Reba

You didn't believe that Canadians came to the USA for medical care, and I simply showed you that they do. Like it or lump it, it doesn't bother me.


Rumors? Research by the Fraser Institute is hardly "rumors". This is the group that provided the 90-page report:


What's illogical? That mom's can't wait for the baby to be born? The illogical point is putting expectant moms on waiting lists. Of course they can't wait, so they go to the USA to give birth to their babies.

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Foxrac

If your husband is retired veteran then you supposed to be quality for military service like see doctor and get meds at no cost, it's called as military benefit for senior.

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Very Interesting. Here they are called Naturopathic Doctors. They
study same subject areas and time as MD's but they have additional
training in nutrition,herbs and other natural and alternative therapies.
This type of doctor saved one of my childrens life while the MD nearly
killed her with his medicines. A long and sad story. But I would rather
take my children to a veterinarian now than an MD here unless they
know about and use alternative therapies. Now I must say something
positive about our system. It has excellent emergency care in
most places.

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Liebling:-)))

I check DVD. It written:

The characters & incidents portrayed & the names herein are fictiitious & any similarity to the name, character or history of any person is entirely coincidental & unintentional.

It didn´t say anything in DVD that it´s true story but it is a wake up calling for the people how much health insurance important for everyone.

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[QUOTE]Would you like to support federal government to spend your taxes on war issues to neglect their people and country? Do you worry that government spend your taxes to help people's healthcare, not war issues? I rather to see government take care of their people and their health. I rather to see my taxes goes to help people who need our help.[QUOTE]


Well being a former warrior woman, (disabled vietnam veteran and helicopter mechanic),
I would have to say that I place priority on defense over healthcare. War is
murder, like abortion and justifiable homicide when necessary. And while I support this war we are in now, unfortunately there have been some top
leadership errors made. I will not mention who until we are out of this
particular conflict as I do not wish to undermine the effort.

Your system of providing health care in your area sounds interesting and
well run. But I do not trust our government as far as I could throw it.
It has a history of mismanagement. I do not trust Hillary in particular.
I think that people need to rely on the government as little as possible.
Our government currently takes enough money in taxes to provide quality
universal health care if it wanted to. Unfortunately what will happen if
universal care is passed than it will go the same way as our educational system here. Our educational system sucks! We spend more per student
per year than most industrialized countries and rank very near to last.
Our students come out of high school illiterate. (I myself had to play
catch up in college, meaning I had to take remedial math courses
before I could take the hard ones) Oregon spends more than almost any
other state and we rank nearly last! This is why I home school. My
children all score in the 90th percentiles in all subject areas. And I
am not a trained teacher. Even a majority of our young teachers here
can't even pass the college entrance tests we are asking our children
to take! This is what will happen to Universal Health care if it is passed
in our country.

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Liebling:-)))

[QUOTE]I know what you are talking about. I repeat in my previous postS that I NEVER have any experience to have a long waiting list for surgery or whatever and then made an other subject to share my experience of visit to hospitail in USA over a long waiting HOURS, not LISTING. This is a difference. You also misquoted my post in first place, too.

Yes I know what you are talking about gross wage before insurances and taxes but it really doesn´t bother me because I prefer to pay off to insurances to protect myself and my family because I want the safety than sorry... Without insurance, I would face a huge bill from for expensive surgeries, etc. No thank...

Perhaps for you but what about Americans? Every employees/workers pay 50% and their Employers paid other 50% accord German law. Anyway, I really don´t have any complaint that I pay 50% because my healthy insursance cover everything what my family & I need with NO complication... and also 3 to 6 weeks spa resort...

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You will have my answer later.

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As what you said that you work to pay tax for medicare and medicard to help poor people and then plus get insurance for yourself is an expensive than Hillary´s plan.

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[QUOTE]Yes, I know... but what if they CANNOT afford for monthly payments when the bill is a huge?

$5 per week for $300 to $500 is a logical but $10,000? $5 per week for $10,000 bill?

But it shows their dishonest what they tried to charge you more when they thought you have an insurance.

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long listing is longer than wait for hours.

15.6% american do not have health insurance.

Most health insurance come from full-time work which are always far better than 50-50.

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[QUOTE]I know what you are saying but I would say it´s obligation to pay social insurances like what I told you in my previous post. I know it´s not tax when I see the name of my health insurance in my wage slip because I gave their name and account number to my Employer to remove % from my wage to direct to their accounts. They named which companies/offices they transfer % from my wage slip to. That´s what I tried to explain you in my previous post.

Here
Yes, we have. I can decide which health insurance, I want to. All what I do is look for pros and cons offers from different health insurance companies before agree to join one of them and then gave the name of my health insurance and their bank account number to my Employer. I can see the name of my health insurance on my wage slip. The employees/workers can change health insurance if they like to but they need to inform Employer with new health insurance and bank account number. I have been changed health insurance twice.

Hillary plan is cheaper than you work to pay tax and then plus insurance for yourself.

But you work to pay tax for medicare for many years before you are able to get medicare. I think Hillary´s plan is better.

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This link, I provided about "Young to Die" is a true story. It written in DVD and also movie as well...

Check my response post to Maria what I copied from John Q´s movie.

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Well, some people reject Hillary´s plan because they don´t want to pay more tax to take care of people´s health and welfare.

Do I complaint when unemployees or elders use my money from insurance to have free medicare? No, I understand that they need medical helps to keep their health or save their risk life. I would complaint if government spend my tax on war issues because I expect the taxes, I paid to take care of people and country.

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How do you know Hillary is not telling the truth?

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Accord my link...
First of all, with 2,200 heart transplants performed in the U.S. each year, the procedure is no longer considered experimental; most policies today cover it. More important, those patients whose policies place restrictions on their transplant coverage and those who have no insurance at all are not simply turned away. (Even prisoners are entitled; in January a 31-year-old felon serving time in a California prison received a heart transplant that it is estimated could cost that state's taxpayers some $400,000, if not more.) doesn´t sound fictional story to me...

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[QUOTE]I do not trust medias sometimes. You know that the media often make up stories. I rather to have both sides is listen comments about their experiences in Canada.


Because unborn babies or mother will die if they keep unborn baby inside mother because of waiting list. UK do have waiting list for surgeries but with baby deliver is out of question. Baby deliver is TOP and EMERGENCY of waiting list.

Anyway, I am thrilling to see my Canadian friend who expect her baby next week because it´s REAL... I beleive when I get the new from only HER.

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Hubby and I are both retired veterans. We use the VA hospital for our services. The services are not free. They are cheaper but they are not totally free. Our prescription meds are free from the military pharmacy.

It does not cover eye glasses, dental care, or non-prescription meds.

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Reba

Exactly. If we aren't safe in our country, then all the medical insurance in the world will be worthless to us.

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Reba

No, Hillary's plan would increase the expense for me, and reduce my choices.

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Reba

How can you say that you listen to both sides, when you just stated that you don't trust one side? You contradict yourself.

Basically, you trust the media when it supports your argument, and you don't trust the media when it disputes your argument.

Where do you get the proof that "the media often make up stories?" If you really believe that, which stories do you choose to believe?


That's why the moms come to the USA to deliver. They can't wait.

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Reba

They make arrangements for an affordable amount. Sometimes the social workers help negotiate.


Yep. Even for thousands.


It's because they want to get more from the insurance companies. Hospitals and doctors know that they can charge the insurance companies more.

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Reba

The report on waiting lists for Canadian medical services showed periods of weeks and months waiting, not just a few hours.

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Reba

Show me the money.


Not better for me. It will cost more.

Show me some numbers to prove your point.

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Reba

That excerpt is not about the movie John Q.

If anything, that magazine article points out that the movie's premise was totally fake.


Magazine article: facts

Movie: fiction


OK?

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Reba

What on earth does that have to do with this topic?

OK. It proves that the movie is fiction. I think we got it.

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Foxrac

My dad is retired veteran (Marines) too and he was explained to me about benefit on retired veteran who hit 65 years or over, such as senior are receive benefit from military.

I'm means for benefit on senior citizen that who is retired veteran, even with spouse, not normal people who is under 65.

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Reba

Yes, that's what I'm talking about, too. Hubby and I are both retired veterans (Navy). We use the veterans hospital for our medical services. We pay fees for those services. The only things we get free from the military are our prescription drugs.

I get veteran's services because I'm a veteran myself. I don't get any services as a spouse.

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Foxrac

Oh really, children and other spouse (for example like mother) who are not retired veteran can get military ID since spouse like dad is retired veteran who live with them but their son and daughter will lose the military ID when after they are 18 and not in school, it did happened to me and I'm not worry about that.

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I have a retired veteran ID, and a dependent ID (as spouse of Hubby). My only ID benefits are using the hospital, getting prescriptions, using the commissary, exchange and recreational facilities, and sometimes getting discounts at some stores.

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fredfam1

And the VA itself has set priorities on that care. Because I have a %40
service connected disability, my care costs me nothing, except for non
service connected issues which I would pay for,
and people with more of a disability get
priority care except for emergencies.

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