Hillary for President! Vote? - Page 4

Sunshinelady · 01-24-2007, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

He also raped a woman against her will, and he lied under oath. Those are crimes, not personal foilbles. Can you honor a man who rapes and lies?

True, I never heard about he raped a woman.
you mean, "Can i honour this Bill Clinton...?" yes and I did tell that i dont care about his private.

**Liebling:-)))** · 01-24-2007, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunshinelady

True, I never heard about he raped a woman.
you mean, "Can i honour this Bill Clinton...?" yes and I did tell that i dont care about his private.

Yes I second that.

Star · 01-24-2007, 01:16 PM

I vote for Hillary!! Go Hillary!! I'm proud to be Democratic!!

**Reba** · 01-24-2007, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Rape? Huh? She want him as he want her as well...

Read this:

The Reluctant Courage of Juanita Broaddrick
By Marie-Jose Ragab
May 8, 2000

On February 19, 1999, the Wall Street Journal published "Juanita Broaddrick Meets the Press". Written by Dorothy Rabinowitz, a member of the Journal's editorial board, the article reported that a Clinton campaign worker had been sexually assaulted by then Arkansas Attorney General Clinton in 1978, with great brutality. The story had never died and had circulated in selected feminist circles, including the NOW National office where I learned of it. During the 1992 presidential campaign, journalists "chased" after the alleged victim, to no avail.

Registered under the pseudonym "Jane Doe No. 5" in the Paula Jones case to protect her privacy, she testified under oath, supported by five corroborating witnesses. Her declaration was made available to lawmakers in charge impeachment. It was so compelling that it influenced some House Republicans to vote against Mr. Clinton. House Democrats were less interested.

In January 1999, the public learned that "Jane Doe No. 5" was Mrs. Juanita Broaddrick, and that she had finally accepted to be interviewed by Lisa Myers from NBC , a well-regarded reporter. Mr. Clinton had already been impeached and the Senate vote was pending. The interview took place on January 20, 1999. It lasted for hours. "Shaking with fear" writes Rabinowitz, Mrs. Broaddrick recalled with much pain her harrowing tale.

NBC had planned to release the interview on January 29th. The presidential impeachment vote was set for February 12th. Citing one excuse after the other, the network repeatedly delayed the release of the interview. Protest mounted. On February 21, Tim Russert, NBC Washington Bureau Chief and host of the popular Sunday morning T.V. program "Meet the Press", invited Lisa Myers to appear as a guest. With callous pointedness, he asked the startled Myers if "as gruesome as it sounds, do the American people really care about something that happened 20 years ago?".

The Senate impeachment vote went ahead on February 12th as scheduled. The pre-arranged result matched the pre-announced outcome and NBC management was now safe to run Mrs. Broaddrick's interview. A drastically cut version of her original recording was finally released on February 24th. The American people, manipulated once again,did care. The vast majority of the millions who watched the dignified, soft-spoken and pain-filled woman believed she was telling the truth. Unease enveloped the nation, never fully lifting.

Once again, NOW wasted no time in joining the chorus of Democrat feminists ever-ready to profess disgust and repulsion for the act and simultaneous support for the actor in the manner that had become the trademark of White House apologists. Carried away by devoted fervor, they even attacked Mrs. Broaddrick's credibility and blamed her for her plight, in imitation of what criminal lawyers do to defend an accused client.

But the reality was far worse than the NBC interview had revealed. Here is the testimony Broaddrick told to Diana Woznicki as part of the investigation conducted during the Clinton impeachment.

"When the Attorney General arrived, he was alone. Broaddrick was completely at ease because, after all, this was a business meeting. The two engaged in some general small talk, and Broaddrick ushered Clinton to the window, where the coffee service was laid out.

Suddenly, Clinton began kissing her, at first not forcefully. But then he threw her on the bed and kept kissing her. She struggled to get away, and as she did, he got on top of her and bit her lower lip as a way of controlling her. Every time she struggled, Clinton bit harder to keep control of her. She kept saying no, that she didn't want this to happen. The pain became excruciating. He forced her legs apart and raped her. At one point in the attack, Clinton assured Juanita that there was no danger of her getting pregnant. He said, "I had mumps when I was a kid; I'm sterile." Finally the ordeal appeared to be completed. Clinton rose up slightly as though he were about to with draw. Then he said, "My God, I can do it again! " And he did.

When Clinton finally completed the assault, Broaddrick was close to collapse. She was sobbing uncontrollably , afraid of what might happen next, confused, and in a panic. Clinton appeared unfazed. He coolly rose from the bed and went into the bathroom. All the time Juanita was afraid to move. He emerged after a few minutes and started to walk out. When he reached the door, he turned to his sobbing victim, still lying on the bed, smiled and said, "You better do something about that lip. Get some ice on it." Then he put on his sunglasses and left."

dulles

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What about Bush and his dozen of lies during President time... ?

What lies?

**Reba** · 01-24-2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunshinelady

True, I never heard about he raped a woman....

Then you haven't been following the news.

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The Intimidating Ordeal of Juanita Broaddrick
Carl Limbacher
February 9, 1999

Insights from a Women's Advocate Who Knows Her

A women's advocate and rape crisis counselor who has befriended Juanita Broaddrick told NewsMax.com on Sunday that the Clinton accuser has no political or financial motive and has not timed her allegation to coincide with the President's Senate impeachment trial.

But despite Broaddrick's lack of ulterior motives, her friend believes that NBC News will not air the January 20 interview Broaddrick gave to Lisa Myers until the trial is over.

This friend, with years of experience with women like Broaddrick, stressed that her relationship with the alleged Clinton rape victim is primarily supportive -- and that she is neither Broaddrick's spokesperson nor has she counseled her in a professional capacity.

Since the Rapegate controversy exploded two weeks ago, Broaddrick's friend has become the target of what she says appears to be a White House inspired intelligence-gathering operation. She agreed to be interviewed by NewsMax.com only on condition of anonymity, sharing insights on rape and the challenges confronted by victims like Broaddrick.

Why do rape victims like Juanita Broaddrick often wait so long before coming forward?

"The experience of rape can intimidate the victim for years – possibly forever. Many women who've had it happen never report it. It's far worse when the perpetrator is a powerful person like Clinton. Society finds a woman more credible when she's accusing someone of lower status who just jumped her from behind the bushes. It's the well connected perpetrator who most often gets away with it."

Does the average rapist do it only once?

"No. While rapists are completely capable of having normal relations with their wives and girlfriends, once they rape, they often do it again -- especially if they know they can get away with it."

How do rape victims and their counselors feel when feminist leaders turn away from sexual abuse victims like Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey and Juanita Broaddrick?

"We keep in contact with women across the nation who've had things like this happen. And I can tell you, they were really upset with Clinton even before Juanita's case came to the forefront. It's annoying when people think Gloria Steinem and Patricia Ireland speak for us."

Do experts recommend that women like Broaddrick come forward?

"As a rule we generally don't encourage rape victims to go public because we know what happens to them. It's very unpleasant because most people don't want to believe the victims. A victim like Juanita may think she can get this out of her system with one interview and then it will be over. But it will never be over. Her life will be changed forever. I never advised Juanita to come forward."

If NBC won't run her interview, why doesn't she just go to another network?

"People who say she should take her story elsewhere don't understand that most victims are emotionally exhausted after an interview like that. It's not easy to recount the intimate, embarrassing details of a rape experience. Now that NBC won't run it immediately, it's almost like saying they don't believe her. That's every rape victim's nightmare. Besides, what guarantee does she have that the next network won't do the same?

"It's Juanita's decision to do what she feels is best for her. Victims tend to think with their emotions. The truth comes out on their own terms and on their timetable, as frustrating as that may seem to others who care deeply about the victim's well being."

Could President Clinton ever be prosecuted on the basis of Broaddrick's charge?

"No way. The statute of limitations for rape in Arkansas is 6 or 7 years. He's not going to be prosecuted no matter how much evidence she has."

Do many rape victims come forward after waiting 20 years, as Juanita Broaddrick has.

"Oh yeah. The majority stay silent forever but we've had several who have sought counseling after 10, 15, 20 years of keeping the assault secret. We get referrals from psychiatrists who say they have a patient that needs to talk to us. And we try to be there for them if they have a panic attack or a nightmare -- or if they run into their rapist, which does happen."

According to an ABC News investigation, which was revealed through an inter-office memo uncovered by NewsMax.com's executive editor, Christopher Ruddy, Juanita Broaddrick did encounter her alleged rapist thirteen years after her assault. The memo recounts an incident just before Clinton announced presidential his bid.

Clinton had Broaddrick pulled from a meeting and offered what ABC insiders describe as an "apology". He also asked her "if there was anything he could do." (See: Leaked ABC News Memo Details Rape Allegations -- NewsMax.com, Dec. 22. 1998)
The Intimidating Ordeal of Juanita Broaddrick

**Reba** · 01-24-2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Yes I second that.

I don't know about German laws, but in the USA, rape is a crime, not "private".

Throwstones · 01-24-2007, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Star

I vote for Hillary!! Go Hillary!! I'm proud to be Democratic!!

Horray!!!! I am super Democratic, too!!!!

Go Hillary!!!!

Woofy · 01-24-2007, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

Hmm... I don't know who I will vote for. However, I do hope that Bush is out soon.

Bush can only serve 2 four year terms. He is in his second term. He cannot run for president again.

Woofy · 01-24-2007, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Come on, everyone tell lies... Of course you, me and everyone... We are only human and not prefect people... but Bush is the mainly worst who tell lies real ALOT.

How many Bush made mistakes? of course DOZEN... what Clinton did is only ONE MISTAKE.

Did you know that JFK is a womanizer?

There have been strong rumors that Bill Clinton has had at least ONE affair. There were lots of women out there stating that he did this and that. And, still Hillary "stood by her man." That's her choice and more reason for her to try to become president using the Clinton name.

Woofy · 01-24-2007, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Eve

Where/who the republican potentials?

I wonder?

Woofy · 01-25-2007, 12:03 AM

Hello all,

I have read all of your interesting comments.

I will not vote for Hillary Clinton. Why???

I don't like her personality. She is always pushing people around in the congress. She wants things her own way. She acts like she has PMS. Her trips to Iraq are media stunts. It is a popular politician method for voters to see who she is. “Look at me… I am in Iraq saying hello.” That means nothing.

She only served one term as a senator (6 year term) from New York. She was the best candidate from New York, other candidates were nobodies. From what I understand she isn’t even a native New Yorker. She is from Arkansas, where her hubby was a governor there. There was a lot of resentment that she used New York as a way to jumpstart her run for a presidential bid.

She has been using the Clinton name to attract donors to help support her run for senator and now, for president of the USA. If she wasn’t married to William (Bill as many call him) Clinton, she wouldn’t have a chance. She stayed married to him despite her hubby having at least one affair with other women so that she can use him as a tool to become president. In the USA, many women would divorce their husbands for sexual affairs but in the Clintons’ case, this didn’t happen. That’s fine. Lots of women lost a lot of respect for Hillary Clinton.

She has been a shrewd politician from the beginning. She is not to be trusted with being the leader of the free world.

I would rather look at other candidates’ platforms before I make an educated decision.

**Reba** · 01-25-2007, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Woofy

...She has been using the Clinton name to attract donors to help support her run for senator and now, for president of the USA. If she wasn’t married to William (Bill as many call him) Clinton, she wouldn’t have a chance. ...

Good point. If she hadn't been First Lady, there is NO way she would have even been elected Senator from New York. Without Bill, she was nobody.

Sunshinelady · 01-25-2007, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Woofy

There have been strong rumors that Bill Clinton has had at least ONE affair. There were lots of women out there stating that he did this and that. And, still Hillary "stood by her man." That's her choice and more reason for her to try to become president using the Clinton name.

*umm*... you said "...using the Clinton name"
same Georg W. Bush then Georg Bush. Where is Problem? Are you for Georg Bush or..... Republican?

Woofy · 01-25-2007, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Sunshinelady

*umm*... you said "...using the Clinton name"
same Georg W. Bush then Georg Bush. Where is Problem? Are you for Georg Bush or..... Republican?

George Bush earned his right to become president of the USA. (I am not saying that he is the best president of modern times.) He worked his butt off. He grew up in Texas. He was governor of Texas for 2 terms. He rightfully earned it. He was a very good governor for TX. He was part of a group that ran the Texas Rangers. He was a very successful businessman.

Hillary Clinton was accused of carpetbagging, meaning that she used politics to make a name for herself with a big C and that is CLINTON. She never really lived in NY. It is all politics. As for Hillary, she was accused of breaking ethics rules when she was working for a law firm.

**Reba** · 11-07-2007, 09:13 PM

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Today, former Clinton friend Kathleen Willey releases her new book “Target.” In the book, Willey alleges that her husband’s death in 1993 was murder and she points a finger of suspicion at the Clintons. Willey alleged that Clinton groped her during a White House meeting in 1993. At that time, Willey was looking for a job and asking the President to help her during a financial crisis for her family. Instead she said that Clinton sexually harassed her in a hallway outside the Oval Office.

Willey’s name was released to the media in 1997 during the Paula Jones trial. She also appeared as a very prominent guest on “60 Minutes” television show making serious charges against President Clinton during the height of the Lewinsky scandal prior to the impeachment proceedings.

Willey maintains that the manuscript for her book was stolen from her home in September and that the break-in was just another Clinton maneuver to silence her. To Willey, it was reminiscent of the event ten years ago in which a “jogger” threatened on the eve of her testimony in the Jones case.

Willey actually makes a connection to the Vince Foster case and says the autopsy of her husband was suspicious. The cause of death was interesting. According to the medical examiner, Ed Willey died after he held the gun with both hands and pulled the trigger with his right hand, even though he was a left hander. According to Willey, “That’s exactly how Vince Foster is said to have killed himself.”

Kathleen Willey Book Suspects Clinton For Husband Killing

fredfam1 · 11-07-2007, 09:53 PM

Lots of women lost a lot of respect for Hillary Clinton.

And I am one of them. But really, if Hillary becomes president
then I would be very, very afraid that history would repeat
itself. No I am not afraid she would start another war. I am
very afraid she would....DATE AN INTERN!!!! Ahhhhhhh! Every
body duck and cover!

Any way you will know me when you see me. I will be wearing
the "ANY BODY BUT HILLARY" T shirt.

Texan Guy · 11-07-2007, 10:56 PM

It would be better if it's "Anybody but HITLERY."

Deafilmedia · 11-08-2007, 02:00 AM

Hillary Clinton doesn't have much leadership skill.
She only been Senator for 6 years and only been elected once.
That doesn't mean she is qualify enough to be President.

I don't think she knows anything about military... and how
she gonna be Commander in Chief.

If terrorists attacked our country, what is she gonna do?

Bush already messed up this country because of lack of
military knowledge, why Iraq?

he is President because his father was.

And Hillary wants to be President... and thinks she will win because
her husband was President.

I don't think she will listen to her husband's advice.

**Liebling:-)))** · 11-08-2007, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I don't know about German laws, but in the USA, rape is a crime, not "private".

Anyway, the rape is a crime accord German law.

But Juanita Broaddrick's case is lapsed because her case was in 70s which is too old. They can't prove either her case is true or not.

Why make first public at many years later in 90s then?

I noticed that women made claim against Clinton during his affair scandal time... It make no sense to me.

I agree that their claim against Clinton is lapsed.

**Liebling:-)))** · 11-08-2007, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Woofy

There have been strong rumors that Bill Clinton has had at least ONE affair. There were lots of women out there stating that he did this and that. And, still Hillary "stood by her man." That's her choice and more reason for her to try to become president using the Clinton name.

What Clinton did is none of my business. It's between married couple. It's up to Hilary either she choose to stay married to him or not.

I personally beleive that Hillary choose to stay married to him due political ground because she is a political person. Political is her passion for years before she met Bill... She was a lawyer and involve political issues. She is a strong woman and do not need her husband's name... That's why I beleive she is a great president.

**Liebling:-)))** · 11-08-2007, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Then you haven't been following the news.

Prove?

**Liebling:-)))** · 11-08-2007, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Good point. If she hadn't been First Lady, there is NO way she would have even been elected Senator from New York. Without Bill, she was nobody.

Respectfully disagreed. (See my previous post)

**Liebling:-)))** · 11-08-2007, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Kathleen Willey Book Suspects Clinton For Husband Killing

Again, prove?

**Liebling:-)))** · 11-08-2007, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by fredfam1

Lots of women lost a lot of respect for Hillary Clinton.

And I am one of them. But really, if Hillary becomes president
then I would be very, very afraid that history would repeat
itself. No I am not afraid she would start another war. I am
very afraid she would....DATE AN INTERN!!!! Ahhhhhhh! Every
body duck and cover!

Any way you will know me when you see me. I will be wearing
the "ANY BODY BUT HILLARY" T shirt.

Why ?

As far as I know she support health care system for American people and including children which is great because million Americans have no health insurances.

**Liebling:-)))** · 11-08-2007, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Texan Guy

It would be better if it's "Anybody but HITLERY."

**Liebling:-)))** · 11-08-2007, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Deafilmedia

Hillary Clinton doesn't have much leadership skill.
She only been Senator for 6 years and only been elected once.
That doesn't mean she is qualify enough to be President.

Not just 6 years but many years political experiences.

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And Hillary wants to be President... and thinks she will win because
her husband was President.

No, it has nothing do with Bill Clinton and his presdient time but herself and her knowledge skill.

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I don't think she will listen to her husband's advice.

Why should Hillary need her husband's advice when she has equal knowledge skill as him?

**Reba** · 11-08-2007, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Texan Guy

It would be better if it's "Anybody but HITLERY."

Or the Hill-Billy couple from Arkansas.

**Reba** · 11-08-2007, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

... That's why I beleive she is a great president.

When was she elected President? Did I miss something? Or do you mean when she shared the presidency with Bill?

**Reba** · 11-08-2007, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Prove?

That you haven't been following the news? That's easy. The statements that you post prove that.

**Reba** · 11-08-2007, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Respectfully disagreed. (See my previous post)

On what do you base that? If Hillary was just an Arkansas lawyer, not related to Bill, do you really believe the people of New York state would have elected her Senator? Why?

01-25-2007, 12:03 AM	#101 (permalink)
Woofy Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: California Posts: 316	Hello all, I have read all of your interesting comments. I will not vote for Hillary Clinton. Why??? I don't like her personality. She is always pushing people around in the congress. She wants things her own way. She acts like she has PMS. Her trips to Iraq are media stunts. It is a popular politician method for voters to see who she is. “Look at me… I am in Iraq saying hello.” That means nothing. She only served one term as a senator (6 year term) from New York. She was the best candidate from New York, other candidates were nobodies. From what I understand she isn’t even a native New Yorker. She is from Arkansas, where her hubby was a governor there. There was a lot of resentment that she used New York as a way to jumpstart her run for a presidential bid. She has been using the Clinton name to attract donors to help support her run for senator and now, for president of the USA. If she wasn’t married to William (Bill as many call him) Clinton, she wouldn’t have a chance. She stayed married to him despite her hubby having at least one affair with other women so that she can use him as a tool to become president. In the USA, many women would divorce their husbands for sexual affairs but in the Clintons’ case, this didn’t happen. That’s fine. Lots of women lost a lot of respect for Hillary Clinton. She has been a shrewd politician from the beginning. She is not to be trusted with being the leader of the free world. I would rather look at other candidates’ platforms before I make an educated decision. __________________ [/SIGPIC] Woofy

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Star Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Somewhere Posts: 71	I vote for Hillary!! Go Hillary!! I'm proud to be Democratic!!

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fredfam1 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,025	Lots of women lost a lot of respect for Hillary Clinton. And I am one of them. But really, if Hillary becomes president then I would be very, very afraid that history would repeat itself. No I am not afraid she would start another war. I am very afraid she would....DATE AN INTERN!!!! Ahhhhhhh! Every body duck and cover! Any way you will know me when you see me. I will be wearing the "ANY BODY BUT HILLARY" T shirt.

11-08-2007, 02:00 AM	#108 (permalink)
Deafilmedia Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,579	Hillary Clinton doesn't have much leadership skill. She only been Senator for 6 years and only been elected once. That doesn't mean she is qualify enough to be President. I don't think she knows anything about military... and how she gonna be Commander in Chief. If terrorists attacked our country, what is she gonna do? Bush already messed up this country because of lack of military knowledge, why Iraq? he is President because his father was. And Hillary wants to be President... and thinks she will win because her husband was President. I don't think she will listen to her husband's advice.