Tim become Kim at the age of 14!! - Page 3

Angel · 02-02-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Oh yes, of course 5 years old know what they talking about and know what saving money is and there´re TV about sex education, et

A 5 years old watching sex education on TV??

...Don't you think a parents is being a bit too open mind about this even when a child is only 5 years old?...

Sheesh I think it would be best to cancel my cable service

Angel · 02-02-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

.. Yes it´s true because there´re common for the children to receive pocket money from their parents and learn to save up at early age.

Wow, it would be very very nice to know if one of my children had saved all their money since the age of 5...

Tousi · 02-02-2007, 03:42 PM

Wow, sounds like those wee children aren't afforded the luxury of being sweet and innocent before beginning the process of "growing up".

Reba · 02-02-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Are you doctor?

No. Are you?

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Huh? The parents are correct. They are open mind and search to find out... they found out that homosexuality and transsexual are not the same thing. The people often confused transsexual with homosexuality which it´s not. They need to search to find out the difference between transsexual and homosexuality. I know already a long time ago that transsexual and homosexuality are not same.

Transsexual = a person who consider himself as woman and wish to be woman. A man feel being trapped in woman´s body.

homosexuality = a person who have sexuaility feeling toward same sex person.

Yes, I know all that. I've known it for years. So? It's the parents who said that they were relieved that the child was not a homosexual. That shows their bias, not mine.

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Remember that 4 years old is a toddler like every toddlers... Of course they need the help if they grow out from toddler to young child. I applause the parents for seek the help to find out what wrong with Tim when he was 8 years old...

I was just wondering why they waited for so long. If they knew something was "different" when the child was age 4, why did they wait until he was age 8 to take him to the doctors?

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Do you force your children to wear something what they don´t want? Do you choose something for your children when they don´t like? Is it because you want for them...?

Of course. Who's in charge, the parents or the kids? Who buys the clothing? They need to wear clothing appropriate to the setting (follow the school rules), appropriate to the activity (don't wear expensive, nice clothes for yard work), and appropriate to the weather (no flip flops in the snow). Sometimes kids don't have the judgment to do that. Other than that, she had free choice for colors and combinations.

That's why they need to be trained. I always explained the reasons for wardrobe changes. I really didn't need to make many changes. But when there was a dispute, Mom made the decision.

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I don´t force my children to wear when they are young children but themselves... Example, I showed them which color match of clothes... but they insisted to wear different than I suggest them... I remember that Danny choose to wear green/orange jeans with red/yellow top...

I told him... it´s not right color... He said he like it... I accept it. It´s same with my other son as well... They grow out from young children to young adult and know which right color they like to wear. I never force them. It´s normal that the children like to pick werid color clothes... they will laugh when they grow out of young children to young adult.

Color choices were the least important factors to me. I was more concerned with appropriateness.

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Did you know that there´re male ballet Dancer? I don´t mind if my sons want to be male ballet Dancer because I want them happy...

Of course I know there are male ballet dancers. Our tax man is also a professional dancer. (He owns a prestigious tax firm downtown, and dances internationally; he's also married to a former dancer, and they are parents of cute twins.) So?

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Ok, I don´t see anything wrong if the parents accept what their children are... I find super that they are open mind and accept what their children are... I find sad that a lot of parents made decision for their children because they thought the best for them without consider/focus their feeling...

How do we really know that the parents just accepted what the child was, or actually encouraged and influenced his direction?

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I will see something wrong with the parents if they refuse to accept that their sons are gays or consider themselves as girls.

Well, according to the article, the parents were relieved that their son wasn't gay. So in your eyes, they would be "wrong".

But that's a moot point since the child wasn't homosexual.

Reba · 02-02-2007, 05:10 PM

I'm not a doctor but I know that hormones effect more than just secondary sexual features of the body. I think most ladies will agree with me that fluctuating hormones also can effect moods, headaches, tiredness, weight, etc.

The doctors agree, too.

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HARRY BENJAMIN INTERNATIONAL GENDER DYSPHORIA ASSOCIATION'S

THE STANDARDS OF CARE FOR GENDER IDENTITY DISORDERS -- SIXTH VERSION

...Side effects in biologic males treated with estrogens and progestins may include increased propensity to blood clotting (venous thrombosis with a risk of fatal pulmonary embolism), development of benign pituitary prolactinomas, infertility, weight gain, emotional lability, liver disease, gallston formation, somnolence, hypertension, and diabetes mellitus. .... Biologic males undergoing estrogen treatment should be monitored for breast cancer and encouraged to engage in routine self-examination. As they age, they should be monitored for prostatic cancer...Reductions in testosterone doses post-oophorectomy should be considered, taking into account the risks of osteoporosis.
IJ TRANSGENDER - THE STANDARDS OF CARE FOR GENDER IDENTITY DISORDERS- Effects of Hormone Therapy in Adults

Nesmuth · 02-02-2007, 05:22 PM

I'n my neighborhood, theres a young girl in her preteen years she goes about in the neighborhood on a skateboard and sometimes with a toy gun in her hand. Thats pretty common for young boys to be skateboarding with toy guns. As for this girl, she's going to be different and whether she takes the sex change option is up to her and her family.

My hometown is very tolerant of latino trannys. Thats because we have a lot of people with gender identiy issues here in Santa Ana. I even go to a bar that's owned and operated by trannys at least 2X a month. Its a decent bar that serves decent drinks and everyone there looks decent.

Richard

Reba · 02-02-2007, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

...I´m surprised some of you think 5 years old don´t understand what saving money is about...after read your post here. Oh yes, they do.

I don't doubt a child age 5 can save money. I doubt that a child age 5 would know what a sex change is, and that it costs lots of money. Something tells me that the parents had a hand in this.

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...Oh yes, of course 5 years old know what they talking about and know what saving money is and there´re TV about sex education, etc...

What kind of sex "education" is necessary for a 5-year-old to know about sex change surgery? Why is a 5-year-old getting sex education from TV instead of the parents? Very suspicious.

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My boys already know when they were 5 years old what gays, transexually, CI, etc. because we have seen it on TV or videos.

Wow, what kind of TV do your little kids watch.

(Does CI mean something other than cochlear implant? What kind of sexual term is that? I'm not familiar with it.)

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Of course they questioned me... I positive their questions why they desire to become girl or boy.... etc... gays, etc. I open everything to my children about sex education, etc. when they questioned us... EXCEPT Porn... because I don´t beleive to hide gays, transexual, etc. from my children.

Whatever happened to sweet innocent children? Why do kids have to have sex thrown at them so young? What's the hurry? Sigh...

Some how I enjoyed childhood without ever knowing about homosexuals, transexuals, transgenders, etc.

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Oh yes, the children from kindergarten knows what saving money about. It´s parental education.

Yeah, my grandsons save money for things, too. But they don't save money for sex operations!

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It´s up to you if you don´t beleive me... Yes it´s true because there´re common for the children to receive pocket money from their parents and learn to save up at early age.

I believe kids save money. I don't believe they save money for sex operations.

Liebling:-))) · 02-04-2007, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Angel

A 5 years old watching sex education on TV??

...Don't you think a parents is being a bit too open mind about this even when a child is only 5 years old?...

Sheesh I think it would be best to cancel my cable service

Children sex education. It´s not what you think... not sex pictures but draw the pictures... and talk...

Danny questioned me that´s time I was pregnant with Alan how to make a baby. Is it because I have to eat alot to make fat. Should I lie him...? No Way... I answered his question honestly. Your mommy & daddy love each other in the bed to make a baby. Few years later after that my boys asked ... how we love each other in the bed to make a baby. I answered their questions: Your daddy gave me his seed to make baby grow inside me. They don´t understand so I bought a flower seed and put one seed in the pot with my boys... water the pot until a flower grow... They understood when they saw flower grow and understood and said to me that I eat and drink to give baby to eat and grow big... The children sex education on TV.... they understood and find interesting. (not public sex, etc what you think).

What you answer when your children questioned you when you was pregnant or saw other pregnant?

***VamPyroX*** · 02-04-2007, 01:47 AM

I remember watching a show on television where this guy had his penis accidentally cut off at birth, so they convinced the parents to let them perform surgery on the baby to make it female and give it hormone pills to make it grow up as female.

Liebling:-))) · 02-04-2007, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

No. Are you?

I don´t understand your question because I didn´t criticized doctors´s expert and knowledge in first place but you. Why should I criticize experts when I know that I´m not doctor?

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Yes, I know all that. I've known it for years. So? It's the parents who said that they were relieved that the child was not a homosexual. That shows their bias, not mine.

I didn´t see anything that the parents relieved. All what I see is they focus to find out about their child either he is really homosexual.. and check with experts until they found out that it´s transexual. Like what I say in previous posts that many people confused transexual with homosexual.

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I was just wondering why they waited for so long. If they knew something was "different" when the child was age 4, why did they wait until he was age 8 to take him to the doctors?

Curious things during toddler time is normal. Many toddlers grow out of their curiously and accept what they are when they turn into young children. I don´t see that they wait for 4 years until he is 8 years old but accept what he is and then realize that Tim is panic for not want to have breaking voice and beard, etc when he grow older... I guess he look at his Daddy or school boys and don´t want to be like them... It´s time for the parents to help Tim... check with doctors, search at internet, etc... to focus how to help their child.

I find it good they prevent Kim from grow to unhappy & depression man and will hate his body during puberty time...

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Of course. Who's in charge, the parents or the kids? Who buys the clothing? They need to wear clothing appropriate to the setting (follow the school rules), appropriate to the activity (don't wear expensive, nice clothes for yard work), and appropriate to the weather (no flip flops in the snow). Sometimes kids don't have the judgment to do that. Other than that, she had free choice for colors and combinations.

Oh I see...

I fulfill my boys´s wish for their clothes taste. I explained them if they want fashioned designer then they have to wait for special offer... I have no problem with my boys for their respect and understand about prices etc. My boys knows school rules and wear what they like...
I made sure that boys must wear waterproof jacket and trouser if they want to stay outside where the snows are around all the day. I don´t pick clothes for my boys but let them pick what they really like... they knows that it should not be expensive.

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Of course I know there are male ballet dancers. Our tax man is also a professional dancer. (He owns a prestigious tax firm downtown, and dances internationally; he's also married to a former dancer, and they are parents of cute twins.) So?

That´s good, you know that but why you asked me why the parents allow Tim be ballet in first place then? I only answer your question because I thought you don´t know there´re male ballet dancer...

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How do we really know that the parents just accepted what the child was, or actually encouraged and influenced his direction?

I see 100% clear that it´s Tim who really want to be girl, not parents. The medias and TV are everywhere here in Germany, now here in America. Of course Kim answered people´s questions to the public in TV. Why should the parents tried to make Tim girl when they have a daughter already?

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Well, according to the article, the parents were relieved that their son wasn't gay. So in your eyes, they would be "wrong".

But that's a moot point since the child wasn't homosexual.

Huh? I do not see that the parents relieved that their son is not gay. All what I see that the parents want to know either he is homosexual or what - wrong body? The parents questioned the doctors and focus interent.... They learn a lot about the difference between homosexual and transexual because a lot of people confused between homosexual and transexual... It´s the same thing the parents focus what deaf is.... which good for them... CI or HA until they know 100% exact.

Liebling:-))) · 02-04-2007, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I don't doubt a child age 5 can save money. I doubt that a child age 5 would know what a sex change is, and that it costs lots of money. Something tells me that the parents had a hand in this.

I would suggest you to re-read my link... It´s Kim who says, not parents.

Perhaps Tim told their parents that he want a girl... the parents tried to tell him that it´s toooo expensive to change a girl... Tim answered their parents back that he is going to save up... It´s normal, a lot of children say like that... "I am going to save up to buy something for you when I grow big"...

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What kind of sex "education" is necessary for a 5-year-old to know about sex change surgery? Why is a 5-year-old getting sex education from TV instead of the parents? Very suspicious.

Wow, what kind of TV do your little kids watch.

Check my response to Angel´s post.

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(Does CI mean something other than cochlear implant? What kind of sexual term is that? I'm not familiar with it.)

the parents fulfill their children´s wishes for correct part of their body... example - correct ears, nose, etc with surgery because they are not happy with their ears, noses, etc.

sexual is also belong part of body, too. some are not happy with intersex, etc... to correct...

The children want CI to hear then the parents fulfill their children´s wish...

If you don´t understand what I am trying to explain then forget it...

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Whatever happened to sweet innocent children? Why do kids have to have sex thrown at them so young? What's the hurry? Sigh...

Huh? Of course every children are innoncent... I don´t beleive to lie them how to make a baby. They deserve to know the truth... (see my response post to Angel).

The children have the right to know what kind of world we have... It´s impossible to hide them from anywhere. I rather to have children aware before they get shock after learn from somewhere.

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Some how I enjoyed childhood without ever knowing about homosexuals, transexuals, transgenders, etc.

Are you saying that homosexuals, transexuals, etc are abnormal? The children should not know about this?...

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Yeah, my grandsons save money for things, too. But they don't save money for sex operations!

I believe kids save money. I don't believe they save money for sex operations.

Huh? Your grandsons don´t want to be girl, right? Why should he save up for want be girl? He would say if he is not happy to be boy. My boys save up from their pocket money... and buy what they like... sometimes they talk about want to buy a big car...

That´s children talk.... normal.

If you don´t beleive Kim´s word then is your choice.

Liebling:-))) · 02-04-2007, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

I remember watching a show on television where this guy had his penis accidentally cut off at birth, so they convinced the parents to let them perform surgery on the baby to make it female and give it hormone pills to make it grow up as female.

True, without hormone pills then they would grow up as male.

***VamPyroX*** · 02-04-2007, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

True, without hormone pills then they would grow up as male.

However, it could be traumatic when the kid finds out the truth about what happened to them at birth.

Liebling:-))) · 02-04-2007, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

However, it could be traumatic when the kid finds out the truth about what happened to them at birth.

Yes true, it could be shock for a girl after learn that she was born a boy because she didn´t ask for it in first place.

Have you read the example of David Reimer at link in my previous posts (1 page of this thread).

The doctor burn David´s skin under circumcision surgery accidently. The doctor did not gave David hormone shot/pill to make him into female or without test his genetic either he have male hormone but just change him into girl. She unawared until she was he until puberty time, she feel in her body that she is a man... She suffer during puberty time... pretty unhappy.... end to damage her good self-esteem... David didn´t ask for want to be a girl but doctor and parents which is not right.

02-04-2007, 11:08 AM

uhhhh

Although its nice of the parents to be there for their child. But still, makes me wonder what you'll hear next in this world. Then again we might be better off not knowing

Angel · 02-04-2007, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

What you answer when your children questioned you when you was pregnant or saw other pregnant?

When my son was 5 at that time while I was pregnant with my second one, he asked me how I became pregnant and where babies come from, and I said to ask me that question when you turn 16

Reba · 02-04-2007, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

My boys already know when they were 5 years old what gays, transexually, CI, etc. because we have seen it on TV or videos.

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the parents fulfill their children´s wishes for correct part of their body... example - correct ears, nose, etc with surgery because they are not happy with their ears, noses, etc.

sexual is also belong part of body, too. some are not happy with intersex, etc... to correct...

The children want CI to hear then the parents fulfill their children´s wish...

If you don´t understand what I am trying to explain then forget it...

I just didn't understand why CI was in the same sentence as sexual topics. I thought maybe it had a different meaning.

Reba · 02-04-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

...Why should he save up for want be girl? He would say if he is not happy to be boy. My boys save up from their pocket money... and buy what they like... sometimes they talk about want to buy a big car...

That´s children talk.... normal....

Having surgery for changing sex is NOT a normal 5-year-old desire. Who told the child that there was such a thing as sex change surgery? Who told the child that sex change surgery was something he could get that would make him happy? Who told the 5-year-old child that he could someday get sex change surgery? Who told the child that the surgery cost a lot of money?

You see, there had to be some adult influence there. Five-year-olds don't just "know" these things without some adult input.

Reba · 02-04-2007, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Some how I enjoyed childhood without ever knowing about homosexuals, transexuals, transgenders, etc.
Are you saying that homosexuals, transexuals, etc are abnormal? The children should not know about this?... ...

Of course that's not normal.

Why do young children need to know about all kinds of sex behaviors? What's the purpose or benefit? Why do they need those seeds planted in their young minds? What's the hurry?

Are you saying that I would have enjoyed my childhood more if I knew about homosexuals, transexuals, and transgenders when I was a little kid?

Teaching the basic facts of life and personal safety is one thing. Describing the details or listing every possible variety is NOT necessary.

***VamPyroX*** · 02-05-2007, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Yes true, it could be shock for a girl after learn that she was born a boy because she didn´t ask for it in first place.

Have you read the example of David Reimer at link in my previous posts (1

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Tousi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 6,922	Wow, sounds like those wee children aren't afforded the luxury of being sweet and innocent before beginning the process of "growing up".

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Nesmuth Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Southland of California Posts: 3,199	I'n my neighborhood, theres a young girl in her preteen years she goes about in the neighborhood on a skateboard and sometimes with a toy gun in her hand. Thats pretty common for young boys to be skateboarding with toy guns. As for this girl, she's going to be different and whether she takes the sex change option is up to her and her family. My hometown is very tolerant of latino trannys. Thats because we have a lot of people with gender identiy issues here in Santa Ana. I even go to a bar that's owned and operated by trannys at least 2X a month. Its a decent bar that serves decent drinks and everyone there looks decent. Richard

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JLFWildKat Guest Posts: n/a	uhhhh Although its nice of the parents to be there for their child. But still, makes me wonder what you'll hear next in this world. Then again we might be better off not knowing