Pope John Paul II in the hospital - Page 2

Crazymanw00t · 02-01-2005, 10:20 PM

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02-01-2005, 10:24 PM

Sable, I understand where you are coming from. Like you, I am no longer a practicing Catholic but the traditions remain with me. It gave me a foundation, set of values and faith.

I am no longer practicing as a Catholic because of politics but I still hold a GREAT deal of respect for the Pope. His never-wavering faith, humbleness, love and genuine admiration for people are what I admire the most.

I just dont appreciate people confusing him with the one during World War II.This Pope is unique and will leave ever lasting legacy.

Crazymanw00t · 02-01-2005, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzy

It is sad to read your comments now that I know u are just alike bunches of fake christians.

One more thing he did not give Hitler an advice to kill his own Polish people. And you believe whatever you want and I do not believe one word u said about him murdered his own Polish people.

Polish not, it is Jews.

You can call me fake Christian or dumb guy or whatever you want. At least I bring up something fact about deep inside of Catholic. Many Christian have same beliefs as I do. Pope is not holy, Catholic is false Religious. Pope is very bad person but he done many actions to cover up his darkness side.

Did you read Martin Luther's history? With that history and it applies to Catholic and Pope, too. It haven't happened only to currently Pope but it also happened to all Catholic's popes.
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I do not wish Pope to die. He needs to die. That is different between wish and need.
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Pope and Mother Teresa never were more of holy people or anything with holy. They were sinners, period.

Read it, Romans 3:10 New International Verison
"10 As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one;
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I was Catholic and I discovered all that terrible darkness of Catholic.
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I am done with this and I do not want to cause more messing around on this thread. I want to leave it neat and suit with the topic. If you want to debate and please create new thread.

Vance · 02-01-2005, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazymanw00t

Haha, Don't use that word Christian to labels with my comments. Those came out from my opinion not from my Christian's thoughts.

1st point-
Honestly, he needs to die. Every time he was supposed to be dead man and every people tries to save him from being dead. He played like, "Cheating the Death." It is unfair for some homeless or some people that they have to die with no help.

2nd point-

*Warning* It may offends to some Catholics with my view on Pope and Catholic Religious. If you wish to not read it and I strongly to skip it.

My other view of Pope and he is one of damn lair to millions people. Pope is a sinner and he was never a holy person. Many people idols Pope for his holy, That is please! Catholic is not a truth religious and same with the issue with salvation. He is one that advised Hitler to kill millions of Jews. Reason to kill Jews, Catholic wanted to set-up the Catholic headquarters at Holy City. He is murder and not many people saw the truth of his murders. That is what I know of Pope. I can bring up all strong evidences of Pope's terrible actions or history of darkness inside Catholic at new thread. It is too amazing how people believed that Catholic is true religious.

*END*

"Bush need to die," and I do not care about him dying. He is just our president, man, sinner, and brother of Christian.

I am not labelling you as christian.. I was surprised that a christian like you would say that to any people like Pope. I mean, practice what you preach. Know what I mean? Sorry if I offend you with that 'labelling' but it is not my intention.

As for your comments about christians and catholics, hmmm know what's interesting about that? Native Americans and many foreigners thought that christianity is not true religious and they also thought that christians are insane to practice that 'religion'. That's one of few reasons why vikings hacked christians into pieces few hundred years ago because they thought christians are insanes.

I am a strong believer in spiritual things... that's why I feel that I am closer to Native Americans and their 'religion' than any religions. They thought that christians are insane when they cutted the God's creation a.k.a. trees down to build the churches. These trees are God's creations, it is more holier than churches ever will be. You see, Jesus isolated himself in the wilderness to purified the demons and sins before his own people crucified him. Why did He choose the wilderness instead of churches? Wilderness have its own pureness, far purer than churches. So why did christians cutted these trees down to build the filthy churches to pray or purify their sins when the God's creation a.k.a. wilderness is right there for you to pray or purify your sins? In that argument, native americans always win or right.

I can go on and on more about native americans and their perspectives about these christians but you get the general idea. I dunno if you do know or not... many of these religions have the same God but only in different names.

My opinion about christians (actually Religious Right) is quite harsh but I refused to share my full opinion so I better leave on that.

My opinion: "practice what you preach" is a lost philosophy to Religious Right.

About Pope and 'liar'... Bush is a biggest liar too yet you praised him as your 'king' (literally). As for your other comment: "I was Catholic and I discovered all that terrible darkness of Catholic." I was a christian and I discovered the darkest and horribly truths about Christianity too.

Edit: All in all, catholic is anything but 'fake' or 'deceptive'. I also don't think that christianity is fake either. I just shared what I know from these people.

Reba · 02-01-2005, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazymanw00t

... He is one that advised Hitler to kill millions of Jews.

John Paul was not even a priest during WWII. He was a young college student and worked in a quarry and factory. He certainly had no influence on Hitler.

jazzy · 02-01-2005, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazymanw00t

Polish not, it is Jews.

You can call me fake Christian or dumb guy or whatever you want. At least I bring up something fact about deep inside of Catholic. Many Christian have same beliefs as I do. Pope is not holy, Catholic is false Religious. Pope is very bad person but he done many actions to cover up his darkness side.

You decided he is very bad person, make youself one also.

Did you read Martin Luther's history? With that history and it applies to Catholic and Pope, too. It haven't happened only to currently Pope but it also happened to all Catholic's popes.

I have read his history, it has nothing to do with my faith in Jesus Christ. He showed me the way and He is the holder of all religions. Martin Luther may be your truth but not for me, he was just another man who like to have women around him.
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I do not wish Pope to die. He needs to die. That is different between wish and need.
And you need to die too.
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Pope and Mother Teresa never were more of holy people or anything with holy. They were sinners, period.

Yes they are sinner and they love Jesus Christ very much and follower of Him.

Read it, Romans 3:10 New International Verison
"10 As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one;
What make u think I say this? I simple defend him because you attacked him.

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I was Catholic and I discovered all that terrible darkness of Catholic. I was Catholic once too and I found God within that Church and it had nothing to do with priests ,popes and darkness of Catholic.

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I am done with this and I do not want to cause more messing around on this thread. I want to leave it neat and suit with the topic. If you want to debate and please create new thread.

Jewish Polish and Polish people were murdered by Hitler and this man has nothing to do with them. My husband's great grandmother was murdered by Hitler and she was very Catholic. I do not believe your words about Pope John Paul about connect with Hitler. Just another catholic bashers try to bring those people down.

jazzy · 02-01-2005, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magatsu

I am not labelling you as christian.. I was surprised that a christian like you would say that to any people like Pope. I mean, practice what you preach. Know what I mean? Sorry if I offend you with that 'labelling' but it is not my intention.

As for your comments about christians and catholics, hmmm know what's interesting about that? Native Americans and many foreigners thought that christianity is not true religious and they also thought that christians are insane to practice that 'religion'. That's one of few reasons why vikings hacked christians into pieces few hundred years ago because they thought christians are insanes.

I am a strong believer in spiritual things... that's why I feel that I am closer to Native Americans and their 'religion' than any religions. They thought that christians are insane when they cutted the God's creation a.k.a. trees down to build the churches. These trees are God's creations, it is more holier than churches ever will be. You see, Jesus isolated himself in the wilderness to purified the demons and sins before his own people crucified him. Why did He choose the wilderness instead of churches? Wilderness have its own pureness, far purer than churches. So why did christians cutted these trees down to build the filthy churches to pray or purify their sins when the God's creation a.k.a. wilderness is right there for you to pray or purify your sins? In that argument, native americans always win or right.

I can go on and on more about native americans and their perspectives about these christians but you get the general idea. I dunno if you do know or not... many of these religions have the same God but only in different names.

My opinion about christians (actually Religious Right) is quite harsh but I refused to share my full opinion so I better leave on that.

My opinion: "practice what you preach" is a lost philosophy to Religious Right.

About Pope and 'liar'... Bush is a biggest liar too yet you praised him as your 'king' (literally). As for your other comment: "I was Catholic and I discovered all that terrible darkness of Catholic." I was a christian and I discovered the darkest and horribly truths about Christianity too.

Edit: All in all, catholic is anything but 'fake' or 'deceptive'. I also don't think that christianity is fake either. I just shared what I know from these people.

Thanks because it is rare to find another human with humble heart here.

I watched history channel few weeks ago about him, he loves wilderness and spend alot of time there during his youth years to be closer to God.

jazzy · 02-01-2005, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

John Paul was not even a priest during WWII. He was a young college student and worked in a quarry and factory. He certainly had no influence on Hitler.

Thank you, Polish people suffered during WWII.

Vance · 02-01-2005, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jazzy

Thanks because it is rare to find another human with humble heart here.

I watched history channel few weeks ago about him, he loves wilderness and spend alot of time there during his youth years to be closer to God.

Really? Cool! I hope I can order a videotape off from History Channel about that. I'd love to watch that one.

And no problem

ravensteve1961 · 02-01-2005, 11:39 PM

Remember john paul condemed the soviet union for interfere with polands freedom during the national strike? And John Paul spoke in front off 150,000 polish people in a large stadium in 1984? and this polish guy said why watch it on TV? We dont trust television because they might not tell it like the pope said . And there was another man lead to protest at a radio station in poland because the press said a lot of bullshit about the pope so the protesters went down to the radio station and shouted LIE!!,,LIE!!,,LIE!!,,LIE!!,,LIE!!! in front of the radio station. Pope john paul is another reason why the soviet union colapsed Europeans in eastern europe saw what poland did and they joined in too.And Ronald Reagan did the finishing touches by saying """ MR Gorbachev,Tear Down this wall!!""" So pope john paul really had something to do with the fall of the soviet union.

jazzy · 02-02-2005, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ravensteve1961

Remember john paul condemed the soviet union for interfere with polands freedom during the national strike? And John Paul spoke in front off 150,000 polish people in a large stadium in 1984? and this polish guy said why watch it on TV? We dont trust television because they might not tell it like the pope said . And there was another man lead to protest at a radio station in poland because the press said a lot of bullshit about the pope so the protesters went down to the radio station and shouted LIE!!,,LIE!!,,LIE!!,,LIE!!,,LIE!!! in front of the radio station. Pope john paul is another reason why the soviet union colapsed Europeans in eastern europe saw what poland did and they joined in too.And Ronald Reagan did the finishing touches by saying """ MR Gorbachev,Tear Down this wall!!""" So pope john paul really had something to do with the fall of the soviet union.

True.

Soviet Union almost went in and destroy those people but they knew they can not win this battle because of pope john paul.

ravensteve1961 · 02-02-2005, 02:12 PM

Because Communist leaders will not tell the people the truth.Communist leaders didnt not want the pope in their countries cause the pope will tell the people about freedom in the bible. Remember the polish general was the leader of poland he was so nervis the pope being back in his home country he told the general these are my people for now not yours. That worried the general and he did called breshnev for help but the US Warned the soviets not to interfere with polands business.And the rest is history.

GalaxyAngel · 02-02-2005, 02:51 PM

Hilter is not Catholic pure.. himself is Holust-Catholic wants destory the gov't system againist the Religious "Roman-Catholic/Jews"..
He is quite sicko and anything he want become poweful!

Pope isn't part of Hilter's life and involved... What he did his past made horrible dark and ask for forgiven and willing scarfice his life and become preaching all the world which speaking truth coming from the HOLY BIBLE.. He speaking for God's words.. PEROID..

ravensteve1961 · 02-02-2005, 05:43 PM

The pope seemed to be getting better. He should have just gone to the doctor early. He was lucky though. Doctors can treat flu systoms nowadays. If you have the flu and you get a fever go to a doctor right away have someone take you and be with you so that way if the receptionist turn you away you have proof to go to a lawyer when you get better OR go to the medical board and theyre revoke your doctors licence and that receptionist will lose her job and begin trying to collect unemployment and belive you me its hell going to an unemployment office and put up with government employees.

02-02-2005, 02:51 PM	#43 (permalink)
GalaxyAngel That's me! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ontario,Canada Posts: 13,515	Hilter is not Catholic pure.. himself is Holust-Catholic wants destory the gov't system againist the Religious "Roman-Catholic/Jews".. He is quite sicko and anything he want become poweful! Pope isn't part of Hilter's life and involved... What he did his past made horrible dark and ask for forgiven and willing scarfice his life and become preaching all the world which speaking truth coming from the HOLY BIBLE.. He speaking for God's words.. PEROID.. __________________ Parent's proud our children.

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02-01-2005, 10:24 PM	#32 (permalink)
Gemtun Guest Posts: n/a	Sable, I understand where you are coming from. Like you, I am no longer a practicing Catholic but the traditions remain with me. It gave me a foundation, set of values and faith. I am no longer practicing as a Catholic because of politics but I still hold a GREAT deal of respect for the Pope. His never-wavering faith, humbleness, love and genuine admiration for people are what I admire the most. I just dont appreciate people confusing him with the one during World War II.This Pope is unique and will leave ever lasting legacy.

02-01-2005, 11:39 PM	#40 (permalink)
ravensteve1961 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Here Posts: 3,940	Remember john paul condemed the soviet union for interfere with polands freedom during the national strike? And John Paul spoke in front off 150,000 polish people in a large stadium in 1984? and this polish guy said why watch it on TV? We dont trust television because they might not tell it like the pope said . And there was another man lead to protest at a radio station in poland because the press said a lot of bullshit about the pope so the protesters went down to the radio station and shouted LIE!!,,LIE!!,,LIE!!,,LIE!!,,LIE!!! in front of the radio station. Pope john paul is another reason why the soviet union colapsed Europeans in eastern europe saw what poland did and they joined in too.And Ronald Reagan did the finishing touches by saying """ MR Gorbachev,Tear Down this wall!!""" So pope john paul really had something to do with the fall of the soviet union.

02-02-2005, 02:12 PM	#42 (permalink)
ravensteve1961 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Here Posts: 3,940	Because Communist leaders will not tell the people the truth.Communist leaders didnt not want the pope in their countries cause the pope will tell the people about freedom in the bible. Remember the polish general was the leader of poland he was so nervis the pope being back in his home country he told the general these are my people for now not yours. That worried the general and he did called breshnev for help but the US Warned the soviets not to interfere with polands business.And the rest is history.

02-02-2005, 05:43 PM	#44 (permalink)
ravensteve1961 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Here Posts: 3,940	The pope seemed to be getting better. He should have just gone to the doctor early. He was lucky though. Doctors can treat flu systoms nowadays. If you have the flu and you get a fever go to a doctor right away have someone take you and be with you so that way if the receptionist turn you away you have proof to go to a lawyer when you get better OR go to the medical board and theyre revoke your doctors licence and that receptionist will lose her job and begin trying to collect unemployment and belive you me its hell going to an unemployment office and put up with government employees.