Hillary for President! Vote? - Page 12

Liebling:-))) · 11-17-2007, 11:45 AM

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You mean before the movie John Q people had no clue that people didn't have enough health insurance? I don't think so.

Also, the movie presented a false picture of the American health care situation, and an even falser solution.

This is your POV.

Liebling:-))) · 11-17-2007, 12:28 PM

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Where on earth do you get that bizarre idea? And since when is a foreigner not human? We're all foreigners in other countries. So what?

Good, next time don´t tell me what to do with my suggestion/recommendation posts that´s because I am not an American. I has the right to suggest/recommend anyone what I like to, no matter where we come from. I do not see anyone as foreigner but human. I do feel you see me in foreigner because you DID tell me off for not suggest/recommend Americans to vote.

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What is this fixation with "rules" and the forbidden? No one is forbidding you from posting anything.

Thank you

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But that doesn't mean everyone has to accept every word that you post as golden.

I do not expect anyone to agree with me, don´t you? We are here to share our debate with agree to disagree, not tell them what to do with their posts or tell them off because they are not Americans.

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Again, where on earth do you get these overblown perceptions?

Next time, don´t tell me off for suggest/recommend anyone from different countries. Alex welcome the people from the world and like to hear their suggestion/recommendation.

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If you want to tell Americans how to vote and live, be my guest. I'm sure you will be just as accepting when we criticize German politics and culture, and tell you how to vote and live.

wow, I really have no problem with anyone for judge or criticize other countries including Germany because every countries in the world are not prefect. You often criticize other countries in your previous posts and also several threads, don´t you? I am total surprised that you are allow to criticize other countries and do not allow the people to criticize your countries... You also have the problem with the people for suggest/recommend Americans to vote Hillary that´s because they are not American... wow... It shows that you see them as a foreigner, not human. Anyway, I do not criticize every cultures where I travel to but show our respect on their culture. I travel half world and almost all Europe and use to know their different culture and have no problem for that. Oh yes we criticize every politices in different countries in the world why we agree to disagree like we made posts in several politics threads.

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Since you and I are the same race, I know that you aren't referring to us. Since I never brought up race as an issue in this thread I can't solve it for you.

It´s too bad that you see different and think it´s okay to tell the people from other countries off for not suggest/recommend Americans. To me, everyone are human and feel free to share their suggestion, recommenation, etc. I would not upset or offend if Americans recommend or suggest me to vote which German politics because I like to hear their view why they suggest/recommend and why disagree etc.

Liebling:-))) · 11-17-2007, 12:29 PM

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As I said before, the social worker doesn't "solve" the debt; the social worker is a mediator in the negotiations.

OK, I'm lying.

Yes I know what you talking about negaotiation... I am asking you to explain me how they do that?

Liebling:-))) · 11-17-2007, 12:41 PM

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I asked you to convince me that Hillary's plan would benefit me as an American. What good or relevance is there in European examples? Hillary's plan will affect Americans, not Europeans. Our tax system is not the same as Europe's. Americans are the voters and taxpayers here; Europeans are not. We want to know what health care plan will work for us.

Yes, I know. I DID answered your previous question about tax credit that I don´t know about American tax system but you misinterpreted my post saying that I don´t understand Hillary plan... I was like huh? All what I tried to explain you about Hillary´s healthcare plan which is compare to EU countries but I don´t know about US tax system. That´s what I tried to tell you that EU and US tax system is not same.

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Excuse me? If Hillary wants a European plan then she should move to Europe. Americans want an American plan or none at all. This isn't Europe, and our system of government is not the same.

Huh?

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If you want Hillary's plan for you, then you can have it. But please don't force it on us Americans. We're the ones who would have to pay for it. It doesn't come out of your pocket.

Force? Huh? Who is "we"? Do you mean you and your hubby or the people who do not desire to have healthcare insurance? Anyway, it´s about people including children, not just you who desire to have healthcare insurance for their family but they cannot afford to acheive the extra healthcare insurance for themselves. See the example of link how a 12 years old boy died because his parents cannot afford extra healthcare insurance for themselves.

Liebling:-))) · 11-17-2007, 12:55 PM

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Oooo, you can prophesize what the social worker will do! I'm impressed!

I suggest something since you brought the subject up about social worker...

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Why should I visit Google? It's more fun watching you make statements that you can't support with facts.

Yeah, I know you like fun to watch the people´s posts because you think you know better than them. Yes I know you like to make fun to watch people´s posts and like to to put the people down with your misinterpetion posts because you think they can´t support with facts. It´s you.

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That's just it; the price is an offer. You can take it or leave it. If you don't like the suggested price go to other shop. It's a free country. (At least in America.) You can't

the shop owner and force him to change his price.

I like to see the owner treat you and me equal when he or she make price offer to us on the same time, no matter either we have insurance or not. It shows their dishonestly when he or she treat us different that´s because I have insurance, not you.

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So you're stuck with prices that can't be negotiated. Oh, well.

I do not need it because the medical bills go to my insurance.

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What part is dishonest? They charge exactly what the insurance allows. How is that dishonest? They try to help out the people who don't have insurance. Are you against that?

help?

They see after insurance to make fat profit themselves.

Liebling:-))) · 11-17-2007, 12:58 PM

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What?! Are we forbidden from posting quotes from other threads!?

Do you remember those thread?

http://www.alldeaf.com/general-chat/...hijacking.html

Anyway, fredfam1 have no problem to answer my post. Fredfam1 and I humor our posts. What is your problem then?

Reba · 11-17-2007, 01:16 PM

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Good, next time don´t tell me what to do with my suggestion/recommendation posts that´s because I am not an American. I has the right to suggest/recommend anyone what I like to, no matter where we come from. I do not see anyone as foreigner but human. I do feel you see me in foreigner because you DID tell me off for not suggest/recommend Americans to vote.

The United States is a sovereign nation, and Americans do not appreciate other countries telling them what to do. Our elections belong to us, not other countries. Our candidates and their programs belong to us, not other countries. Our laws are determined by our people and our Congress, not other countries.

So I can tell any person from any other country that they have no right to tell us how to vote. That's all.

BTW, do I ever tell you how to vote in Germany? Nope, never. Do I ever criticize Germany's choice of president? Nope, never.

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I do not expect anyone to agree with me, don´t you? We are here to share our debate with agree to disagree, not tell them what to do with their posts or tell them off because they are not Americans.

You might not expect anyone to agree with you but you certainly don't like disagreement.

What did I tell you to do with your posts? I never told you off for not being an American. I just said that you can't tell us how to vote, just like we can't tell you how to vote. We should respect each other's national sovereignty.

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Next time, don´t tell me off for suggest/recommend anyone from different countries. Alex welcome the people from the world and like to hear their suggestion/recommendation.

Let me get this straight.

It's OK for you to give me orders but I can't say anything negative to you?

Jawohl!

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wow, I really have no problem with anyone for judge or criticize other countries including Germany because every countries in the world are not prefect. You often criticize other countries in your previous posts and also several threads, don´t you? I am total surprised that you are allow to criticize other countries and do not allow the people to criticize your countries...

You have got to be kidding. Many people at AD criticize America every day, and I have never said that they aren't allowed to criticize.

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You also have the problem with the people for suggest/recommend Americans to vote Hillary that´s because they are not American...

Telling people of another country how they should vote is not the same as making critical comments about the existing situation.

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wow... It shows that you see them as a foreigner, not human.

Foreigners are foreign, and they are human. What's wrong with being foreign? If I visit your country I would be a foreign human. But I certainly wouldn't expect to campaign or vote in your elections.

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Anyway, I do not criticize every cultures where I travel to but show our respect on their culture.

You do criticize America, and you are telling us that we don't manage our health care the way you think it should be done, and you tell us who we should vote for. That's criticism and buttinski.

I certainly wouldn't dream of visiting Germany, then come back here and post criticisms of your society, and tell you who you should pick for your next president. You don't even understand how our system works, so how can you tell us that Hillary's plan works better?

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... I would not upset or offend if Americans recommend or suggest me to vote which German politics....

It would be very presumptuous for any American to tell you for whom you should vote. Besides, Jimmy Carter takes care of that.

fredfam1 · 11-17-2007, 08:02 PM

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It would be very presumptuous for any American to tell you for whom you should vote. Besides, Jimmy Carter takes care of that.

Liebling:-))) · 11-18-2007, 02:21 PM

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The United States is a sovereign nation, and Americans do not appreciate other countries telling them what to do. Our elections belong to us, not other countries. Our candidates and their programs belong to us, not other countries. Our laws are determined by our people and our Congress, not other countries.

So I can tell any person from any other country that they have no right to tell us how to vote. That's all.

BTW, do I ever tell you how to vote in Germany? Nope, never. Do I ever criticize Germany's choice of president? Nope, never.

I would not tell anyone what to do or criticize them but offer/suggest/recommend them, that´s all. They have no problem with my offer/suggestion/recommendation in real life because they know the difference. I will know the difference between "tell you off", "tell you what to do" and offer/recommendation/suggestion.

Anyway, this is only Forum, we can open what we think since the thread creator ask for our opinion, no matter either I am an American or not.

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You might not expect anyone to agree with you but you certainly don't like disagreement.

You said this yourself, not me.

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What did I tell you to do with your posts? I never told you off for not being an American. I just said that you can't tell us how to vote, just like we can't tell you how to vote. We should respect each other's national sovereignty.

Yes you told me off for suggest/recommend Americans and also accused me to criticize/force Americans to vote Hillary. I am here to explain why I am for Hillary´s plan since the thread creator asked us for our opinion/POV over Hillary, that´s all. She didn´t say anything that it should be Americans only who posts in her thread which mean is the people from different countries are welcome to share their POV why they are for Hillary´s plan or not.

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Let me get this straight.

It's OK for you to give me orders but I can't say anything negative to you?

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You have got to be kidding. Many people at AD criticize America every day, and I have never said that they aren't allowed to criticize.

Jawohl!

*scratch my head*

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Telling people of another country how they should vote is not the same as making critical comments about the existing situation.

I am here to explain/debate in polite way why I am for Hillary and also make my suggestion/recommendation posts. Its about people including children´s health issues who desire to have health insurance coverage. They are reason, I am here.

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Foreigners are foreign, and they are human. What's wrong with being foreign? If I visit your country I would be a foreign human.

Oh, this is your view. I see different view as you. We don´t say "Foreign" or see "Foreigner" in them but human. We often call them as Tourists when they visit our countries.

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But I certainly wouldn't expect to campaign or vote in your elections.

*scratch my head*

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You do criticize America, and you are telling us that we don't manage our health care the way you think it should be done, and you tell us who we should vote for. That's criticism and buttinski.

*scratch my head* I criticize and buttinski health care issues here? I do not see anything that I criticize and buttinski anyone with their healthcare but explain why I am for Hillary´s plan and why healthcare is important for everyone and you explained me why you are against Hillary´s plan then we began to debate... I do not see anything that I criticize your healthcare. I do not see anything that I force or tell anyone to do or make them to vote Hillary but suggestion/recommendation. This is a false accussation of you.

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I certainly wouldn't dream of visiting Germany, then come back here and post criticisms of your society, and tell you who you should pick for your next president.

*scratch my head* Okkkkaaayyy

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You don't even understand how our system works, so how can you tell us that Hillary's plan works better?

*scratch my head* Okkaayyyy

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It would be very presumptuous for any American to tell you for whom you should vote. Besides, Jimmy Carter takes care of that.

Okkaayyyy... It´s

suggestion of you...

Reba · 11-18-2007, 03:28 PM

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Oh, this is your view. I see different view as you. We don´t say "Foreign" or see "Foreigner" in them but human. We often call them as Tourists when they visit our countries.*scratch my head*

Foreign is not a bad word. It's not an insult word. It simply means that someone (foreign exchange student) or something (foreign car) is from another country. What's the big deal? Not all foreigners are tourists, and not all tourists are foreigners, so that term doesn't always fit.

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... I do not see anything that I criticize your healthcare. . .

You don't even read your own posts?

Reba · 11-18-2007, 03:31 PM

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Yes I know what you talking about negaotiation... I am asking you to explain me how they do that?

The patient's family, the social worker, and representatives of the hospital and/or doctor, sit around a table and discuss various options. Each side gives a little, takes a little, until every one agrees on a plan.

Reba · 11-20-2007, 06:40 PM

Here's some info about Hillary's campaign:

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Are the Clinton secret police back on patrol?

It looks like they may be making a late campaign comeback.

In a week-end column, Robert Novak alleged that “agents” of Hillary Clinton are “spreading the word that she has scandalous information” about Barack Obama, but decided not to use it. (How considerate of her!)

Obama has come out swinging, accusing the Clinton campaign of trying to swift-boat him and demanding that Clinton either release the information or admit that there is none.

The Clinton camp is shocked that anyone would ever think that it would use such tactics!

Clinton campaign Communications Director (and KGB enforcer look-alike) Howard Wolfson claimed that the campaign had “no idea” what Novak was talking about. Absolutely!

And, as usual, Wolfson tried to turn the embarrassing issue for Hillary into a problem for Barack, claiming he was naive for believing what was in the Novak column.

“A Republican-leaning journalist runs a blind item designed to set Democrats against one another. Experienced Democrats see this for what it is. Others get distracted and thrown off their games,” Wolfson said.

Does anybody really believe that Hillary hasn’t been gathering dirt on her opponents? Anyone with any experience in politics knows one thing for sure: Hillary Clinton plays the game rough and dirty — and she has a sordid history of using private investigators to find scandals in the background of anyone who gets in her way.

While Hillary righteously lectures the candidates about mudslinging, her boys in the back room are readying the dirt to leak when she’s not doing too well.

Remember in the 1992 campaign when Gennifer Flowers and other women were harassed by private detectives? The Clintons used campaign money to pay over $100,000 to private investigators to scare off the women. (Now they’ve learned to bury their investigative costs in lawyers bills.)

And does anyone think it was a coincidence that Republican speaker of the House and the chairman of the Judiciary Committee were outed for extra-marital affairs just at the time that the impeachment vote was about to take place?

Or that there were off the record calls to journalists from the White House accusing Monica Lewinsky of being a stalker?

And what are the odds that the recent rumors about John Edwards came from Clinton operatives?

That’s how the Clintons try to obliterate their opponents, with Hillary at the helm. As she runs for commander-in-chief of the United States, she’s already the commander of the Clinton secret police.

The Clintons have no regard for the privacy of those who get in their way. Their clumsiness in bullying Linda Tripp cost the Department of Defense about $600,000 when she won her lawsuit for invasion of privacy after they arranged to illegally leak confidential information from her personnel file.

To paraphrase Hillary, privacy is just a word if you don’t have the experience and strength to know what to do about it.

And Hillary sure does know what to do.

As she told Sidney Blumenthal when the Lewinsky scandal broke: “We’ll just have to win.”

Winning at any cost is the Clinton mindset. So watch for more dirty tactics whenever Hillary and her team feel under attack.

Can we really afford to have a president who acts this way?

HILLARY’S SECRET POLICE RETURNS at DickMorris.com

I'm no fan of Dick Morris but this is something to investigate.

Reba · 11-20-2007, 06:51 PM

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Clinton aides plant student's question
By PATRICK CALDWELL
Published: Vol 124, Issue 8

The Iowa caucuses are known for their “living-room chats” where ordinary Iowans can meet candidates face-to-face and talk about what interests voters. When candidates have larger events or make major policy speeches, the crowds are bigger, but there is often still an opportunity for questions. But under the pressures of major media coverage, with polls narrowing in Iowa, campaigns can potentially control questions and coverage by planning questions ahead of time.

While no campaigns admit to this practice, at a recent Hillary Clinton campaign event in Newton, Iowa, some of the questions posed to the New York Senator were planned in advance, planting some audience members in the crowd.

On Tuesday Nov. 6, the Clinton campaign stopped at a biodiesel plant in Newton as part of a weeklong series of events to introduce her new energy plan. The event was clearly intended to be as much about the press as the Iowa voters in attendance, as a large press core helped fill the small venue. Reporters from many major national news outlets came to the small Iowa town, from such media giants as The New York Times, Los Angeles Times, the Associated Press, and CNN.

After her speech, Clinton accepted questions. But according to Grinnell College student Muriel Gallo-Chasanoff ’10, some of the questions from the audience were planned in advance. “They were canned,” she said. Before the event began, a Clinton staff member approached Gallo-Chasanoff to ask a specific question after Clinton’s speech. “One of the senior staffers told me what [to ask],” she said.

Clinton called on Gallo-Chasanoff after her speech to ask a question: what Clinton would do to stop the effects of global warming. Clinton began her response by noting that young people often pose this question to her before delving into the benefits of her plan.

But the source of the question was no coincidence—at this event “they wanted a question from a college student,” Gallo-Chasanoff said. She also noted that staffers prompted Clinton to call on her and another who had been approached before the event, although Clinton used her discretion to select questions and called on people who had not been prepped before hand. Some of the questions asked were confusing and clearly off-message.

The practice of planting audience members to ask specific questions does not appear to be a common practice, or at least not a politically acceptable one. “Our campaign does not plant questions,” said Lauren Rose, Communications Director for Governor Bill Richardson’s campaign. When asked what she would think of other campaigns who did plant audience members, Rose said, “I think campaigns should give Iowa caucus-goers the chance to ask the questions they want.”

When asked if the John Edwards campaign employed such practices, Jenni Lee, Edwards’s Iowa Press Secretary said, “No, they ask whatever they want.”

But the Clinton campaign also denied the practice of planting. “It’s not a practice of our campaign to ask people to ask specific questions,” said Mark Daley, Clinton’s Iowa Communications Director. Daley said that when an event is focusing on a specific topic, such as health care or Iraq, “people are encouraged to ask questions in these regards,” but denied that they are given specific questions.

But when directly asked if his statements meant that planting does not occur in the Hillary campaign, Daley could only say, “to the best of my knowledge.”

“[Planting] is not something that is encouraged in our campaign,” he said.

The event in Newton was a particularly major policy speech, more informative than rallying. The campaign’s apparent tactics at this event may have little or no relationship with the questions at less formal campaign events.

Other presidential campaigns were approached for comment on the topic, but no others responded before the paper went to press.

Serving as a stark contrast to the Clinton event was Richardson’s campaign stop at Grinnell College the night before. Richardson’s appearance was designed as an opportunity for voters to interact with the candidate, and not the media event that Clinton held in Newton. In lower-profile events like Richardson’s (and most of Clinton’s) candidates face many challenging, presumably spontaneous questions.

Scarlet and Black | Grinnell College Newspaper

Reba · 11-20-2007, 07:03 PM

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GRINNELL, Iowa (CNN) -- The college student who was told what question to ask at one of New York Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign events said "voters have the right to know what happened" and she wasn't the only one who was planted.

Student Muriel Gallo-Chasanoff said a staffer told her what to ask at a campaign event for Sen. Hillary Clinton.

In an exclusive on-camera interview with CNN, Muriel Gallo-Chasanoff, a 19-year-old sophomore at Grinnell College in Grinnell, Iowa, said giving anyone specific questions to ask is "dishonest," and the whole incident has given her a negative outlook on politics.

Gallo-Chasanoff, whose story was first reported in the campus newspaper, said what happened was simple: She said a senior Clinton staffer asked if she'd like to ask the senator a question after an energy speech the Democratic presidential hopeful gave in Newton, Iowa, on November 6.

"I sort of thought about it, and I said 'Yeah, can I ask how her energy plan compares to the other candidates' energy plans?'" Gallo-Chasanoff said Monday night.

According to Gallo-Chasanoff, the staffer said, " 'I don't think that's a good idea, because I don't know how familiar she is with their plans.' "

He then opened a binder to a page that, according to Gallo-Chasanoff, had about eight questions on it.

"The top one was planned specifically for a college student," she added. "It said 'college student' in brackets and then the question."

Topping that sheet of paper was the following: "As a young person, I'm worried about the long-term effects of global warming. How does your plan combat climate change?"

And while she said she would have rather used her own question, Gallo-Chasanoff said she didn't have a problem asking the campaign's because she "likes to be agreeable," adding that since she told the staffer she'd ask their pre-typed question she "didn't want to go back on my word."

Clinton campaign spokesman Mo Elleithee said, "This is not acceptable campaign process moving forward. We've taken steps to ensure that it never happens again." Elleithee said Clinton had "no idea who she was calling on."

Gallo-Chasanoff wasn't so sure.

"I don't know whether Hillary knew what my question was going to be, but it seemed like she knew to call on me because there were so many people, and ... I was the only college student in that area," she said.

In a separate statement in response to the campus article, the campaign said, "On this occasion a member of our staff did discuss a possible question about Sen. Clinton's energy plan at a forum. ... This is not standard policy and will not be repeated again."

Gallo-Chasanoff said she wasn't the only person given a question.

"After the event," she said, "I heard another man ... talking about the question he asked, and he said that the campaign had asked him to ask that question."

The man she referenced prefaced his question by saying that it probably didn't have anything to do with energy, and then posed the following: "I wonder what you propose to do to create jobs for the middle-class person, such as here in Newton where we lost Maytag."

A Maytag factory in Newton recently closed, forcing hundreds of people out of their jobs.

During the course of the late-night interview on Grinnell's campus, Gallo-Chasanoff also said that the day before the school's newspaper, Scarlet and Black, printed the story, she wanted the reporter to inform the campaign out of courtesy to let them know it would be published.

She said the "head of publicity for the campaign," a man whose name she could not recall, had no factual disputes with the story. But, she added, a Clinton intern spoke to her to say the campaign requested she not talk about the story to any more media outlets and that if she did she should inform a staffer.

"I'm not under any real obligation to do that, and I haven't talked to [the campaign] anymore," Gallo-Chasanoff said, adding that she doesn't plan to.

"If what I do is come and just be totally truthful, then that's all anyone can ask of me, and that's all I can ask of myself. So I'll feel good with what I've done. I'll feel like I've done the right thing."

The Clinton campaign's acknowledgment that it planted a question reinforces a widely held criticism of the senator -- that she is not entirely honest, said Bill Schneider, CNN's senior political analyst.

"It's the same criticism often made of her husband," Schneider said. "Most Americans never felt Bill Clinton was honest and trustworthy, even when he got elected in 1992 -- with only 43 percent of the vote. His critics called him 'Slick Willy.' ... Will her critics start referring to the New York senator as 'Slick Hillary?' "

Asked if this experience makes her less likely to support Clinton's presidential bid, Gallo-Chasanoff, an undecided voter, said, "I think she has a lot to offer, but I -- this experience makes me look at her campaign a little bit differently."

"The question and answer sessions -- especially in Iowa -- are really important. That's where the voters get to ... have like a real genuine conversation with this politician who could be representing them."

While she acknowledged "it's possible that all campaigns do these kind of tactics," she said that doesn't make it right.

"Personally I want to know that I have someone who's honest representing me."

A second person has a story similar to Gallo-Chasanoff's. Geoffrey Mitchell of Hamilton, Illinois, on the Iowa border, said the Clinton campaign wanted him to ask a certain question at an Iowa event in April.

"He asked me if I would ask Sen. Clinton about ways she was going to confront the president on the war in Iraq, specifically war funding," said Geoffrey Mitchell, a supporter of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois. "I told him it was not a question I felt comfortable with."

No questions were taken at the event. Elleithee said this incident was different from what happened with Gallo-Chasanoff in Newton. Elleithee said the staffer "bumped into someone he marginally knew" and during a conversation with Mitchell, "Iraq came up." Elleithee denied the campaign tried to plant him as a friendly questioner in the audience.

Mitchell said he had never met the staffer before the event.

Former presidential adviser David Gergen said the front-runner's campaign could take a hit from the incident.

"When a campaign plants a question, it's a pretty minor infraction of the rules -- like a parking ticket," Gergen said. "The problem here is it feeds a damaging perception of Hillary Clinton that she can't quite be trusted."

Student describes how she became a Clinton plant - CNN.com

Chase · 11-20-2007, 07:17 PM

That's Hillaryous!

fredfam1 · 11-20-2007, 08:36 PM

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That's Hillaryous!

I bet you was just waitin to use that one!

Liebling:-))) · 11-21-2007, 08:42 AM

I consider Hillary as a strong independant and qualified woman. I know Hillary would be a great president.

Tousi · 11-21-2007, 08:50 AM

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I consider Hillary as a strong independant and qualified woman. I know Hillary would be a great president.

I disagree. Are you sure you aren't a saboteur from outside? LOL!!!

Reba · 11-21-2007, 10:25 AM

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I consider Hillary as a strong independant and qualified woman. I know Hillary would be a great president.

Independent? If it weren't for Bill, Hillary would be a mousy little lawyer back in Arkansas.

Strong? I've heard she is very bossy and mean, a Donna Corleone.

Qualified? Well, let's see; she meets the age and citizenship qualifications, yes.

Defmusicman · 11-26-2007, 10:41 PM

I have no problem with a woman or a man of color becoming President of my beloved country , the USA. But Hillary?? If she becomes President, the country will go to hell in a handbasket. God help us all.

I also wonder......if Hillary is elected President, will she wear a suit? Will Bill wear a dress and be the First Lady? Poor Bill...

Bebonang · 12-01-2007, 11:09 PM

I am not much of a political person, but I hope Hillary Clinton will become the first woman to be the President of the United States. If I move to United States I will vote who is the best person for the job to be the leader of the United States as President. But I am keeping my finger cross that hope that Hillary Clinton can handle the job as President. It is not a easy job to be the leader. We will have to see when the November 2008 will come around for the count of who is the next President after George Bush the 2nd.

Reba · 12-02-2007, 07:49 AM

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I am not much of a political person, but I hope Hillary Clinton will become the first woman to be the President of the United States....

Why?

Tousi · 12-02-2007, 02:27 PM

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I am not much of a political person, but I hope Hillary Clinton will become the first woman to be the President of the United States. If I move to United States I will vote who is the best person for the job to be the leader of the United States as President. But I am keeping my finger cross that hope that Hillary Clinton can handle the job as President. It is not a easy job to be the leader. We will have to see when the November 2008 will come around for the count of who is the next President after George Bush the 2nd.

Please wait until the day after the election before you move here.

Reba · 12-02-2007, 03:02 PM

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Please wait until the day after the election before you move here.

No need to worry; it takes a few years after moving here to become a citizen.

Deafilmedia · 12-02-2007, 11:57 PM

Don't worry Reba...

Astrology predicts that Hillary won't win President.

Sun conjunct Mercury, with Virgo on 2nd (money) house cusp and Gemini on 11th (friends) house cusp... She'll have plenty of endorsements from friends and all.

But Sun square Saturn and Uranus, with Capricorn (President) on 6th (work) house cusp and Aquarius on 7th (Vice President) house cusp....

Square means no... She won't be President.

Reba · 12-03-2007, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Deafilmedia

Don't worry Reba...

Astrology predicts that Hillary won't win President....

I'm not worried about the election but it's not because of astrology.

I know Who controls the future, so I don't worry.

PowerON · 12-03-2007, 10:59 AM

Hillary sucks. That's enough to say.

jazzy · 12-03-2007, 09:03 PM

Go Hilary, Go Hilary.

Reba · 12-03-2007, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzy

Go Hilary, Go Hilary.

Yeah. Go far away.

jazzy · 12-03-2007, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Yeah. Go far away.

Nah, I will vote for her and expect her to win next year election.

11-21-2007, 08:42 AM	#347 (permalink)
Liebling:-))) Sussi 7.7.86 - 18.6.09 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 30,971	I consider Hillary as a strong independant and qualified woman. I know Hillary would be a great president. __________________

12-02-2007, 11:57 PM	#355 (permalink)
Deafilmedia Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,579	Don't worry Reba... Astrology predicts that Hillary won't win President. Sun conjunct Mercury, with Virgo on 2nd (money) house cusp and Gemini on 11th (friends) house cusp... She'll have plenty of endorsements from friends and all. But Sun square Saturn and Uranus, with Capricorn (President) on 6th (work) house cusp and Aquarius on 7th (Vice President) house cusp.... Square means no... She won't be President. __________________

12-03-2007, 10:59 AM	#357 (permalink)
PowerON Click me 12 time Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Suddenly, I'm cowboy. Posts: 6,863 Blog Entries: 4	Hillary sucks. That's enough to say. __________________ • [Illustrator.Blog-alloon.com] • Don't shoot me! I'm only blogger!

12-03-2007, 09:03 PM	#358 (permalink)
jazzy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: High desert in Calif Posts: 3,599	Go Hilary, Go Hilary. __________________

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Defmusicman defmusicman Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Deep South Posts: 338	I have no problem with a woman or a man of color becoming President of my beloved country , the USA. But Hillary?? If she becomes President, the country will go to hell in a handbasket. God help us all. I also wonder......if Hillary is elected President, will she wear a suit? Will Bill wear a dress and be the First Lady? Poor Bill...

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Bebonang "Deaf Cree Militant" Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Manitoulin Island on Lake Huron in Canada Posts: 2,877	I am not much of a political person, but I hope Hillary Clinton will become the first woman to be the President of the United States. If I move to United States I will vote who is the best person for the job to be the leader of the United States as President. But I am keeping my finger cross that hope that Hillary Clinton can handle the job as President. It is not a easy job to be the leader. We will have to see when the November 2008 will come around for the count of who is the next President after George Bush the 2nd.