Aftermath of Hurricane Katrina - Page 4

**Reba** · 09-03-2005, 04:31 PM

The area destroyed by the hurricane is HUGE. At least 90,000 square miles are under federal disaster declaration. That is almost the size of the entire United Kingdom (93,788 square miles). Can you imagine the impact if all of England (including Scotland, Ireland, and Wales) was destroyed? That is how big the area is.

C.C.Sinned · 09-03-2005, 04:59 PM

Ok...first things FIRST! STOP POINTING ****IN FINGERS!!!! I keep reading all these emails and posts about how the Bush administration has failed in regard to Katrina..... WHAT??? Bush failed??? WTF? (OK, I'm about to offend the shit out of some people so if you can't handle the TRUTH, STOP READING NOW!!!!) Why is no one stating the absolute truth about what really happened down there? First... EVERYONE was told to GET THE **** OUT!!! EVEN if you have no where to go..JUST GET OUT!!! Why do I keep hearing about people getting rescued who say (in shitty english I might add) "We wuz thinkin weze could ride dis one heya out....we'ze wuz wrong". And you know that a shitload of those lower class people stayed behind because they ABSOLUTELY planned on looting after Katrina passed. Not all, but some.

90% of the responsibility here falls on the LOCAL government. How come the local government wasnt prepared for this? Why didnt the local government use school busses and city busses to evacuate those who couldn't afford or were too old or sick to get out on their own. (Interesting fact... someone counted and there are 210 school buses under water). Why did the mayor not call on the 10,000 guard members THE NEXT DAY???? I'll tell you why. There is no leadership down there. The first line of defense in a situation like this is local, then state, THEN FEDERAL!

Oh and how about all those New Orleans cops that handed in their badges and quit? How come thats not being reported? Why are idiots shooting at rescue helicopters and boats??? Why are stupid black women throwing away MRE's? (Meals Ready to Eat) And yes, that DID happen. So your poor ass who didn't evacuate is too ****ing good for the food that our troops live on over in Iraq? And yeah, Ive eaten those before when I was in the Air Force, they are not that bad. So this ignorant bitch is crying how she hasn't eaten in days, and when they hand her an MRE, she THROWS IT AWAY!?!?!?!? If I was there, I would've told the bitch she can starve for all I care.

Ok..next.. why are minorities looting shoe's and jewelry and dvd's? Food I can understand, but come on...lets call a spade a spade! If you're caught looting for anything else than food, you should be shot. Point blank. In the head. And...if you shoot at a rescue vehicle, you should be tortured, then shot....and no, I'm not joking.

This is how it works people. When a disaster like this occurs, local government is supposed to act. They had no plan. They had 40 years to plan for this and they did nothing. No Levy improvements, no evacuation plan, and the superdome was their only ****ing shelter? Thats it??? And why was the Mayor on the news CURSING about busses when there are 210 of them underwater that THEY had control of? Hmmm I guess hindsight is 20/20 huh? If your City is BELOW sea level and and you are that close to a river, lake, and the Gulf, dontchya think you might kinda wanna have some kind of plan in place for something that is bound to happen? This is not Bush's fault. Next after local government, comes the state. They are the next level of response for this type of catastrophe. Where were they? What did they do? What was there plan? (wow, thats alot of questions with no answers) Ok, last....Federal...thats where Bush steps in. Bush steps in and shit starts to get done. IT SHOULD HAVE been started already before Bush got there. If the local government was anything like Rudy Guliani (who will be our next president by the way) this would be a completely different situation then what we have now.

Ok.... let's just look at this:
1. Local Gov't should have evacuated everyone they could (didn't happen)
2. Katrina hits
3. Local Gov't calls for support from national guard (which didn't happen)
4. State asks local Gov't what they need (didn't happen)
5. Federal Gov't steps in and ASSISTS and sends relief money (happened)
see my point?

People, if you're going to point fingers, point them south where the blame really lies. The LOCAL government is at fault here. THEY HAD NO PLAN. With that being said, I really hope people get their shit together down there and I wish them the best. Now...Im going to make a prediction here. That entire local government is going to be replaced and you probably wont hear too much about it when it happens. Why? Because the media loves to bash Bush. Seriously....if you are going to watch the news, watch Fox news. They are the only bi-partisan news channel on tv.

**sequoias** · 09-03-2005, 05:12 PM

That is a great POINT! The local govt should have done something because they needed a evacutation plan and they have done NOTHING and let the feds take care of it, like they're BABIES.

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Originally Posted by C.C.Sinned

Ok...first things FIRST! STOP POINTING ****IN FINGERS!!!! I keep reading all these emails and posts about how the Bush administration has failed in regard to Katrina..... WHAT??? Bush failed??? WTF? (OK, I'm about to offend the shit out of some people so if you can't handle the TRUTH, STOP READING NOW!!!!) Why is no one stating the absolute truth about what really happened down there? First... EVERYONE was told to GET THE **** OUT!!! EVEN if you have no where to go..JUST GET OUT!!! Why do I keep hearing about people getting rescued who say (in shitty english I might add) "We wuz thinkin weze could ride dis one heya out....we'ze wuz wrong". And you know that a shitload of those lower class people stayed behind because they ABSOLUTELY planned on looting after Katrina passed. Not all, but some.

90% of the responsibility here falls on the LOCAL government. How come the local government wasnt prepared for this? Why didnt the local government use school busses and city busses to evacuate those who couldn't afford or were too old or sick to get out on their own. (Interesting fact... someone counted and there are 210 school buses under water). Why did the mayor not call on the 10,000 guard members THE NEXT DAY???? I'll tell you why. There is no leadership down there. The first line of defense in a situation like this is local, then state, THEN FEDERAL!

Oh and how about all those New Orleans cops that handed in their badges and quit? How come thats not being reported? Why are idiots shooting at rescue helicopters and boats??? Why are stupid black women throwing away MRE's? (Meals Ready to Eat) And yes, that DID happen. So your poor ass who didn't evacuate is too ****ing good for the food that our troops live on over in Iraq? And yeah, Ive eaten those before when I was in the Air Force, they are not that bad. So this ignorant bitch is crying how she hasn't eaten in days, and when they hand her an MRE, she THROWS IT AWAY!?!?!?!? If I was there, I would've told the bitch she can starve for all I care.

Ok..next.. why are minorities looting shoe's and jewelry and dvd's? Food I can understand, but come on...lets call a spade a spade! If you're caught looting for anything else than food, you should be shot. Point blank. In the head. And...if you shoot at a rescue vehicle, you should be tortured, then shot....and no, I'm not joking.

This is how it works people. When a disaster like this occurs, local government is supposed to act. They had no plan. They had 40 years to plan for this and they did nothing. No Levy improvements, no evacuation plan, and the superdome was their only ****ing shelter? Thats it??? And why was the Mayor on the news CURSING about busses when there are 210 of them underwater that THEY had control of? Hmmm I guess hindsight is 20/20 huh? If your City is BELOW sea level and and you are that close to a river, lake, and the Gulf, dontchya think you might kinda wanna have some kind of plan in place for something that is bound to happen? This is not Bush's fault. Next after local government, comes the state. They are the next level of response for this type of catastrophe. Where were they? What did they do? What was there plan? (wow, thats alot of questions with no answers) Ok, last....Federal...thats where Bush steps in. Bush steps in and shit starts to get done. IT SHOULD HAVE been started already before Bush got there. If the local government was anything like Rudy Guliani (who will be our next president by the way) this would be a completely different situation then what we have now.

Ok.... let's just look at this:
1. Local Gov't should have evacuated everyone they could (didn't happen)
2. Katrina hits
3. Local Gov't calls for support from national guard (which didn't happen)
4. State asks local Gov't what they need (didn't happen)
5. Federal Gov't steps in and ASSISTS and sends relief money (happened)
see my point?

People, if you're going to point fingers, point them south where the blame really lies. The LOCAL government is at fault here. THEY HAD NO PLAN. With that being said, I really hope people get their shit together down there and I wish them the best. Now...Im going to make a prediction here. That entire local government is going to be replaced and you probably wont hear too much about it when it happens. Why? Because the media loves to bash Bush. Seriously....if you are going to watch the news, watch Fox news. They are the only bi-partisan news channel on tv.

Vance · 09-03-2005, 05:33 PM

I have my own opinion of this mess but I will not share mine until the crisis of aftermath is over. I'm not entirely interested in politicize this tragedy.

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Originally Posted by C.C.Sinned

Seriously....if you are going to watch the news, watch Fox news. They are the only bi-partisan news channel on tv.

As you may or may not aware that I do have high respect for you but Fox news as bi-partisan? I disagree. No, they are not. They are MORE partisan than any TV news on this earth in human history. They constantly bashed the liberals while kissed conservatives' asses. I don't know how they can be "bi-partisan". I personally would suggest anyone to not watch ANY TV news at all but again, it is entirely up to them to watch any TV news.

Before I say anything, I want to anyone to note that I hate CNN with pure hatred. However Anderson Cooper on CNN is pretty good. He bashed many politicans, local, state, federals (both democrats and republicans) about Katrina & New Orleans. Now that is bi-partisan. Althought it is extremely rare to see any bi-partisan action on TV news.

Ok, I'm done and I want to show the pictures (before and after). It looks pretty bad:

Vance · 09-03-2005, 06:07 PM

As I stated in my previous post that I refrain my opinions (or facts that I had been bookmarking) from this topic but I want to post this statement:

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Most of you probably haven't noticed, but the SA servers finally had their plug pulled Thursday afternoon despite the heroic efforts of the people at DirectNIC. While I appreciate what they did for us, their devotion to some websites seems a little misguided in the midst of what is happening. That "what" is hell on earth in the greater New Orleans area.

Rich, myself, Livestock, and probably some of the other writers have been watching the hurricane aftermath with nothing short of dumb shock. There is a disaster going on right now and it is manmade. The disaster is three strangers in Mississippi, together because they're all that's left and alone in a town without buildings, drinking floodwater polluted by corpses, shit and gasoline. The disaster is a woman wading through waist deep streets holding her daughter and wondering why the trucks won't stop to get her out of the city. The disaster is ICU patients dying one after another because diesel didn't flow and order couldn't be kept. It's an uninterrupted chain of personal disasters. It's inept triage on a national scale.

It's unbelievable that this is America. It's hard to comprehend that these repeating images of herds of people without food or water or medical treatment after nearly a week are happening on our soil. They're our fellow citizens and while the politicians, directors, planners and generals congratulate each other at press conferences they are suffering and dying.

I have seen some efforts in the media to pressure officials to accept responsibility. None have, because in public office the buck stops nowhere. The only person I have really seen come close to capturing the raw fury of the people trapped in New Orleans or forgotten in Mississippi and Alabama is CNN's Anderson Cooper. He confronted Democratic Senator Mary Landrieu on live TV, chiding her with a voice cracking with emotion that he couldn't believe the politicians were patting each other on the back over a job well done when he just saw rats eating a woman's body in the street of Biloxi.

On the Internet I've seen people blatantly placing blame on Bush, FEMA, Congress, the National Guard, and even Homeland Security. Who is responsible? Who should be blamed? All of them. This is a colossal failure of our government to care for and protect its citizenry on every conceivable level.

The heroes are the men and women on the scene doing their utmost to help those in need. Coast Guard rescue workers plucking people to safety and Red Cross workers feeding people from emergency kitchens are heroes. The man who commandeered a bus and got people out of New Orleans when the government was woefully impotent is a hero. The woman who smashed the glass on a convenience store to loot bottled water for fifteen kids who should have been absolutely inundated with supplies by then is a hero. The doctors and nurses hand-bagging ventilator patients 24 hours a day in dark hospitals are heroes.

In the ineloquent but true words of the Mayor of New Orleans: "Don't tell me 40,000 people are coming here. They're not here. It's too doggone late. Now get off your asses and do something, and let's fix the biggest goddamn crisis in the history of this country." CNN was better prepared to deal with this disaster than FEMA was.

I am ashamed of my country's government in a universal way right now. Republicans, democrats, opportunists, it doesn't matter; they're all guilty in this situation. In a magical world where justice is actually served most of these people would not have jobs in a month or two. Instead the people without jobs will be the millions who have lost everything and found their government with its back turned. Remember that people are still dying because of this incompetence. Remember that when each and every one of these fools appears on TV for a photo op or complains about "placing blame later," because placing blame now is the only hope America has to change the situation.

Chuck Norris wouldn't allow this bullshit to happen.

Source: http://www.somethingawful.com

My friends & rivals, that does represent my feelings exactly. Note: It is not opinion or facts. It is just a pure feeling. I hope it is non-spinnable enough for everyone in this topic. If anyone cannot stand or tolerate expressing my feeling about this situation, I'd tell anyone where to stuff and suck them up.

Okay, I'm out for some small family reunion to discuss about wedding. See you tomorrow or whenever. Later.

Eve · 09-03-2005, 06:18 PM

AMEN! to CCSinned. And, Magatsu, thanks for the lovely pics, here is one that offers as my suggestion on how the local NewOrleans government could be helping out http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...lpc21109012015

Lantana · 09-03-2005, 06:37 PM

Wonderful pictures! Thank you.

diehardbiker · 09-03-2005, 06:47 PM

Hey, see? CCSinned got the point across loud and clear! I hate those people who blamed on presidents of the United States of America! They are just bunch of idiots expecting ONE person take care of EVERYTHING and ALL! That is BEYOND whats really impossible! United States Gov't let each local branch of government deal with their local issues.
IMHO, any idiots would want to live way below sea level and be close to the river and Ocean, and expects NOTHING to happens? Whats wrong with these idiots? I would NEVER want to live in the south! Hurricane, too destructive and devasating than just cute blizzard that I really enjoy from time to time. They don't have that magitude of destructive power like Hurricane do.
I also think that bowl of Orleans should be filled with dirt and have serious plan for future Hurricane.

Let me remind you, what concerns me is that in New York City, they have NOT had any earthquake for the past 200 years. That NYC is really on fault line! That Fault line is waiting to go off anytime. How can NYC handle this disaster if the magnitude hits 3.0 or higher on richter scale? Believe me, only 3% of the building and structure is capable of holding from 3.0 to 10.0! Image, only three exits from NYC area after the quake hits. How can 13 million people escape? Are you going to blame on that president at that time when this shit happens? Why only 3 exits available? Remember when earthquakes hits, Most, or all of the bridges and tunnels will be collapsed. Scary, eh? What did NYC do about it? NOTHING! Whose fault is it?

09-03-2005, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Eve

These TEXANS are saving the day and you'd better pray that these cowboys come to your aid, should you ever need it.

Utah has joined the effort.
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=282&sid=101917

On the TV, they are showing the arrivals right now.

C.C.Sinned · 09-03-2005, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kuifje75

Utah has joined the effort.
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=282&sid=101917

On the TV, they are showing the arrivals right now.

Awesome that is what should be happening. Americans coming together to help each other. The United Sated should be UNITED in helping fellow Americans.

GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!

RosesNY · 09-03-2005, 09:10 PM

My mom told me that my brother maybe go to new orleans to help the people and some people is out of the contral so need more military police corps to help them. I am a little worry about my brother go there . I hope he will be all right out of there if he go there.

**Kalista** · 09-03-2005, 09:28 PM

Quite frankly I'm disgusted by it. It took us more time to respond to this than it did to respond to the tsunamis. I realize that the magnitude isn't as great as the tsunami's but this is our country. We should be taking care of our people first. It took our president a whole tour through the devastated areas to sign a damn piece of paper to give a few billion dollars to start the effort. I would have signed that bill as the storm was hitting. I heard about nurses stuck in hospitals who resorted to IVing themselves to keep hydrated so they can take care of other patients. People have to pretty much swim through filthy water for 4 days. The response of the American people is impressive. We are extremely charitable as people but it isn't enough. Over 60 countries have offered their services to us. Even Fidel Castro himself has offered services from Cuba to send medicine and doctors to the worst parts of the disaster... A country that we've cut off trade from for decades is reaching out to us, yet our government takes 4 days to take care of our people. Those assholes up in Washington DC need to remember that they are NOT America, they SERVE America.

Here's some more on what Cuba is giving.

Cuba's President Fidel Castro attends a live television program in Havana September 2, 2005. Castro spoke about Hurricane Katrina, which devastated New Orleans and other parts of the U.S. Gulf Coast, killing hundreds and possibly thousands of people. Castro has offered to send 1,100 doctors and more than 25 tonnes of medicine and equipment to the devastated area in the next 48 hours, saying 'many countries are offering money, we are offering to save lives.' REUTERS/Courtesy AIN/Handout

DeafSCUBA98 · 09-04-2005, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardbiker65

Hey, see? CCSinned got the point across loud and clear! I hate those people who blamed on presidents of the United States of America! They are just bunch of idiots expecting ONE person take care of EVERYTHING and ALL! That is BEYOND whats really impossible! United States Gov't let each local branch of government deal with their local issues.
IMHO, any idiots would want to live way below sea level and be close to the river and Ocean, and expects NOTHING to happens? Whats wrong with these idiots? I would NEVER want to live in the south! Hurricane, too destructive and devasating than just cute blizzard that I really enjoy from time to time. They don't have that magitude of destructive power like Hurricane do.
I also think that bowl of Orleans should be filled with dirt and have serious plan for future Hurricane.

Let me remind you, what concerns me is that in New York City, they have NOT had any earthquake for the past 200 years. That NYC is really on fault line! That Fault line is waiting to go off anytime. How can NYC handle this disaster if the magnitude hits 3.0 or higher on richter scale? Believe me, only 3% of the building and structure is capable of holding from 3.0 to 10.0! Image, only three exits from NYC area after the quake hits. How can 13 million people escape? Are you going to blame on that president at that time when this shit happens? Why only 3 exits available? Remember when earthquakes hits, Most, or all of the bridges and tunnels will be collapsed. Scary, eh? What did NYC do about it? NOTHING! Whose fault is it?

great point taken..

also if SF, Ca had another major earthquake or couple more.. SF will be totally gone forever in the ocean. and i doubt they're planning on this.

have you seen a movie "the day after tomorrow" where governments, presidents, and world presidents, prime minster, etc..etc.. don't believe it will happen and didn't even care to plan and it happen.

i believe the same thing will happen to san fransico any time, japan going underwater, alaska small islands are raising, long island, NY are burying into ocean, and the list goes on.

**Kalista** · 09-05-2005, 08:41 AM

I got this email a friend of mine. Oh my gosh.. That is horrible... Hopefully, the clean up and helped with people immediately. Some people who have demanded with medication for their healthy. They died each days because no one come and help with them.

look at this:

http://www.weather.com/newscenter/sl...katrinala.html

Steel X · 09-05-2005, 04:36 PM

Bungie, creators of "Halo" plans to help out in New Orleans, as well...

http://xbox.ign.com/articles/647/647635p1.html

Steel X · 09-05-2005, 04:38 PM

gotta love this t-shirt.

Eve · 09-06-2005, 10:18 AM

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It took us more time to respond to this than it did to respond to the tsunamis.

That’s because the entire world helped out with the aftermath of the tsunami immediately, while the U.S. seems to be carrying the brunt of hurricane Katrina alone thus far. I am sure we will be extremely thankful for the assistance of other nations when it arrives.

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It took our president a whole tour through the devastated areas to sign a damn piece of paper to give a few billion dollars to start the effort.

Our president took the time and effort to see how much devastation was there. He is out there rolling up his sleeves and getting things done, but you expect there to be an organized effort overnight, it ain’t gonna happen.

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Those assholes up in Washington DC need to remember that they are NOT America, they SERVE America.

These “assholes” are the ones that WE elected to represent us, and I say they are doing a fine job in our time of trial.
What happened is tragic, but as CCSinned said, much of it could have been prevented by the local government, not federal.

Eve · 09-06-2005, 11:01 AM

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...4/124905.shtml

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Though her state has been devastated by Hurricane Katrina and thousands are believed dead in New Orleans, Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco has refused to allow the federal government to take control of evacuation efforts.

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The Louisiana Democrat had also failed to use more than a hundred school buses parked near the Superdome to transport stranded citizens who didn't have the means to obey earlier evacuation orders.

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State and federal officials also told the Post that Gov. Blanco did not reach out to a multi-state mutual aid compact for assistance until Wednesday - more than 24 hours after New Orleans descended into chaos.

sablescort · 09-06-2005, 11:03 AM

TELL this to the people of NO and the Gulf Coast what the President DID when Katrina hit the coast on Monday. WHERE was HE last Monday even though he had knowledge that it was going to be a Cat 4-5 hurricane and the local officals have been working their asses and doing their JOBS to get the people out of the area. The Governor of LA, Kathleen Babineaux Blanco DECLARED a State-of-Emergency for LA on the 26th CONTRARY to what the Bushit Administration and FEMA had stated:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...090301680.html

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Louisiana did not reach out to a multi-state mutual aid compact for assistance until Wednesday, three state and federal officials said. As of Saturday, Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency, the senior Bush official said.

http://gov.louisiana.gov/Press_Relea...ail.asp?id=973

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Aug 26, 2005 5:00 PM CT
GOVERNOR BLANCO DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY

BATON ROUGE, LA--Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco today issued Proclamation No. 48 KBB 2005, declaring a state of emergency for the state Louisiana as Hurricane Katrina poses an imminent threat, carrying severe storms, high winds, and torrential rain that may cause flooding and damage to private property and public facilities, and threaten the safety and security of the citizens of the state of Louisiana The state of emergency extends from Friday, August 26, 2005, through Sunday, September 25, 2005, unless terminated sooner.

The full text of Proclamation No. 48 KBB 2005 is as follows:

WHEREAS, the Louisiana Homeland Security and Emergency Assistance and Disaster Act, R.S. 29 21, et seq., confers upon the governor of the state of Louisiana emergency powers to deal with emergencies and disasters, including those caused by fire, flood, earthquake or other natural or man-made causes, in order to ensure that preparations of this state will be adequate to deal with such emergencies or disasters and to preserve the lives and property of the citizens of the state of Louisiana;

WHEREAS, when the governor finds a disaster or emergency has occurred, or the threat thereof is imminent, R.S. 29 24(B)(1) empowers her to declare the state of disaster or emergency by executive order or proclamation, or both; and

WHEREAS, On August 26, 2005, Hurricane Katrina poses an imminent threat to the state of Louisiana, carrying severe storms, high winds, and torrential rain that may cause flooding and damage to private property and public facilities, and threaten the safety and security of the citizens of Louisiana;

NOW THEREFORE I, KATHLEEN BABINEAUX BLANCO,
Governor of the state of Louisiana, by virtue of the authority vested by the Constitution and laws of the state of Louisiana, do hereby order and direct as follows:

SECTION 1: Pursuant to the Louisiana Homeland Security and Emergency Assistance and Disaster Act, R.S. 29 21, et seq., a state of emergency is declared to exist in the state of Louisiana as Hurricane Katrina poses an imminent threat, carrying severe storms, high winds, and torrential rain that may cause flooding and damage to private property and public facilities, and threaten the safety and security of the citizens of the state of Louisiana;

SECTION 2: The state of Louisiana's emergency response and recovery program is activated under the command of the director of the state office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness to prepare for and provide emergency support services and/or to minimize the effects of the storm's damage.

SECTION 3: The state of emergency extends from Friday, August 26, 2005, through Sunday, September 25, 2005, unless terminated sooner.

Last Monday even with the knowledge that Katrina would make landfall on Monday, he had time to have cake with Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) while people in the Gulf Coast were trying to survive the storm.

Where WAS George last Tuesday when New Orleans was flooding?

Strumming on the guitar while New Orleans is DROWNING, my ass! Dumbya has PROVED to be an INCOMPENTENT leader! Reminds me of when Rome was burning, Emperor Nero was playing the fiddle!

sablescort · 09-06-2005, 11:06 AM

self-delete dupe post sorry!

BabyAngel · 09-06-2005, 11:09 AM

I got an email from someone that there were 11 deaf people got killed in Hurricane Katrina, I dont know if its true or not...anyone got that email?

Eve · 09-06-2005, 11:14 AM

and you have proved to be a complete imbecile!

as you can see from my previous post, Kathleen Babineaux Blanco has not only refused help, but FAILED to provide assistance when necessary. you are pointing the blame in the WRONG direction.

Where was the state's evacuation plan???

Who was responsible for maintenance of the levees?

Eve · 09-06-2005, 12:16 PM

Oh wait!!! Louisiana DID have an evacuation plan....too bad they chose not to employ it.

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Louisiana disaster plan, pg 13, para 5 , dated 01/00

'The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating'...

GalaxyAngel · 09-06-2005, 12:18 PM

SEE BUSH.. ain't help them for few days while on hurriance....

What he's doing... play play play... blah blah.. for his pleasure.. why can't he put on hold other activities... focus on Hurriance where spotted at area... Defenaitely(sp) He is neglect!

Eve · 09-06-2005, 12:33 PM

bullymom, the governor of lousiana wouldnt let anyone help.

sablescort · 09-06-2005, 12:48 PM

call me an imbecile? How nice and quaint of you!

The levees were the primary RESPONSIBILITY of the Army Corps of Engineers:

http://www.usace.army.mil/

Tell me Kathleen Blanco refused Help from the Feds?

http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Rel...ail.asp?id=976

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August 27, 2005

The President
The White House
Washington, D. C.

Through:
Regional Director
FEMA Region VI
800 North Loop 288
Denton, Texas 76209

Dear Mr. President:

Under the provisions of Section 501 (a) of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C. §§ 5121-5206 (Stafford Act), and implemented by 44 CFR § 206.35, I request that you declare an emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina for the time period beginning August 26, 2005, and continuing. The affected areas are all the southeastern parishes including the New Orleans Metropolitan area and the mid state Interstate I-49 corridor and northern parishes along the I-20 corridor that are accepting the thousands of citizens evacuating from the areas expecting to be flooded as a result of Hurricane Katrina.

In response to the situation I have taken appropriate action under State law and directed the execution of the State Emergency Plan on August 26, 2005 in accordance with Section 501 (a) of the Stafford Act. A State of Emergency has been issued for the State in order to support the evacuations of the coastal areas in accordance with our State Evacuation Plan and the remainder of the state to support the State Special Needs and Sheltering Plan.

Pursuant to 44 CFR § 206.35, I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster. I am specifically requesting emergency protective measures, direct Federal Assistance, Individual and Household Program (IHP) assistance, Special Needs Program assistance, and debris removal.
Preliminary estimates of the types and amount of emergency assistance needed under the Stafford Act, and emergency assistance from certain Federal agencies under other statutory authorities are tabulated in Enclosure A.

The following information is furnished on the nature and amount of State and local resources that have been or will be used to alleviate the conditions of this emergency:
• Department of Social Services (DSS): Opening (3) Special Need Shelters (SNS) and establishing (3) on Standby.
• Department of Health and Hospitals (DHH): Opening (3) Shelters and establishing (3) on Standby.
• Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness (OHSEP): Providing generators and support staff for SNS and Public Shelters.
• Louisiana State Police (LSP): Providing support for the phased evacuation of the coastal areas.
• Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries (WLF): Supporting the evacuation of the affected population and preparing for Search and Rescue Missions.

more at link....

And the buses? yes there were buses, but the amount of buses WOULD not be enough to get everyone OUT of NOLA. Remember most of them DON'T own a car and have no way to get out even with the interstates being jammed full of vehicles trying to get outa Dodge.

Keep spinning all you want, but it wont diminish the fact that many deaths would have been preventable in the AFTERMATH of Katrina. The President has the blood of over 10,000 citizens on his hands with the DELAY of the aid and the bungling of the FEMA. It will not wash off his hands like Lady MacBeth! Also his underlings, Chertoff and Brown totally ****ed up Katrina's aftermath.

Look at the PICTURES that has been taken on the days Katrina hit town and that is YOUR leader having cake while PEOPLE are dying from the storm! to quote the lovely Marie Antoinette: "Let them eat cake".

The Governor of LA and mayor of NO has been BUSTING their asses and BEGGING for federal help at the same time trying to evacuate everyone as much as they could. and what is the President doing? Instead of going to lend the states a hand, he flies off to AZ and CA for a couple of bullshit photo-ops.

**TweetyBird** · 09-06-2005, 12:55 PM

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I got an email from someone that there were 11 deaf people got killed in Hurricane Katrina, I dont know if its true or not...anyone got that email?

yea thats right but 17 deaf people now

Eve · 09-06-2005, 01:56 PM

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call me an imbecile? How nice and quaint of you!

don’t forget “accurate”

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Tell me Kathleen Blanco refused Help from the Feds?

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Though her state has been devastated by Hurricane Katrina and thousands are believed dead in New Orleans, Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco has refused to allow the federal government to take control of evacuation efforts.

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And the buses? yes there were buses, but the amount of buses WOULD not be enough to get everyone OUT of NOLA. Remember most of them DON'T own a car and have no way to get out even with the interstates being jammed full of vehicles trying to get outa Dodge.

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The Louisiana Democrat had also failed to use more than a hundred school buses parked near the Superdome to transport stranded citizens who didn't have the means to obey earlier evacuation orders.

hmmmm let’s think about this for a moment. 100 school buses…..approximately 45 people per bus….100x45=4,500. So I guess what you are saying is, if she couldn’t rescue ALL of them, she shouldn’t help rescue ANY?????

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State and federal officials also told the Post that Gov. Blanco did not reach out to a multi-state mutual aid compact for assistance until Wednesday - more than 24 hours after New Orleans descended into chaos.

You mean she could have gotten more than just her share of buses from other states???? With those numbers, she could have evacuated PRIOR to Katrina and then there wouldn’t be such a high fatality to be blaming on anyone else in the first place.

**Reba** · 09-06-2005, 02:17 PM

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...100 school buses…..approximately 45 people per bus….100x45=4,500.

It is also possible that each bus could have made at least two round trips, so that would equal 9,000 people.

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So I guess what you are saying is, if she couldn’t rescue ALL of them, she shouldn’t help rescue ANY?????

If all the people got the buses who could have, then the burden in the Super Dome would have been greatly reduced by those numbers. Then, there would have been more resources for those left behind.

**Reba** · 09-06-2005, 02:27 PM

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...no way to get out even with the interstates being jammed full of vehicles trying to get outa Dodge.

The interstates would not be as jammed if the two-way traffic was converted to one-way out sooner. The LA governor made the same mistake as Gov. Hodges did when South Carolinians evacuated for hurricane Floyd. He postponed converting the highways until too late. BTW, we did NOT re-elect Hodges after that debacle.

Efficient evacuation is key. Every since the Floyd snafu, our state has annual evacuation drills. Also, all evacuation routes are permanently and clearing marked. Prior to evacuations, extra porta-potties and supplies are set up at state rest stops, extra gas is brought in for the gas stations, and police are positioned at the exits with barricades to set up for changing the traffic patterns. Shelters are carefully selected for their location and safety, and well stocked with emergency supplies. There is even a shelter for pet owners and their animals (and staffed with a vet). The local governments set up a primary command post, and a secondary one in case the first one is destroyed.

I think the 50 governors need to get together at a conference and share their ideas and lessons learned.

It is called being PROACTIVE, not REACTIVE.

09-03-2005, 04:59 PM	#92 (permalink)
C.C.Sinned Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,476	Ok...first things FIRST! STOP POINTING **IN FINGERS!!!! I keep reading all these emails and posts about how the Bush administration has failed in regard to Katrina..... WHAT??? Bush failed??? WTF? (OK, I'm about to offend the shit out of some people so if you can't handle the TRUTH, STOP READING NOW!!!!) Why is no one stating the absolute truth about what really happened down there? First... EVERYONE was told to GET THE ** OUT!!! EVEN if you have no where to go..JUST GET OUT!!! Why do I keep hearing about people getting rescued who say (in shitty english I might add) "We wuz thinkin weze could ride dis one heya out....we'ze wuz wrong". And you know that a shitload of those lower class people stayed behind because they ABSOLUTELY planned on looting after Katrina passed. Not all, but some. 90% of the responsibility here falls on the LOCAL government. How come the local government wasnt prepared for this? Why didnt the local government use school busses and city busses to evacuate those who couldn't afford or were too old or sick to get out on their own. (Interesting fact... someone counted and there are 210 school buses under water). Why did the mayor not call on the 10,000 guard members THE NEXT DAY???? I'll tell you why. There is no leadership down there. The first line of defense in a situation like this is local, then state, THEN FEDERAL! Oh and how about all those New Orleans cops that handed in their badges and quit? How come thats not being reported? Why are idiots shooting at rescue helicopters and boats??? Why are stupid black women throwing away MRE's? (Meals Ready to Eat) And yes, that DID happen. So your poor ass who didn't evacuate is too **ing good for the food that our troops live on over in Iraq? And yeah, Ive eaten those before when I was in the Air Force, they are not that bad. So this ignorant bitch is crying how she hasn't eaten in days, and when they hand her an MRE, she THROWS IT AWAY!?!?!?!? If I was there, I would've told the bitch she can starve for all I care. Ok..next.. why are minorities looting shoe's and jewelry and dvd's? Food I can understand, but come on...lets call a spade a spade! If you're caught looting for anything else than food, you should be shot. Point blank. In the head. And...if you shoot at a rescue vehicle, you should be tortured, then shot....and no, I'm not joking. This is how it works people. When a disaster like this occurs, local government is supposed to act. They had no plan. They had 40 years to plan for this and they did nothing. No Levy improvements, no evacuation plan, and the superdome was their only **ing shelter? Thats it??? And why was the Mayor on the news CURSING about busses when there are 210 of them underwater that THEY had control of? Hmmm I guess hindsight is 20/20 huh? If your City is BELOW sea level and and you are that close to a river, lake, and the Gulf, dontchya think you might kinda wanna have some kind of plan in place for something that is bound to happen? This is not Bush's fault. Next after local government, comes the state. They are the next level of response for this type of catastrophe. Where were they? What did they do? What was there plan? (wow, thats alot of questions with no answers) Ok, last....Federal...thats where Bush steps in. Bush steps in and shit starts to get done. IT SHOULD HAVE been started already before Bush got there. If the local government was anything like Rudy Guliani (who will be our next president by the way) this would be a completely different situation then what we have now. Ok.... let's just look at this: 1. Local Gov't should have evacuated everyone they could (didn't happen) 2. Katrina hits 3. Local Gov't calls for support from national guard (which didn't happen) 4. State asks local Gov't what they need (didn't happen) 5. Federal Gov't steps in and ASSISTS and sends relief money (happened) see my point? People, if you're going to point fingers, point them south where the blame really lies. The LOCAL government is at fault here. THEY HAD NO PLAN. With that being said, I really hope people get their shit together down there and I wish them the best. Now...Im going to make a prediction here. That entire local government is going to be replaced and you probably wont hear too much about it when it happens. Why? Because the media loves to bash Bush. Seriously....if you are going to watch the news, watch Fox news. They are the only bi-partisan news channel on tv. __________________

09-03-2005, 06:37 PM	#97 (permalink)
Lantana Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oregon Coast/Washington Coast/Hawaii Posts: 400	Wonderful pictures! Thank you. __________________ "The best things in life are not things."

09-03-2005, 06:47 PM	#98 (permalink)
diehardbiker Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: In back of Superduty Posts: 11,285	Hey, see? CCSinned got the point across loud and clear! I hate those people who blamed on presidents of the United States of America! They are just bunch of idiots expecting ONE person take care of EVERYTHING and ALL! That is BEYOND whats really impossible! United States Gov't let each local branch of government deal with their local issues. IMHO, any idiots would want to live way below sea level and be close to the river and Ocean, and expects NOTHING to happens? Whats wrong with these idiots? I would NEVER want to live in the south! Hurricane, too destructive and devasating than just cute blizzard that I really enjoy from time to time. They don't have that magitude of destructive power like Hurricane do. I also think that bowl of Orleans should be filled with dirt and have serious plan for future Hurricane. Let me remind you, what concerns me is that in New York City, they have NOT had any earthquake for the past 200 years. That NYC is really on fault line! That Fault line is waiting to go off anytime. How can NYC handle this disaster if the magnitude hits 3.0 or higher on richter scale? Believe me, only 3% of the building and structure is capable of holding from 3.0 to 10.0! Image, only three exits from NYC area after the quake hits. How can 13 million people escape? Are you going to blame on that president at that time when this shit happens? Why only 3 exits available? Remember when earthquakes hits, Most, or all of the bridges and tunnels will be collapsed. Scary, eh? What did NYC do about it? NOTHING! Whose fault is it? __________________ J-MAC's quote: "People who try and fail are more superior than people who don't try at all" "If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as the souls who live under tyranny." Thomas Jefferson (1778) Avatar picture is Cape Hatteras light house in OBX.

09-06-2005, 12:18 PM	#114 (permalink)
GalaxyAngel Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Alberta,Canada Posts: 13,626	SEE BUSH.. ain't help them for few days while on hurriance.... What he's doing... play play play... blah blah.. for his pleasure.. why can't he put on hold other activities... focus on Hurriance where spotted at area... Defenaitely(sp) He is neglect! __________________ Parent's proud our children.

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09-03-2005, 04:31 PM	#91 (permalink)
Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,206	The area destroyed by the hurricane is HUGE. At least 90,000 square miles are under federal disaster declaration. That is almost the size of the entire United Kingdom (93,788 square miles). Can you imagine the impact if all of England (including Scotland, Ireland, and Wales) was destroyed? That is how big the area is.

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09-03-2005, 06:18 PM	#96 (permalink)
Eve Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Paradise Posts: 1,518	AMEN! to CCSinned. And, Magatsu, thanks for the lovely pics, here is one that offers as my suggestion on how the local NewOrleans government could be helping out http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...lpc21109012015

09-03-2005, 09:10 PM	#101 (permalink)
RosesNY Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 975	My mom told me that my brother maybe go to new orleans to help the people and some people is out of the contral so need more military police corps to help them. I am a little worry about my brother go there . I hope he will be all right out of there if he go there.

09-03-2005, 09:28 PM	#102 (permalink)
Kalista Premium Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 8,112	Quite frankly I'm disgusted by it. It took us more time to respond to this than it did to respond to the tsunamis. I realize that the magnitude isn't as great as the tsunami's but this is our country. We should be taking care of our people first. It took our president a whole tour through the devastated areas to sign a damn piece of paper to give a few billion dollars to start the effort. I would have signed that bill as the storm was hitting. I heard about nurses stuck in hospitals who resorted to IVing themselves to keep hydrated so they can take care of other patients. People have to pretty much swim through filthy water for 4 days. The response of the American people is impressive. We are extremely charitable as people but it isn't enough. Over 60 countries have offered their services to us. Even Fidel Castro himself has offered services from Cuba to send medicine and doctors to the worst parts of the disaster... A country that we've cut off trade from for decades is reaching out to us, yet our government takes 4 days to take care of our people. Those assholes up in Washington DC need to remember that they are NOT America, they SERVE America. Here's some more on what Cuba is giving. Cuba's President Fidel Castro attends a live television program in Havana September 2, 2005. Castro spoke about Hurricane Katrina, which devastated New Orleans and other parts of the U.S. Gulf Coast, killing hundreds and possibly thousands of people. Castro has offered to send 1,100 doctors and more than 25 tonnes of medicine and equipment to the devastated area in the next 48 hours, saying 'many countries are offering money, we are offering to save lives.' REUTERS/Courtesy AIN/Handout

09-05-2005, 08:41 AM	#104 (permalink)
Kalista Premium Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 8,112	I got this email a friend of mine. Oh my gosh.. That is horrible... Hopefully, the clean up and helped with people immediately. Some people who have demanded with medication for their healthy. They died each days because no one come and help with them. look at this: http://www.weather.com/newscenter/sl...katrinala.html

09-05-2005, 04:36 PM	#105 (permalink)
Steel X Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Carolinas/Rochester, NY. Posts: 13,824	Bungie, creators of "Halo" plans to help out in New Orleans, as well... http://xbox.ign.com/articles/647/647635p1.html

09-05-2005, 04:38 PM	#106 (permalink)
Steel X Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Carolinas/Rochester, NY. Posts: 13,824	gotta love this t-shirt.

09-06-2005, 11:06 AM	#110 (permalink)
sablescort Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Found my way back home to Knoxville...heh! Posts: 3,537	self-delete dupe post sorry!

09-06-2005, 11:09 AM	#111 (permalink)
BabyAngel Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Alabama Posts: 1,625	I got an email from someone that there were 11 deaf people got killed in Hurricane Katrina, I dont know if its true or not...anyone got that email?

09-06-2005, 11:14 AM	#112 (permalink)
Eve Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Paradise Posts: 1,518	and you have proved to be a complete imbecile! as you can see from my previous post, Kathleen Babineaux Blanco has not only refused help, but FAILED to provide assistance when necessary. you are pointing the blame in the WRONG direction. Where was the state's evacuation plan??? Who was responsible for maintenance of the levees?

09-06-2005, 12:33 PM	#115 (permalink)
Eve Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Paradise Posts: 1,518	bullymom, the governor of lousiana wouldnt let anyone help.