Shooting at WI Sikh temple leaves 7 dead. - Page 3

Steinhauer · 08-06-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

refused or did not find?

either way - it doesn't matter. I'll stick with the facts.

That would be a first.

**Jiro** · 08-06-2012, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Sure, I can do that. You had previously asked about why Page was involved in Psychological Operations while in the Army. You mentioned you should probably ask your friend at Fort Bragg about what that was.

I wouldn't split hairs, but since you are claiming that I am not focusing on the thread at hand, by mentioning information about Punk Rock Bands, I felt compelled to mention that if you feel this way, then perhaps you should not have mentioned anything about Psychological Operations - which is not about Page at all.

Do you see how two different, and seperate subjects (i.e. The shooter and Psychological Operations) are related to this thread?

Do you see how two different, but seperate subjects (i.e. Page and Punk Rock bands) are related to this thread?

I would think that most competent people could see the connection.

wow.... what in God's name are you rambling on about? I have absolutely no idea what you just said!

Steinhauer · 08-06-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

wow.... what in God's name are you rambling on about? I have absolutely no idea what you just said!

Yeah, I kind of figured that out. A loooooong time ago.

**Reba** · 08-06-2012, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

refused or did not find?

either way - it doesn't matter. I'll stick with the facts.

**Jiro** · 08-06-2012, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Yeah, I kind of figured that out. A loooooong time ago.

See Post #57. No need to get this thread locked up by acting like this. It's unnecessary. Please kindly take a high road.

Steinhauer · 08-06-2012, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

See Post #57. No need to get this thread locked up by acting like this. It's unnecessary. Please kindly take a high road.

I would suggest you do the same - with a kind reminder I never initiated negative comments towards you in the first place.

BTW, The Fort Hood shooting was later deemed to be a terrorist attack. So yes, it was a terrorist attack - you are trying to justify it not being a terrorist attack - but it has already been classified as one. So, sorry.

The point I was making was that the media initially did not deem it a terrorist attack. But, they did so with this Sikh Temple shooting. With a severe slant and bias as to the shooter's political party (which no one really knows what it is).

That was my point all along. And again, thank you for attempting to twist this thread into something about you again.

**Jiro** · 08-06-2012, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

I would suggest you do the same - with a kind reminder I never initiated negative comments towards you in the first place.

Yes you did.

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

That would be a first.

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Yeah, I kind of figured that out. A loooooong time ago.

those were unnecessary.

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

BTW, The Fort Hood shooting was later deemed to be a terrorist attack. So yes, it was a terrorist attack - you are trying to justify it not being a terrorist attack - but it has already been classified as one. So, sorry.

why are you making off-topic posts?

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

The point I was making was that the media initially did not deem it a terrorist attack. But, they did so with this Sikh Temple shooting. With a severe slant and bias as to the shooter's political party (which no one really knows what it is).

FYI - Fort Hood Shooting has never been officially declared as an act of terrorism.

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

That was my point all along. And again, thank you for attempting to twist this thread into something about you again.

**Foxrac** · 08-06-2012, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

I would suggest you do the same - with a kind reminder I never initiated negative comments towards you in the first place.

BTW, The Fort Hood shooting was later deemed to be a terrorist attack. So yes, it was a terrorist attack - you are trying to justify it not being a terrorist attack - but it has already been classified as one. So, sorry.

The point I was making was that the media initially did not deem it a terrorist attack. But, they did so with this Sikh Temple shooting. With a severe slant and bias as to the shooter's political party (which no one really knows what it is).

That was my point all along. And again, thank you for attempting to twist this thread into something about you again.

That's your opinion about Fort Hood shooting is terrorist attack but it isn't official, or factual.

Wiki doesn't classify Fort Hood shooting as terrorism as they did to 9/11 attack.

**Reba** · 08-06-2012, 05:00 PM

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No more Ft. Hood in this thread please.

**Foxrac** · 08-06-2012, 05:10 PM

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Wirelessly posted (BB Curve 9300)

No more Ft. Hood in this thread please.

Yup, I'm listening to you.

I hope other members are listening too.

rockin'robin · 08-06-2012, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

wow.... what in God's name are you rambling on about? I have absolutely no idea what you just said!

whatdidyousay! · 08-06-2012, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Yes, it will be hard unless he left behind a letter or some other kind of statement.

If the shooter had a computer , the cops and FBI will be going through that and all his phone calls , his neigbor said the he was heard making Anti Semitic a lot so I would say the shooter was a racist . One Sikh said people think they're Muslims so the shooter may had through this. The whole thing is so horrible .
My thoughts are with the families . This getting to be no where is safe anymore! This was a hate crime as it happen in a Temple and the shooter should had gotten life or the death sentence if he was still alive.

**Foxrac** · 08-06-2012, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

If the shooter had a computer , the cops and FBI will be going through that and all his phone calls , his neigbor said the he was heard making Anti Semitic a lot so I would say the shooter was a racist . One Sikh said people think they're Muslims so the shooter may had through this. The whole thing is so horrible .
My thoughts are with the families . This getting to be no where is safe anymore! This was a hate crime as it happen in a Temple and the shooter should had gotten life or the death sentence if he was still alive.

Wisconsin doesn't heave death penalty after abolished in 1853.

There is only way for shooter (if alive) to get federal charge to receive death penalty under federal, that's extremely rare.

airportcop · 08-06-2012, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

If the shooter had a computer , the cops and FBI will be going through that and all his phone calls , his neigbor said the he was heard making Anti Semitic a lot so I would say the shooter was a racist . One Sikh said people think they're Muslims so the shooter may had through this. The whole thing is so horrible .
My thoughts are with the families . This getting to be no where is safe anymore! This was a hate crime as it happen in a Temple and the shooter should had gotten life or the death sentence if he was still alive.

Oh he got the death sentence alright!

Steinhauer · 08-06-2012, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

If the shooter had a computer , the cops and FBI will be going through that and all his phone calls , his neigbor said the he was heard making Anti Semitic a lot so I would say the shooter was a racist . One Sikh said people think they're Muslims so the shooter may had through this. The whole thing is so horrible .
My thoughts are with the families . This getting to be no where is safe anymore! This was a hate crime as it happen in a Temple and the shooter should had gotten life or the death sentence if he was still alive.

More has come out. His neighbor and former landlord were interviewed. He got involved in a white supremacy group, according to his friend.

However, both of them seemed very surprised that he did this - they never thought he would lash out violently.

His friend even asked him why he was involved in the white supremacy stuff and Page would never answer him.

**Jiro** · 08-07-2012, 01:54 AM

regarding Psychological Operations Unit... my friend said - "not as impressive as it sounds. mostly desk work."

**Jiro** · 08-07-2012, 05:32 AM

ambrosia · 08-07-2012, 06:50 AM

I don't think it should make a difference whether or not he knew if they were Sikh or Muslim, because you shouldn't shoot people for being Muslim. Not all Muslims are terrorists o_0

**Reba** · 08-07-2012, 06:58 AM

Daily News
U.S

Victims of Sikh temple shooting in Wisconsin remembered

A mother, a joke-telling Sikh priest, a retired farmer, the temple president and two brothers were among those killed by a lone American gunman with white supremacist beliefs.

By Linda Spice In Oak Creek, Wis. AND Bill Hutchinson / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 12:32 AM

Temple president Satwant Kaleka was identified as the first victim of the massacre at Oak Creek, Wisconsin. He died at the scene as he tried to tackle the shooter.

Opportunity for a better life drew them to America, and the need to give thanks for that blessing brought them to the Sikh temple where they died.

A mother, a joke-telling Sikh priest, a retired farmer, the temple president and two brothers were among those killed by a lone American gunman with white supremacist beliefs.

As friends and loved ones failed to make sense of the senseless deaths, they said they’ll never forget the achievements and sacrifices each victim made in life.

Temple president Satwant Kaleka was identified as the first victim of the massacre at Oak Creek, Wisconsin. He died at the scene as he tried to tackle the shooter.

“He was going to protect that house, his people for anything,” said his nephew Kanwardeep Singh Kaleka.

Amardeep Kaleka said his father immigrated to the United States from India in 1982 with just $100 in his pocket.

Calling his father’s life the “quintessential American dream,” he said his dad started out working at a gas station, putting in 18-hour shifts.

He said his dad had previously been the victim of violence. While working at his gas station job, he was once beaten and robbed by attackers who jumped him when he went to take out the garbage.

He helped found the Sikh temple in 1997, becoming the lead investor in the building’s construction.

“That was his baby,” Amardeep Kaleka told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel of his father’s passion for the temple and its members. “If someone says a light bulb is out at 2 a.m. He was there at 2:15 replacing the light bulb.”

Prakash Singh, 39, was a Sikh priest who moved to the United States from India nine years ago. He had just gotten his green card and brought his wife and three chilren from India to join him two months ago.

Inderjeet Dhillon, secretary at the temple, said Prakash Singh was so happy and relieved when he finally brought his family to the temple.

“I said, ‘Who are these kids? He said, ‘Mr. Dhillon, these are my kids,” Dhillon told the Daily News. “He said, ‘Thank God my family is here. I’m so glad my family is here.’”

A friend, Navdeep Gill, said Singh loved telling jokes and used his humor to in his ministry.

Paramjit Kaur, 41, the only woman to die in the massacre, was a loving mother and wife.

Shauna Singh Baldwin said she tried to console Kaur’s husband Sunday, when he learned his wife, who also hails from India, was dead.

“I knew they had children and I asked him where they were. He told me they were at home,” Baldwin said.

Shubeg Singh Khatra, 84, was the oldest victim of the tragedy. A widower and retired farmer in India, he moved to Wisconsin in 2004 to be close to his son, Balginder Khatra, a taxi driver.

The son said that when his father wasn’t gardening, he was at the temple.

“He never missed a day at temple, a day to converse, help in the kitchen, to meet new people,” the son told The News. “He was a talker. He loved to learn about other people.”

Dhillon said the elderly man was always praying for people.

“He always give me a blessing: ‘God bless you, be happy and prosperous.’ I am going to miss him just so much,” Dhillon said.

Also among the dead were Ranjeet Singh, 45, and his brother Seeta, 43. The older Singh moved to the America in 1992 and worked at a grocery store to support a wife, two daughters and son back in India.

He recently told his wife that he planned to travel to India in the fall in time for the Diwali festival. It would have been his first trip back home since he left.

His widow, Lokinder Kaur, said her husband expected to get his green card next month.

“He told me that it was better for our family if he lived and earned there,” the wife told the Hindustan Times.

“As he had applied for the green card, he never came back fearing he would miss his green card appointments. I got both my daughters married last year, still he did not come.”

She said that when her husband’s brother, Seeta Singh, a musician, traveled to Wisconsin in March, he promised to bring his brother home.

“Instead of celebrating their arrival on Diwali, we will mourn their deaths,” the wife said.

Their son, Gurwinder, 19, said he had only known his father through photographs and long-distance phone conversations.

“This morning I got a call saying that my father is no more,” he said.

Read more: Victims of Sikh temple shooting in Wisconsin remembered - NY Daily News

whatdidyousay! · 08-07-2012, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ambrosia

I don't think it should make a difference whether or not he knew if they were Sikh or Muslim, because you shouldn't shoot people for being Muslim. Not all Muslims are terrorists o_0

Of course you should not kill anyone in cold blood , but it looks like the shooter may had thought in his twisted mind that he was shooting Muslim and like you said all Muslim are not terrorists.

whatdidyousay! · 08-07-2012, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

More has come out. His neighbor and former landlord were interviewed. He got involved in a white supremacy group, according to his friend.

However, both of them seemed very surprised that he did this - they never thought he would lash out violently.

His friend even asked him why he was involved in the white supremacy stuff and Page would never answer him.

'white supremacy' pretty much explain why a person join the group. I find it very strange that people are so shocked to learn person they know committed a violent crime. It liked the shooter was giving out clues with his 9ll tattoo, making Anti Semitic remarks and joining the white supremacy, the guy was building up a lot of hate and was a walking time bomb.

**saywhatkid** · 08-07-2012, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

I think you missed my point. Any individual that decides to kill innocent people is deranged, regardless of their political affiliation.

Then why are you always the first with the political leaning reports? Nobody except you has tried to spotlight Holmes as a left wing, Liberalist, Obama-supporting nutcase. You also brought up the MSM's "biased" report that they consider Page to be a former member of a "right wing" white supremacist punk band. Nobody else feels the need to mention these things. Only you, and you follow it up with the comment above. If it does not matter to you, why do you continually bring it up? I condemn this guy just as much as Holmes. Your blatant defense of right wing as a bastion of the good, while mocking the left as the source of all things bad, never ends. I don't care about his political leaning. I care that he is accused of murdering several people.

respectyoda · 08-07-2012, 06:37 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/neighbors-temple-shooters-ex-said-had-dropped-off-192016334--abc-news-topstories.html

With the link to an article about Wade, the ex-stepmother of Wade wonders what the effects of his military service has on him.

The military is what causes people to be deranged after so many years of service. Think about the Ft. Hood incident among many others!

airportcop · 08-07-2012, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by respectyoda

http://news.yahoo.com/neighbors-temple-shooters-ex-said-had-dropped-off-192016334--abc-news-topstories.html

With the link to an article about Wade, the ex-stepmother of Wade wonders what the effects of his military service has on him.

The military is what causes people to be deranged after so many years of service. Think about the Ft. Hood incident among many others!

This is not a totally accurate statement! I and many others like me served our country in the military and we haven't done anything like this!

**Foxrac** · 08-07-2012, 06:45 PM

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This is not a totally accurate statement! I and many others like me served our country in the military and we haven't done anything like this!

Yup, I agree with you.

My father served in Marines for 20 years and he hasn't anything like this.

respectyoda · 08-07-2012, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by airportcop

This is not a totally accurate statement! I and many others like me served our country in the military and we haven't done anything like this!

I didn't use quantifiers so I wasn't saying ALL people would be deranged after serving one's country in the military.

**Reba** · 08-07-2012, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by respectyoda

With the link to an article about Wade, the ex-stepmother of Wade wonders what the effects of his military service has on him.

Page served only six years, and not in combat.

His stepmother didn't say anything definitive about military influence on him.

Probably his alcohol abuse was part of the problem.

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The military is what causes people to be deranged after so many years of service. Think about the Ft. Hood incident among many others!

After six years, non-combat? That's ridiculous.

Some war experiences can have a negative impact on people. To say that the military causes people to be deranged is way off course.

The military was NOT the cause of the Ft. Hood attack. We can't get into political debate here but if you do a little research on your own you'll find out what his influences were.

My Hubby and I, each with over 20 years of military service, aren't deranged "after so many years of service."

respectyoda · 08-07-2012, 08:07 PM

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With the link to an article about Wade, the ex-stepmother of Wade wonders what the effects of his military service has on him.

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Page served only six years, and not in combat.

His stepmother didn't say anything definitive about military influence on him.

Probably his alcohol abuse was part of the problem.

After six years, non-combat? That's ridiculous.

Some war experiences can have a negative impact on people. To say that the military causes people to be deranged is way off course.

The military was NOT the cause of the Ft. Hood attack. We can't get into political debate here but if you do a little research on your own you'll find out what his influences were.

My Hubby and I, each with over 20 years of military service, aren't deranged "after so many years of service."

I am merely stating that many of those who served in the military actively are affected mentally, emotionally, and psychologically by the violence they have witnessed on the battlefield.

airportcop · 08-07-2012, 08:25 PM

[quote=respectyoda;2089788][quote=Reba;2089780]

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Originally Posted by respectyoda

With the link to an article about Wade, the ex-stepmother of Wade wonders what the effects of his military service has on him.

I am merely stating that many of those who served in the military actively are affected mentally, emotionally, and psychologically by the violence they have witnessed on the battlefield.

I believe that's a given! Be more concise next time please!

CrazyPaul · 08-07-2012, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by respectyoda

With the link to an article about Wade, the ex-stepmother of Wade wonders what the effects of his military service has on him.

I am merely stating that many of those who served in the military actively are affected mentally, emotionally, and psychologically by the violence they have witnessed on the battlefield.

That's true so that's why they get help.

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Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,526	Daily News U.S Victims of Sikh temple shooting in Wisconsin remembered A mother, a joke-telling Sikh priest, a retired farmer, the temple president and two brothers were among those killed by a lone American gunman with white supremacist beliefs. By Linda Spice In Oak Creek, Wis. AND Bill Hutchinson / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 12:32 AM Temple president Satwant Kaleka was identified as the first victim of the massacre at Oak Creek, Wisconsin. He died at the scene as he tried to tackle the shooter. Opportunity for a better life drew them to America, and the need to give thanks for that blessing brought them to the Sikh temple where they died. A mother, a joke-telling Sikh priest, a retired farmer, the temple president and two brothers were among those killed by a lone American gunman with white supremacist beliefs. As friends and loved ones failed to make sense of the senseless deaths, they said they’ll never forget the achievements and sacrifices each victim made in life. Temple president Satwant Kaleka was identified as the first victim of the massacre at Oak Creek, Wisconsin. He died at the scene as he tried to tackle the shooter. “He was going to protect that house, his people for anything,” said his nephew Kanwardeep Singh Kaleka. Amardeep Kaleka said his father immigrated to the United States from India in 1982 with just $100 in his pocket. Calling his father’s life the “quintessential American dream,” he said his dad started out working at a gas station, putting in 18-hour shifts. He said his dad had previously been the victim of violence. While working at his gas station job, he was once beaten and robbed by attackers who jumped him when he went to take out the garbage. He helped found the Sikh temple in 1997, becoming the lead investor in the building’s construction. “That was his baby,” Amardeep Kaleka told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel of his father’s passion for the temple and its members. “If someone says a light bulb is out at 2 a.m. He was there at 2:15 replacing the light bulb.” Prakash Singh, 39, was a Sikh priest who moved to the United States from India nine years ago. He had just gotten his green card and brought his wife and three chilren from India to join him two months ago. Inderjeet Dhillon, secretary at the temple, said Prakash Singh was so happy and relieved when he finally brought his family to the temple. “I said, ‘Who are these kids? He said, ‘Mr. Dhillon, these are my kids,” Dhillon told the Daily News. “He said, ‘Thank God my family is here. I’m so glad my family is here.’” A friend, Navdeep Gill, said Singh loved telling jokes and used his humor to in his ministry. Paramjit Kaur, 41, the only woman to die in the massacre, was a loving mother and wife. Shauna Singh Baldwin said she tried to console Kaur’s husband Sunday, when he learned his wife, who also hails from India, was dead. “I knew they had children and I asked him where they were. He told me they were at home,” Baldwin said. Shubeg Singh Khatra, 84, was the oldest victim of the tragedy. A widower and retired farmer in India, he moved to Wisconsin in 2004 to be close to his son, Balginder Khatra, a taxi driver. The son said that when his father wasn’t gardening, he was at the temple. “He never missed a day at temple, a day to converse, help in the kitchen, to meet new people,” the son told The News. “He was a talker. He loved to learn about other people.” Dhillon said the elderly man was always praying for people. “He always give me a blessing: ‘God bless you, be happy and prosperous.’ I am going to miss him just so much,” Dhillon said. Also among the dead were Ranjeet Singh, 45, and his brother Seeta, 43. The older Singh moved to the America in 1992 and worked at a grocery store to support a wife, two daughters and son back in India. He recently told his wife that he planned to travel to India in the fall in time for the Diwali festival. It would have been his first trip back home since he left. His widow, Lokinder Kaur, said her husband expected to get his green card next month. “He told me that it was better for our family if he lived and earned there,” the wife told the Hindustan Times. “As he had applied for the green card, he never came back fearing he would miss his green card appointments. I got both my daughters married last year, still he did not come.” She said that when her husband’s brother, Seeta Singh, a musician, traveled to Wisconsin in March, he promised to bring his brother home. “Instead of celebrating their arrival on Diwali, we will mourn their deaths,” the wife said. Their son, Gurwinder, 19, said he had only known his father through photographs and long-distance phone conversations. “This morning I got a call saying that my father is no more,” he said. Read more: Victims of Sikh temple shooting in Wisconsin remembered - NY Daily News

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