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Teacher arrested for statutory rape and sexual misconduct.
Folks, I want your opinion. This is a long posting thread so please bear with me. You will recognize the posts by Codger near the end. Did I go overboard? Was I wrong? What is wrong with these people, or I just not "with it"?
Bummin' posted 02-08-2005 07:56 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Did anyone hear about the teacher arrested in this Co. at her parents' house for 13 counts of sexual misconduct as an authority figure and 15 counts of statutory rape with more pending? I went to school with this girl. She was a big time basketball player. She is out on bail as of now. Of all the ways to get this County in the news.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASSASSIN posted 02-08-2005 08:00 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- looks like she plays more than basketball -------------------------------------------------------------------------- steven posted 02-08-2005 09:20 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- yeah i heard about it, its all over the news. At least we get on the map somehow . -------------------------------------------------------------------------- steven posted 02-08-2005 09:30 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dang i just saw her on TV, shes hot. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- RUGER moderator posted 02-08-2005 09:35 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pretty sad. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASSASSIN posted 02-08-2005 09:39 PM --------------------------------------------------------------------------quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Marshal: Does she do girls or boys? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Flatlander posted 02-08-2005 09:45 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah that BS how about this jerk down in Redbank a principal sleeps with a 15 yr old gets a suspended sentence and will be able to teach again in 6 yrs our courts better get their **** together -------------------------------------------------------------------------- BigAl posted 02-08-2005 10:06 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I saw it on the news. And although I don't condone what she did, she's one fine looking lady. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- moondawg posted 02-08-2005 10:11 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I saw that on the news tonight. I thought they were'nt supposed to show pics or names of the juvenile victims...then I found out the pic they showed was actually the teacher! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wildcat posted 02-08-2005 10:19 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saw her on TV, she's one hot babie. Why didn't we have teachers like that when I was in Middle School. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- jed posted 02-09-2005 12:07 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Happens all the time, not very often with a female teacher though. I never trust anyone, not even a teacher, with my kids. I know some who have got away with it scott free (I don't have a clue how). Others have not been so "lucky". Sometimes, however, students make things up on teachers. In one particular instance I have seen it just about ruin a teachers life. The student finally admitted that she had made the whole thing up over an altercation in class (she had told her friends about her plot of revenge and thats what got her). By that time his reputation had been through the mud. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- farmin posted 02-09-2005 04:52 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Wildcat: Saw her on TV, she's one hot babie. Why didn't we have teachers like that when I was in Middle School. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I was thinking the same thing, Wildcat. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hawk posted 02-09-2005 07:39 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just saw the story on the Today Show. Matt L. interviewed the Attorney General for Warren county. --------------------------------------------------------------------------paradis posted 02-09-2005 04:27 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- if she was that desperate she should have come seen me. fine lookin babe -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fishboy posted 02-09-2005 04:56 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anybody got a cubscout uniform I can borrow? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Buzzsaw posted 02-09-2005 04:56 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I had some teachers when I was in school that THAT would've been a crime, but this teacher is hot. If that would've been me when I was 13, that would NOT have been a crime. Just a whooped a$$ if my Momma found out, mine and the teachers. I would be the first 32 yr old 8th grader and they would have to drag my a$$ out of her class. That's every boy's fantasy. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- farmin posted 02-09-2005 05:17 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would like to volunteer my services to offer her some counseling. We'll start with some hands on physical therapy. Also, I believe that my volunteer work should put me in the running for the 2006 (site) 'Hero of the Year.' -------------------------------------------------------------------------- countyboy posted 02-09-2005 05:25 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Im so sure that this young boy will have a horrible life. I bet he is tromitized and will never have a fullfilling life. I wonder he will ALWAYS look for the older women. He just got a crash course in sex ed. What the problem? That is the 25 year old coming out in me. But being a father I would kill any teacher that touched my daughter in an inappropiate way. Oh by the way she is a very attractive woman sick but attractive. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- redlegs posted 02-09-2005 05:28 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- This whole story sounds fishy to me. She's way too hot to hook up with a 13 year old. Plus she just went through a divorce. Someone might have it out for her. My two cents. And she is from up there on the plateau. Maybe they're cousins. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- sauceman posted 02-09-2005 05:44 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't know how to post to this without getting into trouble.. . So I will keep my mouth shut.. I have tried to post about a dozen times and have erased them all... Just read my mind folks.... --------------------------------------------------------------------------Bow posted 02-09-2005 06:19 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- All I can say is --------------------------------------------------------------------------KentuckRedneck posted 02-09-2005 07:03 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- A crime is a crime, regardless if it’s male on male, male on female, female on male or female on female. The fact that the lady is “hot” doesn’t make it any less of a crime. Unfortunately there is a double standard when the criminal is a female and the victim is a young male. The fact that this lady was a trusted authority figure makes it all the more disgusting. If it were my son this had happened to I would want the maximum punishment for her and I would not take too kindly to those that made my son out to be some “conquering stud”, instead of the victim. Yes, when I was a teenager I also fantasized about such escapades. I have also seen the affects of a teenage male being seduced by an older “hot” female and it can have less than desirable affects. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another page to go... stay with me! |
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posted 02-09-2005 07:58 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I completely agree KY Redneck. At the same time, I sure wish I had had a "teacher" like that when I was a teenager! She could have tought me anything she wants! ...just kidding, just kidding... sort of... --------------------------------------------------------------------------Kirk posted 02-09-2005 08:01 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Everytime I look at her picture a song pops in my head. "got it made, got it made, got it made...I'm hot for teacher." --------------------------------------------------------------------------farmin posted 02-09-2005 08:08 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- That boy is the envy of every stratight teenage boy in the state! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Buck posted 02-09-2005 08:09 PM --------------------------------------------------------------------------What was she the Sex Ed teacher ? LOL --------------------------------------------------------------------------Chicken posted 02-09-2005 08:51 PM --------------------------------------------------------------------------She can rape me anytime --------------------------------------------------------------------------Crappie posted 02-09-2005 08:56 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------I'd like to know what pick-up line he used. I thought I'd tried them all in school. "Do you need a partner for weight watchers tonight?" "Can we go to dinner tonight and use you AARP card?" "Good morning Mrs. Wilson, you're scarf sure makes your eyes dance" "I have a Harley, ....Harley Davidson. Zat turn you on?" NOTHING WORKED!!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------Cuttin posted 02-09-2005 09:16 PM ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I could not begin to feel the way that Mothers feels right now, to think she let someone in their home that brought that kind of pain to that family. I am sure glad I have not faced that kind of pain. I have talked to my son about this and I have heard his jokes about it. I can TRUST him and I try to make sure that I leave a door open to where if he ever is faced with something that he may not be able to handle, he feels comfortable enough to talk to me about it. If it be sex or drugs. This age is faced with more than I was every faced with at that age. I hope they treat her just like any other sex offender. FRY her a s s --------------------------------------------------------------------------Crappie posted 02-09-2005 09:36 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- She needs a spanking --------------------------------------------------------------------------Huntaholic posted 02-09-2005 09:44 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry guys, but if one of my kids came home and told me he was doing his teacher and she looked like that, I would HIGH FIVE the boy and do my best Tim 'The Tool Man" Taylor RRRR rrrrr RRRRR at the same time! I dont care who you are that girl is HOT! Something else to ponder on, wonder just WHO it was that leaked this information out? Chances are, it dang sure wasnt the student! Im betting it was one of two possibilities: either the boys middle aged, overweight Mom, OR a another jealous student! --------------------------------------------------------------------------Cuttin posted 02-09-2005 09:48 PM --------------------------------------------------------------------------that is sad and I feel sorry for you what if it was your baby girl and a male teacher? --------------------------------------------------------------------------Huntaholic posted 02-09-2005 09:51 PM --------------------------------------------------------------------------Like it or not, the world is still full of double standards and THIS is a PERFECT example. Im just being honest, if you could get 10 men to tell you the truth, 9 of em will say the same thing I said. Course now my kids are 19 and 21, so my view may be SOMEWHAT biased, but if they were say in high school and was tapping dat arse, yep, GOOD JOB SON----- --------------------------------------------------------------------------CB posted 02-09-2005 09:54 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- In today's world,I'd just be happy it is a him and her.... Of course I would have to take action against the offending party, but that is a given. --------------------------------------------------------------------------mtnman posted 02-09-2005 10:03 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- My only question is, "What would have been your reactions if the young lady was UGLY"? Most of the reactions were concerning her attractiveness. ------------------------------------------------------------------------hog posted 02-09-2005 10:09 PM --------------------------------------------------------------------------No double standard Hunt.... She had sexual relations with a underaged CHILD. What if she was 13 and your son was 3 and you found out she had been groping him and abusing him in a sexual way?? Sure teenaged boys have raging hormones and are probably "easier" targets than girls the same age but it is the same crime either way you look at. And is condoning statutory rape and praising your son for fooling around with a married, TEACHER during school the father fgure you want to portray and pass on to your kids?? ----------------------------------------------------------------------Huntaholic posted 02-09-2005 10:10 PM --------------------------------------------------------------------------quote: --------------------------------------------------------------------------Originally posted by mtnman: My only question is, "What would have been your reactions if the young lady was UGLY"? Most of the reactions were concerning her attractiveness. --------------------------------------------------------------------------DAYUMM BOY! I thought I taught you better than that! --------------------------------------------------------------------------Huntaholic posted 02-09-2005 10:11 PM --------------------------------------------------------------------------Were you ever a teenager Hog? --------------------------------------------------------------------------hog posted 02-09-2005 10:15 PM --------------------------------------------------------------------------quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------Originally posted by Huntaholic: Were you ever a teenager Hog? -------------------------------------------------------------------------Yep...More than I like to admit...but being a teenager doesnt cover up the fact that she had sex with a child. ------------------------------------------------------------------------Huntaholic posted 02-09-2005 10:21 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Perhaps, by TODAY'S legal definition, but not too many years ago 13 was the age at which girls were expected to be thinking about MARRIAGE. 3 is a child by ANY definition. 13 is debatable, depending on the individual. Ive even seen some 30 yr olds that acted like they were 10. --------------------------------------------------------------------------Bummin' posted 02-09-2005 10:22 PM --------------------------------------------------------------------------I grew up about a mile down the road from her and was around her alot. If I had wanted a babie doll I would have went to Wally World. -------------------------------------------------------------------------pub posted 02-09-2005 10:23 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I personally know this lady and her family.I don't believe that she is guilty until proven so.I also wish that the media would leave her mom and dad out of this just because her dad is a well known coach he is being chased by network news like he did this.If she is guilty she has really destroyed her life and that is the big picture here not how proud the boy should be. ------------------------------------------------------------------------Bummin' posted 02-09-2005 10:30 PM --------------------------------------------------------------------------A 27 year old woman should have more respct about her self where she is guilty or not. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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posted 02-09-2005 11:06 PM --------------------------------------------------------------------------If the alleged event did in fact take place I cannot say I condone this sort of behavior. However, if said event did occur this young lady has some serious issues. From the few pictures I have seen I am certain that she would have had NO PROBLEM finding a willing adult partner to fulfill her every need. From the posts above I'd have to assume she would have a line of TNDeer regulars waiting to offer their services. (No honey, I wouldn't be one of them!!) PS Did ya'll know she was one of the WCW Nitro girls back in 97? D@mn she's hot!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Codger posted 02-10-2005 12:19 AM --------------------------------------------------------------------------Any adult comes near my 13 year old son or daughter like that....you better hope they hide you deep in the jail and keep you there a long....LONG time. Any of you that condone this are not much of a man in my book. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Huntaholic posted 02-10-2005 08:47 AM --------------------------------------------------------------------------Whew BOY! Ive done it now! I dont recall being the least bit concerned with what, who, where, manhood, childhood, or even SPECIES I was considered by you in your book. THINK BACK MAN, do you even REMEMBER being a teenager? Im not asking that you look at it from a 70 yr old. great grandpa view, remember testostorone? Lighten up man, I agree, I see absolutely NO reason for her to be fooling around with someone like that, but I **** SURE dont blame the boy for doing it! --------------------------------------------------------------------------Bobcat posted 02-10-2005 09:30 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------ruht ro...anyone feel that earthquake this morning? --------------------------------------------------------------------------Codger posted 02-10-2005 09:31 AM --------------------------------------------------------------------------If you, an adult, condone a child having sex with and adult, then you condone an adult having sex with a child. It is not funny. It is not something to lighten up about. You obviously don't care what anyone thinks about your sense of morality or ethics, or you would not have posted such on a public forum read in quite a few states. I guess I am too old for my sense of morality to count anymore. I was a moral teen. I had moral parents. I am trying to raise moral children and it is hard to do in today's world. Harder than it was for my parents. Back then there was no "man/boy love association." Teachers could be trusted to not abuse children. I have no idea if this woman is guilty of doing what she is charged with. That is for the court to decide. But when a group of men come on a hoot and backslap and "Hi-five" over the idea that some kid has sex with a 27 year old woman, good looking, bad looking, whatever, it tells me that I am associating with the wrong people here. I am done and out of here. Enjoy your site. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- tink posted 02-10-2005 09:47 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------i'll pretend to be 13 and she can rape me!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------Bubba posted 02-10-2005 09:48 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't condone what she did but everyone keeps saying that she raped this boy like she tied him up and held a gun to his head while she grinded on him. From everything I've read and heard on TV this was toal consensual sex. This kid knew what he was doing, I don't think he's a victim. I know the boy is only 13 but what a 13yr. old boy knows about sex these days is ALOT more than even 18 or 20yr. olds knew 10-15 years ago. What this woman did was wrong but to keep it in perspective, it does take two to tango. To play devils' advocate: Would it make a difference if the 13yr. old is the one that persued this woman and started the relationship? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Your post was fine, it came from a straight-thinking moral man who knows what he's talking about. These guys are just excited because they saw this teacher and they think "they can do it with her back then". Obvioulsy they are thinking with the wrong head... It's best to follow the norms of today's society and a 27 years old teacher doing it with a 13 years old student, is shameful, it's even considered taboo and pedophilia and what do we do when we see a guy trying to hook up with a 13 years old boy? Not only do we view it as a gay activity but the bigger point in picture is, he's only 13 years old and why would anyone want to fiddle with someone who's 1/2 his age? It's disgusting and it's like having sex with your own children. Anyone who think of that will need to seek psychological help because this is not what we view as a positive activity in the moral book. Sure enough a lot of us have fantasies of having an older woman come on us when we are young and back then we would think it's ok, but what is really going on? we are putting the older person in picture in high risk of going to jail/getting fined. Like that song, "Stacy's mom", it's a perfect every-teenage-boy-going-through-puberty's fantasy but they are thinking with the wrong head here. Too much blood in their head, blocking them from consulting with old man Common Sense.
All in all, Codger, you said the right thing and if anyone disagree with what you said, it's not you, it's them. Hopefully that's what you are hoping to hear from us, but if there's something else that you need to be rested, let me know! |
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Well, as you could tell by my last post on the thread, I left that site. I have, out of curiosity, been lurking back occasionally, and the same infantile remarks continue. It is like they didn't even see what I wrote, or didn't care.
I have both a 13 year old daughter and a 13 year old son. Their lewd hubba hubba remarks I can take as just locker room crap from immature boys. But when they openly condone child abuse like that, it tells me a lot about these people and the world we live in today. It is like they think that you cannot sexually abuse a boy? This fits right in with the child murder threads, child abuse and neglect, sick people cheerleading other sick people. Some of these men are in their 30's, 40's, and 50's. And they think that a 13 year old boy having sex with a teacher in her upper twenties is fine and envy the boy. I guess I should say boys, since there are more than 15 counts now 
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You are absolutely right. I have two grandsons, ages 8 and 11. The thought of any adult, man or woman, sexually abusing them makes me sick. I hope that most of those disgustingly stupid remarks made by the other posters is just "talk". Many people say things that they really don't believe, or would never act on, just for immature shock value. Nevertheless, it is still disturbing. I don't care how "consensual" the accused says the acts were. No minor child, especially in relation to an authority figure, is every truly consensual. In fact, even if a minor child is physically well-developed, strips naked, and throws him/herself at an adult, it is the responsibility of the adult to say "No!" and flee the scene. |
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But the laws of this country is set up to punish people, if they are not in the same age bracket, for engaging in sexual activity, because of arbitrary classifications. Fact: The human being arrives at sexual maturity 6 to 10 years earlier than the government/society's definition of "adult." This factoid will always result in sexual relationships between "adults" and "underage teenagers," no matter how severe the repercussions may get. Another fact: people have engaged in sex and do bear children long before the age of 18 in the past and other countries. We should stop pretending our laws and our morals are objective and should apply all the time, and learn their limits, and learn some history and gain some perspective. :buttsex:
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Personal factoid: at age 19 i have slept with a 17 year old.
Ladies and gentlemen, commence "holier than thou" attitude and preaching.
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The child that this teacher is accused of having sex with is 13. An eighth grader. My daughter, and my son are 13. Neither of them have the maturity to give consent to sex with an adult. Or with other children. Neither of them has the physical maturity to bear children or the mental maturity to raise them if they did have them.
Beyond the matter of what the law says, beyond what the matter of societal morality says, beyond what physicians or scientist say or what another parent might say, I say that if an adult molest one of my children and I find out about it, and nothing really, really bad happens to them, they can then assume that they did the right thing. Can that be plainer? |
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The author has great insights in the human condition that is deeper than the arbitrary mores of society.
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 To the audience: notice how Reba consistently uses the word "child" instead of teenager. The child is a completely innocent dove, whereas the adult is a disgusting creature from the foulest depths of River Styx, who should be ashamed of his or her thoughts. Things are hardly that black and white, and you need to realize that. The sooner you do, the more you will understand human behavior.
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Food for thought, especially for the judgmental people:
Age of Consent
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My cousins are from Italy and they are about the most well-adjusted people you will ever meet in your life. They are, on the whole, a great group of intelligent and sociable people. The fact that the age of consent is 14 has something to do with their lack of prudish or judgmental perception, it is likely, however, I am not going to make a sweeping generalization based on my cousins alone. Anyway, they are proof that the age of consent is rather inconsequential to their emotional or physical maturity.
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1 a : compliance in or approval of what is done or proposed by another; specifically : the voluntary agreement or acquiescence by a person of age or with requisite mental capacity who is not under duress or coercion and usually who has knowledge or understanding Merriam-Webster Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.
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Which begs the further question: what is the qualitative difference between a 17 year old's mental capacity and that of an 18 year old? Do you actually believe every 18 year old inherits a mental capacity that did not exist until they turned 18 years old? Does this "quality" consists equally in each and every 18 year old person? You'd be hard pressed to argue that is the case. Since I know many teenagers to be much more mature than some mid-20 year old people, that already discredits the "mental capacity" appeal of yours. Next!
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pl: children 1: a son or daughter of any age and usu. including one formally adopted (compare issue) Note: The word child as used in a statute or will is often held to include a stepchild, an illegitimate child, a person for whom one stands in loco parentis, or sometimes a more remote descendant, such as a grandchild. In interpreting the word child as used in a will, the court will try to effectuate the intent of the person who made the will as it can be determined from the language of the will. 2: a person below an age specified by law: "infant" "minor" Example: assault on a child under 16 years of age (compare adult) Note: A person who is below the statutory age but is married will usually be considered an adult. So, using your logic, perhaps you should move to a country where YOUR definition of child is prevalent, such as Mexico or Peru, or perhaps you can find one of your 14 year old cousins in Italy who will consent to have sex with you, since I doubt you have opinions prohibiting incestual relations either. |
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I just had a thought. If free sex between teenagers is considered consensual, exactly what makes it nonconsensual when the teen is shacking with an adult? If the teen is already physically capable and is mentally cognizant (after all they take sex education classes for learning, and to learn is to be capable of cognizant decisions) then what makes the exact same act between consenting teenagers different with an adult?
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Don't let the door hit you on your way out
your chosen dictionary definitions of "child" are not highlighted against the adult, so, no dice. The adult is someone else's child, so using your very limited definition, there are two children in the statutory rape case. Obviously you did not think this through.
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As for "condescension, insults and irrelevant asides" you do your fair share. You refer to posters as "the puritans on this thread" and use obscene icons to illustrate your point (how mature). I don't mind if you think I am judgmental but it is obvious that you are looking down on me from the back of your high horse when you call me "miss judgmental." Let's clear this up. What exactly is your motive for defending the sexual exploitation of minors by adults?
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There are laws to protect our children, Doesn't matter if that person is 13 yrs old, He is still a child. It is very common for teens at jr. high or high school having a crush on teachers, But Teachers should know the statutory rape laws. Whether a child consents is not the issue. The adult needs to make responsible decisions. Teachers are role models, If teachers have sex with a minor, I wouldn't want that type of teacher teaching my children. I don't think that 13 yrs old know what love means, He is just a child, and doesn't have enough life experience yet.
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1. What defines a 18 years old as mentally prepared for sexual consent that is lacking, say in someone who is 17 years, 11 months, and 28 days old? I noticed that the Heretic was pointing out that the "age" as a defining factor isn't uniform all over the world. That brings up a subset question from yours truly. 1a. Do you truly believe that the rest of the world, such as Codger pointed out, being Peru and Mexico, are morally inferior to the United States? I must be fair and point out that in the United States, states such as Iowa, Missouri and South Carolina have a consenting age of 14 years old There's countless of 'em with consenting age of 16, but that's getting off the point.Second question. What morality barometer do you determine to decide your "disgust" with a certain act? Is there a magical figure that you plucked out of the air? Is there an actual reason behind it? Just because an "institution" said it is so, it must be so? Please clarify that point for me. Quote:
If Codger and Reba really wanted to argue with the Heretic. They should've have punched holes in the age difference as the deciding factor, and why a certain age has a certain mental maturity that is lacking in those younger. Do you realize that young women are physically ready to have baby by the time they are 9-15 years old? As the Heretic pointed out the age of consent ranges from 14 to 18 years old throughout the world, and in certain Middle East countries, its actually down to single digits. I'm not trying to point out where Reba and Codger were incorrect, but only to point out that the age factor itself is really a byproduct of the "times", not necessarily "moral value" established from day one. In fact, the mid 19th century, roughly a century ago, ages from 10 to 13 were typically acceptable, then by the end of the 20th century, it rose to 15 to 18. Finally, to point out a little absurdiness in this whole argument. Warning: Off TOPIC War: Age allowed to join the military and die for our country: 18 years Age allowed to vote: 21 So, by definition, people aren't mentally ready to make decisions about their own country, however they can die for it? The odd thing is, people have the mental capacity of choosing who to have intercourse with by the time they are 18, yet they cannot be allowed to vote for their own representative, nor smoke. Back on TOPIC the Age is simply what it is, a byproduct of its own time, fueled by political reasons instead of morality. Please recognize it for what it really is. |
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02-12-2005, 12:22 AM
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Ummmm... for a person who likes to point at facts... well, 18 year olds got the right to vote in 1971. If I am wrong, we need to nullify all the elections for the past 34 years. And the definition of child was from a law dictionary, not someone's opinion. This is not, by the way, the debate forum. Feel free to post a thread there extoling the virtues of adult/child sex if you wish. Or maybe the moderators will create a pedophelia forum for you. I did not start this thread to debate with any of you. Go back and read the first post.
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 If you're referring to this emoticon :sure: that was to signify an expression. If i say "oh my god" that doesn't mean i believe in God. Nor does the "wanker" emoticon necessarily mean "whacking off," literally. It could be metaphorical - like "gimme a break" or "get a load of this." But since you cannot see past your judgments, that emoticon is 'obscene.' OTOH, if it was the buttsex emoticon, then i have nothing further, your honor. Quote:
Why didn't you bother at refuting my valid and rather salient points?
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If Heretic brought up sincere valid questions I might consider answering them. If he just wants to "debate" for the sake of argument, then I am not interested. Sexual abuse is not a game of philosophical debate. If Heretic is only trying to justify the perversions of people who should know better, then I choose to stear clear of that nasty pit. Quote:
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SECTION 16-3-655. Criminal sexual conduct with minors. [SC ST SEC 16-3-655] (3) A person is guilty of criminal sexual conduct in the second degree if the actor engages in sexual battery with a victim who is at least fourteen years of age but who is less than sixteen years of age and the actor is in a position of familial, custodial, or official authority to coerce the victim to submit or is older than the victim. also: SECTION 16-3-810. Engaging child for sexual performance; penalty. [SC ST SEC 16-3-810] (a) It is unlawful for any person to employ, authorize, or induce a child younger than eighteen years of age to engage in a sexual performance. It is unlawful for a parent or legal guardian or custodian of a child younger than eighteen years of age to consent to the participation by the child in a sexual performance. Quote:
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Heh. In one ear, out of the other.
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26th Commandment, Section 1. I wanted you to point that out, so you contend that it's alright to move down the age limit on voting age, whereas you contend that the age limit for consental sex should be moved up? Purely on what basis? Political? Moral? Are you diluting 'em both so they're essentially the same thing in your eyes? Why not lower it down to 13, or 16? After all, we allow them to drive a 1/2 ton machine on our local highways. They make life and death decisions everyday. Contradicting yourself, aren't you? It's a political shiv that signifies absolutely nothing. Thank you for proving my point If we were to follow your logic, in about 30 years from now, the legal consenting age would be 21 to 25 years old and the voting age will be down in around 14? Now, don't I hear a lot of college students protesting (well at least about the sex issue?) Quote:
Surely not A legal definition of a child is boy or a girl; traditionally, one who hasn't reached the age of 14. beyond that, there's not much else. Please clarify how a "child" in the legal sense can be granted the notion that they are incapable of thinking for themselves, to make educated choices, and/or even make everyday choices? I wonder if that speaks volume in the failure of our school system, but of course that's getting off the topic as well. Quote:
I guess the heretic was right after all. You have absolutely no substantial argument nor defense to your statement, therefore the only way you can even muster an attack is to verbally call them names, shout invections, use whatever mud you have nearby. I wonder, truly wonder, if the reason for your intense refusal to even look at the subject at face value is due to restraining your inner desire to molest your own children, hence anything that resembles that must be met with absolute scorn and must be made felt the way you feel on the inside? I pity you and your children. Peace. |
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02-12-2005, 01:43 AM
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If you think it isn't then you have determined the subject to be out of bounds. I can respect that decision. But that also means you have no way of talking about it, which means appealing to reason when someone asks you why sexual abuse is bad. My guess? This is your answer: 'cause I said so! 
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