but she also sells Mary Kay Makeup for some income of her own. (Of course I'm too poor and too tomboyish to buy the stuff! - What chicken lady wears Mary Kay Makeup? That's like putting a possum in a State Dinner at the Whitehouse!)

**sallylou** · 08-07-2009, 10:57 PM

LOL @ Dixie. The father said that the girls would not go to college. I'm just going by what the father said. He does not appear to value education for women. Not every person is going to go to college, but the girls should be given an opportunity for post-secondary training or education. Even if they decide to stay home with their kids, they need some kind of education or training. The girls have their own talents and interests and they should pursue them. It's culture shock for me to see parents who don't want all of their children to have an education.

The girls need some time to live their own lives before they become mothers. The girls who become mothers right away never live on their own. I have a friend who always wants to go out to clubs and I tell her that I did that when I was in my 20's. I have my kids now and I don't want to party. She said that she went from her father's house to her husband. She didn't get a chance to be on her own and have her own social life. I've been there and done that! Enjoying the quiet life now.

**Reba** · 09-01-2009, 07:13 AM

It isn't over yet. They're expecting #19 in six months.

**KarissaMann05** · 09-01-2009, 07:24 AM

Ahh... Oh boy.

Well, congrats to them

web730 · 09-01-2009, 07:31 AM

I think they announced that it's their last yet not so sure, but someone told me.

LakeTahoe · 09-01-2009, 08:43 AM

I found out in another forum....

I had to Google to get the link.

19th Child is on the way

Make way for more Duggars!

Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar of Tonitown, Ark., who have 18 children and one grandchild on the way, are expecting a new addition to their household – baby No. 19 will arrive in the spring.

"We are so thrilled," says Michelle, 42. "We just couldn't believe it is happening." Jim Bob, 44, agrees: "This never gets old. We are so grateful for each child. We are looking forward to our first grand baby and our 19th child."

Oldest son Joshua, 21 and his wife Anna, 21, are expecting daughter Mackynzie Renée next month, so she will be older than her new aunt or uncle.

"I think it is going to be awesome, it is going to be great," says Josh about the news that his parents are expecting. "We have been looking forward to the arrival of my little girl and to now get to celebrate for my parents, it's a wonderful thing."

Another Fun Pregnancy
The families often get to see one another and are looking forward to the babies' births.

"I love all of this, it is so fun," says Michelle. "Anna and I will have babies five months apart. My mother and my sister were pregnant at the same time and it was really wonderful. The kids were really close and still are. I have a nephew who grew up with me, we're just three months apart."

The Duggars live debt-free in a house they built themselves with their kids, all whose names begin with J: after Josh there are twins Jana and John-David, 19; Jill, 18; Jessa, 16; Jinger, 15; Joseph, 14; Josiah, 13; Joy-Anna, 11; twins Jedidiah and Jeremiah, 10; Jason, 9; James, 8; Justin, 6; Jackson, 5; Johanna, 3; Jennifer, 2, and Jordyn-Grace, 8 months. Their lives are featured on TLC's 18 Kids and Counting, airing Tuesday nights.

Surprised This Time
Despite being pregnant 18 times before, Michelle says this pregnancy came as a shock, although her daughters wondered why she was eating more pickles than usual.

"I was wanting pickles and the older girls were saying, 'Mom, you only crave these at the very beginning of being pregnant, You kept it from us before, now tell us. Are you?'" Michelle says. "And I kept telling them I wasn't. I just wanted some pickles."

But when she couldn't lose weight on her diet, she became suspicious.

"I was in Weight Watchers with Jim Bob and I wasn't losing any weight," she says. "I couldn't figure it out. I was doing what I should. And the baby, who was nursing, was fussy. I kept thinking, 'This isn't right. She isn't teething, she doesn't have an ear infection. I'm not cheating on my diet, I should be losing weight.' Then, I put two and two together and wondered if I could possibly be pregnant."

She took out one of two tests she had in the house and it was immediately positive.

Renewed Marriage Vows
"I told Jim Bob and he couldn't keep it in, he was so excited," she says. "The kids were outside playing on a water slide and he gathered them together and had to share the news. There was all this screaming and yelling."

The Duggars recently renewed their wedding vows – they've been married 25 years and one month – and say that the ceremony was a wonderful way for their own children to understand the commitment of marriage.

"We got married when Michelle was 17 and I was 19," Jim Bob says. "We were married in the hallway of a church because at the time they had no sanctuary. There were plastic chairs and crepe paper. So, when we renewed our vows, we did it in that same hallway and we splurged to make bows out of a plastic white table cloth this time, but we still had plastic chairs. I think it is important to have the kids see that commitment themselves."

No Health Concerns
Michelle says that since she was 36 years old, her doctor has given her and Jim Bob pamphlets about prenatal testing since there is an increase of risk of health problems in babies with older mothers. But, she says they don't worry about those risks and don't take the tests.

"We know what could happen," she says. "We read through the information. If the Lord chooses to give us challenges along the way, we know His grace will be there, so we don't opt to do the testing."

As far as her own health, her doctor told PEOPLE when her last child was born that Michelle's health was excellent: "Some women are made to have babies, and Michelle is to the nth degree," ob-gyn Amy Sarver told PEOPLE in December. "She is in terrific health without any strain on her uterus."

Michelle says she's just glad for every day that she gets to enjoy being with her kids, even as she endures a 19th round of morning sickness.

"I'm feeling nauseous right now," she says. "And, I'm tired. I am happy for the feelings of morning sickness and I'm happy for every day I get to play with my kids. We don't know what tomorrow holds and so I try to enjoy every moment."

Another J-Name
Already, names are being discussed in the Duggar household: Jessa, 16, has printed up a list of J-names for boys and girls that have yet to be used by a Duggar, Michelle says.

"We'll hopefully find out whether it's a girl or a boy at 20 weeks," says Jim Bob. (Michelle is almost at the 12-week mark now.) "That will narrow the list down some."

And Jim Bob says he'd welcome a little assistance: "We'd love to hear from the readers at PEOPLE.com to come up with a special name for this child."

Loghead · 09-01-2009, 12:57 PM

Another?

It's time to be rational and start using contraception.

**sallylou** · 09-01-2009, 02:10 PM

I hope that the baby arrives healthy. The mother is at the age when Downs and other chromosomal abnormalities is a significantly higher risk. Risk goes up dramatically at 40 YO. At least we know that she's already had a lot of healthy babies! Hope that all goes well.

C.C.Sinned · 09-01-2009, 02:27 PM

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**deafskeptic** · 09-01-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Loghead

Another?

It's time to be rational and start using contraception.

LOL, that was my first reaction when I heard the Duggars have yet another child on the way.

Frisky Feline · 09-01-2009, 02:35 PM

more? *thud*

**Jolie77** · 09-01-2009, 02:52 PM

Jeezums, They're having another one? Gee.

Will they end at #20?

netrox · 09-01-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolie77

Jeezums, They're having another one? Gee.

Will they end at #20?

Just one more and it's complete!

~*Kaelei*~ · 09-01-2009, 04:28 PM

Another one??!!! Jesus!!! I wonder how many more kids she'll have before she finally stops reproducing!!!

***Calvin*** · 09-01-2009, 05:20 PM

Their family tree is exploding too fast.

**Bottesini** · 09-01-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ~*Kaelei*~

Another one??!!! Jesus!!! I wonder how many more kids she'll have before she finally stops reproducing!!!

Conceivably if she does not go through menopause before about 54 years old, and she is 42 now , and they were all single births, no twins, etc., they could end up with 30 children!!

**Reba** · 09-01-2009, 05:40 PM

Since one son has left the nest, maybe this new baby will just maintain the equilibrium of number of children living at home.

**Reba** · 09-01-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Calvin

Their family tree is exploding too fast.

Family forest?

Babyblue · 09-01-2009, 05:52 PM

Her uterus. is prolly screaming.!! WHY? WHHY?

I am wondering if it is actually strong enough to handle another one. It is so stretched out and used so much.

LakeTahoe · 09-01-2009, 05:55 PM

PSST She have 2 set of twins....she could have a chance to have another set of twin.

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

Conceivably if she does not go through menopause before about 54 years old, and she is 42 now , and they were all single births, no twins, etc., they could end up with 30 children!!

08-07-2009, 09:01 PM	#368 (permalink)
Dixie May I be found in Him Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 13,266	Believe me, if he were brainwashing the girls into believing that all they should ever do is serve men A LOT of redneck women in this state would be in upheaval over it! Most Arkansas women are blue collar laborers and believe in working alongside the men to earn a living for their families. But we do have our prissy pants women too, but I'm willing to bet that a few if not all the daughters in that house have their sights set higher to at least get a college education and then turn around and use that education to benefit themselves financially. __________________ Oh, you will. It is all a dream and since matter cannot be created nor destroyed, the dreams must be real in all their myriad forms. -Beowulf This Delicate Thing God Has Made *The world is measured in peasants; smaller than a unicorn but, bigger than a tidbit!*

08-07-2009, 09:13 PM	#371 (permalink)
Dixie May I be found in Him Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 13,266	I think that's what I was getting at, but had a hard time wording it on a fried brain. I have a close friend that is a stay at home mom, but she also sells Mary Kay Makeup for some income of her own. (Of course I'm too poor and too tomboyish to buy the stuff! - What chicken lady wears Mary Kay Makeup? That's like putting a possum in a State Dinner at the Whitehouse!) __________________ Oh, you will. It is all a dream and since matter cannot be created nor destroyed, the dreams must be real in all their myriad forms. -Beowulf This Delicate Thing God Has Made *The world is measured in peasants; smaller than a unicorn but, bigger than a tidbit!*

09-01-2009, 07:31 AM	#375 (permalink)
web730 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 2,271	I think they announced that it's their last yet not so sure, but someone told me. __________________

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LakeTahoe Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Lost somewhere in the outer space!! Help me to find my way back home to earth!! Posts: 14,205	I found out in another forum.... I had to Google to get the link. 19th Child is on the way Make way for more Duggars! Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar of Tonitown, Ark., who have 18 children and one grandchild on the way, are expecting a new addition to their household – baby No. 19 will arrive in the spring. "We are so thrilled," says Michelle, 42. "We just couldn't believe it is happening." Jim Bob, 44, agrees: "This never gets old. We are so grateful for each child. We are looking forward to our first grand baby and our 19th child." Oldest son Joshua, 21 and his wife Anna, 21, are expecting daughter Mackynzie Renée next month, so she will be older than her new aunt or uncle. "I think it is going to be awesome, it is going to be great," says Josh about the news that his parents are expecting. "We have been looking forward to the arrival of my little girl and to now get to celebrate for my parents, it's a wonderful thing." Another Fun Pregnancy The families often get to see one another and are looking forward to the babies' births. "I love all of this, it is so fun," says Michelle. "Anna and I will have babies five months apart. My mother and my sister were pregnant at the same time and it was really wonderful. The kids were really close and still are. I have a nephew who grew up with me, we're just three months apart." The Duggars live debt-free in a house they built themselves with their kids, all whose names begin with J: after Josh there are twins Jana and John-David, 19; Jill, 18; Jessa, 16; Jinger, 15; Joseph, 14; Josiah, 13; Joy-Anna, 11; twins Jedidiah and Jeremiah, 10; Jason, 9; James, 8; Justin, 6; Jackson, 5; Johanna, 3; Jennifer, 2, and Jordyn-Grace, 8 months. Their lives are featured on TLC's 18 Kids and Counting, airing Tuesday nights. Surprised This Time Despite being pregnant 18 times before, Michelle says this pregnancy came as a shock, although her daughters wondered why she was eating more pickles than usual. "I was wanting pickles and the older girls were saying, 'Mom, you only crave these at the very beginning of being pregnant, You kept it from us before, now tell us. Are you?'" Michelle says. "And I kept telling them I wasn't. I just wanted some pickles." But when she couldn't lose weight on her diet, she became suspicious. "I was in Weight Watchers with Jim Bob and I wasn't losing any weight," she says. "I couldn't figure it out. I was doing what I should. And the baby, who was nursing, was fussy. I kept thinking, 'This isn't right. She isn't teething, she doesn't have an ear infection. I'm not cheating on my diet, I should be losing weight.' Then, I put two and two together and wondered if I could possibly be pregnant." She took out one of two tests she had in the house and it was immediately positive. Renewed Marriage Vows "I told Jim Bob and he couldn't keep it in, he was so excited," she says. "The kids were outside playing on a water slide and he gathered them together and had to share the news. There was all this screaming and yelling." The Duggars recently renewed their wedding vows – they've been married 25 years and one month – and say that the ceremony was a wonderful way for their own children to understand the commitment of marriage. "We got married when Michelle was 17 and I was 19," Jim Bob says. "We were married in the hallway of a church because at the time they had no sanctuary. There were plastic chairs and crepe paper. So, when we renewed our vows, we did it in that same hallway and we splurged to make bows out of a plastic white table cloth this time, but we still had plastic chairs. I think it is important to have the kids see that commitment themselves." No Health Concerns Michelle says that since she was 36 years old, her doctor has given her and Jim Bob pamphlets about prenatal testing since there is an increase of risk of health problems in babies with older mothers. But, she says they don't worry about those risks and don't take the tests. "We know what could happen," she says. "We read through the information. If the Lord chooses to give us challenges along the way, we know His grace will be there, so we don't opt to do the testing." As far as her own health, her doctor told PEOPLE when her last child was born that Michelle's health was excellent: "Some women are made to have babies, and Michelle is to the nth degree," ob-gyn Amy Sarver told PEOPLE in December. "She is in terrific health without any strain on her uterus." Michelle says she's just glad for every day that she gets to enjoy being with her kids, even as she endures a 19th round of morning sickness. "I'm feeling nauseous right now," she says. "And, I'm tired. I am happy for the feelings of morning sickness and I'm happy for every day I get to play with my kids. We don't know what tomorrow holds and so I try to enjoy every moment." Another J-Name Already, names are being discussed in the Duggar household: Jessa, 16, has printed up a list of J-names for boys and girls that have yet to be used by a Duggar, Michelle says. "We'll hopefully find out whether it's a girl or a boy at 20 weeks," says Jim Bob. (Michelle is almost at the 12-week mark now.) "That will narrow the list down some." And Jim Bob says he'd welcome a little assistance: "We'd love to hear from the readers at PEOPLE.com to come up with a special name for this child." __________________

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08-07-2009, 10:57 PM	#372 (permalink)
sallylou Potterhead and Janeite Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: My own private Idaho Posts: 6,653	LOL @ Dixie. The father said that the girls would not go to college. I'm just going by what the father said. He does not appear to value education for women. Not every person is going to go to college, but the girls should be given an opportunity for post-secondary training or education. Even if they decide to stay home with their kids, they need some kind of education or training. The girls have their own talents and interests and they should pursue them. It's culture shock for me to see parents who don't want all of their children to have an education. The girls need some time to live their own lives before they become mothers. The girls who become mothers right away never live on their own. I have a friend who always wants to go out to clubs and I tell her that I did that when I was in my 20's. I have my kids now and I don't want to party. She said that she went from her father's house to her husband. She didn't get a chance to be on her own and have her own social life. I've been there and done that! Enjoying the quiet life now.

09-01-2009, 07:13 AM	#373 (permalink)
Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,112	It isn't over yet. They're expecting #19 in six months.

09-01-2009, 07:24 AM	#374 (permalink)
KarissaMann05 Premium Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 6,381	Ahh... Oh boy. Well, congrats to them

09-01-2009, 12:57 PM	#377 (permalink)
Loghead Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 3,677	Another? It's time to be rational and start using contraception.

09-01-2009, 02:10 PM	#378 (permalink)
sallylou Potterhead and Janeite Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: My own private Idaho Posts: 6,653	I hope that the baby arrives healthy. The mother is at the age when Downs and other chromosomal abnormalities is a significantly higher risk. Risk goes up dramatically at 40 YO. At least we know that she's already had a lot of healthy babies! Hope that all goes well.

09-01-2009, 02:35 PM	#381 (permalink)
Frisky Feline Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 20,215	more? thud

09-01-2009, 04:28 PM	#384 (permalink)
~Kaelei~ Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Vancouver, Washington Posts: 1,571	Another one??!!! Jesus!!! I wonder how many more kids she'll have before she finally stops reproducing!!! __________________

09-01-2009, 05:20 PM	#385 (permalink)
*Calvin* Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,905	Their family tree is exploding too fast.

09-01-2009, 05:40 PM	#387 (permalink)
Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,112	Since one son has left the nest, maybe this new baby will just maintain the equilibrium of number of children living at home.

09-01-2009, 05:52 PM	#389 (permalink)
Babyblue Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 11,998	Her uterus. is prolly screaming.!! WHY? WHHY? I am wondering if it is actually strong enough to handle another one. It is so stretched out and used so much.

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