Obamacare watch...Supreme Court Decision - Page 7

kokonut · 07-01-2012, 01:59 AM

I wonder how many times Obama lied so far? Anybody keeping track of it?

**Jiro** · 07-01-2012, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

So, there is no fine if you chose not to get insurance??? Interesting

See Post #145.

**Jiro** · 07-01-2012, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

I wonder how many times Obama lied so far? Anybody keeping track of it?

isn't that your hobby/job?

**Reba** · 07-01-2012, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

government. not USPS or Obama Administration. just government.

Well, then, since rolling7 didn't work for "the government" (which is a vague entity) but he did work for USPS, then I see no conflict.

**TXgolfer** · 07-01-2012, 02:04 AM

Not sure why anyone would pay the tax anyway if theIRS can't do anything about it

**Jiro** · 07-01-2012, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Not sure why anyone would pay the tax anyway if theIRS can't do anything about it

because Obama said it isn't a tax!

**TXgolfer** · 07-01-2012, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

See Post #145.

Why don't you try answering the question?

**Jiro** · 07-01-2012, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Well, then, since rolling7 didn't work for "the government" (which is a vague entity) but he did work for USPS, then I see no conflict.

USPS is part of government.

**Jiro** · 07-01-2012, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Why don't you try answering the question?

I already did. Post #145. It doesn't get any clearer than that.

**TXgolfer** · 07-01-2012, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

there's an expression that goes like this - "biting the hand that feeds you"

Rolling worked.....therefore he fed himself.....

**Jiro** · 07-01-2012, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Rolling worked.....therefore he fed himself.....

Rolling worked for government.... paid by government....

**Reba** · 07-01-2012, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

because Obama said it isn't a tax!

Maybe it's a "contribution" like they call the money that is used for Social Security and Medicare.

**TXgolfer** · 07-01-2012, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Rolling worked for government.... paid by government....

Yep, and it was that work that put food on his table......It wasn't a handout

**Jiro** · 07-01-2012, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Maybe it's a "contribution" like they call the money that is used for Social Security and Medicare.

kokonut · 07-01-2012, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Well, then, since rolling7 didn't work for "the government" (which is a vague entity) but he did work for USPS, then I see no conflict.

It wouldn't matter since those who work for the govt have every right to express their displeasure on how their govt is run or managed. There is no conflict at all but a right afforded to each American when it comes to freedom of speech and expression. Working for the govt does not mean you lose your freedom of speech and expression.

**TXgolfer** · 07-01-2012, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Maybe it's a "contribution" like they call the money that is used for Social Security and Medicare.

Oh it's a tax

....That is the only way it held up. Sad thing is, I think it is going to nail the lower middle class if it goes into effect.

kokonut · 07-01-2012, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Rolling worked.....therefore he fed himself.....

Absolutely. No freebies there. Work is work. An earned pay.

**TXgolfer** · 07-01-2012, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

It wouldn't matter since those who work for the govt have every right to express their displeasure on how their govt is run or managed. There is no conflict at all but a right afforded to each American when it comes to freedom of speech and expression. Working for the govt does not mean you lose your freedom of speech and expression.

Exactly, it's crazy to think otherwise

kokonut · 07-01-2012, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Oh it's a tax

....That is the only way it held up. Sad thing is, I think it is going to nail the lower middle class if it goes into effect.

Another broken promise...a lie that revealed itself over time.

kokonut · 07-01-2012, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Exactly, it's crazy to think otherwise

Right. Pretty sad that some people actually think you should lose your freedom of speech and expression just because you work for the govt. *smh*

**Jiro** · 07-01-2012, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

It wouldn't matter since those who work for the govt have every right to express their displeasure on how their govt is run or managed. There is no conflict at all but a right afforded to each American when it comes to freedom of speech and expression. Working for the govt does not mean you lose your freedom of speech and expression.

no it doesn't but it makes you a silly funny hypocrite.... thus "biting the hand that feeds you"

**Jiro** · 07-01-2012, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Right. Pretty sad that some people actually think you should lose your freedom of speech and expression just because you work for the govt. *smh*

you're a perfect example of "biting the hand that feeds you"

that's why I don't work for government.

**Reba** · 07-01-2012, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

USPS is part of government.

"The Postal Service has been self-supporting since 1982:

All income is generated from the sale of stamps and related services

No tax dollars (including from income or sales taxes) is used to pay for the operation of services."
USPS - Frequently Asked Questions - USPS® Facts and Information

However, it wouldn't matter anyway because even government employees have the right to criticize their government leaders. We have the First Amendment, not a dictatorship.

**Jiro** · 07-01-2012, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

"The Postal Service has been self-supporting since 1982:

All income is generated from the sale of stamps and related services

No tax dollars (including from income or sales taxes) is used to pay for the operation of services."
USPS - Frequently Asked Questions - USPS® Facts and Information

it's still part of government regardless of how it's funded.

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Originally Posted by Reba

However, it wouldn't matter anyway because even government employees have the right to criticize their government leaders. We have the First Amendment, not a dictatorship.

again - never said anything about censorship, First Amendment, or any such thing.

only pointing out hypocrisy and demonstrating an example of "biting the hand that feeds you" especially when one has a strong anti-government sentimentalism.

**Reba** · 07-01-2012, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

you're a perfect example of "biting the hand that feeds you"

that's why I don't work for government.

So, do you believe that the entire Civil Service should resign and start over every time there's a new administration?

Except for those the President picks for himself (such as VP, his personal staff and the Cabinet), none of the other civilian workers are working for him. So why can't they criticize what he does? He's not their boss.

**Jiro** · 07-01-2012, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

So, do you believe that the entire Civil Service should resign and start over every time there's a new administration?

Except for those the President picks for himself (such as VP, his personal staff and the Cabinet), none of the other civilian workers are working for him. So why can't they criticize what he does? He's not their boss.

I believe a person shouldn't be working for an organization with a historical record that does not align with one's belief.

I mean... it's like a staunch supporter of PETA working at slaughterhouse

CrazyPaul · 07-01-2012, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Rolling worked for government.... paid by government....

You are correct that USPS is under the federal government but USPS employees are paid by USPS, not by the government. Reba said it all in post # 203. USPS doesn't get taxpayers' money, not even a cent. I hope you will edit this comment of yours above, "paid by government" which is false. Shame on you! (you ****ed up again.)

**Jiro** · 07-01-2012, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

You are correct that USPS is under the federal government but USPS employees are paid by USPS, not by the government. Reba said it all in post # 203. USPS doesn't get taxpayers' money, not even a cent. I hope you will edit this comment of yours above, "paid by government" which is false. Shame on you! (you ****ed up again.)

for proving my point.

USPS = government hence... worked for government. paid by government.

and USPS does receive some taxpayers' money.

The United States Postal Service (USPS). Is it government agency or a private business? It's both.

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The USPS does get some taxpayer support. Around $96 million is budgeted annually by Congress for the "Postal Service Fund." These funds are used to compensate USPS for postage-free mailing for all legally blind persons and for mail-in election ballots sent from US citizens living overseas. A portion of the funds also pays USPS for providing address information to state and local child support enforcement agencies.

The U.S. Postal Service | Need to Know | PBS

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2. The postal service doesn’t rely on taxpayer funds.

Until 1971, mail delivery was handled by the Post Office Department, a Cabinet department in the federal government. Postal worker strikes prompted President Nixon to pass the Postal Reorganization Act in 1971, transforming it into the semi-independent agency we now know as the United States Postal Service. The USPS in its current form runs like a business, relies on postage for revenue and, for the most part, has not used taxpayer money since 1982, when postage stamps became “products” instead of forms of taxation. Taxpayer money is only used in some cases to pay for mailing voter materials to disabled and overseas Americans.

USPS spokespersons have been adamant in emphasizing that they are not requesting taxpayer funds from the federal government to make this year’s payment. Rather, they say, the USPS is asking Congress to authorize access to an estimated $7 billion that they overpaid into the future retiree pension fund in previous years.

and didn't you know anything about USPS' crisis? it's getting to the point where taxpayers' money may be used to bail them out in order to pay for retirees' pension funds.

Saving the Postal Service

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USPS has to save now, or it will not be able to afford retiree health care later. If they can’t, taxpayers will be on the hook for billions of dollars.

To protect taxpayers from covering USPS large unfunded liability on retiree health care benefits, Congress mandated that USPS make a series of catch-up payments, often called “prefunding,” starting in 2007 and going through 2017. These catch-up payments will ensure USPS has saved enough money now to meet these obligations later. Within the next few years, the annual costs of paying current benefits will dwarf current costs. Saving now is the only way to make this affordable later, and prevent a taxpayer funded bailout. Though the Postal Service was created to be a self-sustaining entity- taxpayers stand behind this large and growing liability. If the Postal Service were allowed to immediately cease making these catch-up payments, it would have an unfunded liability of nearly $100 billion by 2017. This would clearly be an unaffordable burden for an entity whose core business and revenue is steadily shrinking. It would likely result in a taxpayer funded bailout of postal workers’ retiree health care payments. The annual deficit of the Postal Service now easily exceeds its entire annual catch-up payment, illustrating its fiscal problems run much deeper.

CrazyPaul · 07-01-2012, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

USPS = government hence... worked for government. paid by government.

You **** up again... I didn't prove your point at all. The government covers postages for those organizations/agencies, not for USPS. Mailing is not free, have you forgotten? If any of them is a business reply mail or has a postage due, it must be paid or it will not be delivered. That's how a business works.

As for retirement fund, USPS pays $5.5 billions into that fund every year for ten years. Not even a cent from taypayers.

The taxpayers don't pay employees/retirees. That's a fact.

Quote from one of your links:

"According to the laws under which it now operates, the U.S. Postal Service is a semi-independent federal agency, mandated to be revenue-neutral. That is, it is supposed to break even, not make a profit."

"The bulk of the cost of operating the postal system has been paid for by customers through the sale of "postal products" and services rather than taxes."

That quote you left below proved my point so thank you.

"2. The postal service doesn’t rely on taxpayer funds.

Until 1971, mail delivery was handled by the Post Office Department, a Cabinet department in the federal government. Postal worker strikes prompted President Nixon to pass the Postal Reorganization Act in 1971, transforming it into the semi-independent agency we now know as the United States Postal Service. The USPS in its current form runs like a business, relies on postage for revenue and, for the most part, has not used taxpayer money since 1982, when postage stamps became “products” instead of forms of taxation. Taxpayer money is ONLY used in some cases to pay for mailing voter materials to disabled and overseas Americans.
USPS spokespersons have been adamant in emphasizing that they are not requesting taxpayer funds from the federal government to make this year’s payment. Rather, they say, the USPS is asking Congress to authorize access to an estimated $7 billion that they overpaid into the future retiree pension fund in previous years."

In other word, so far the retirement fund has about $33 billions and if you think that we deliver them even when the taxpayers don't pay for mailing voter materials, you must be ****ing nuts.

I can go on but I think I need to stop wasting my breath on you because you are hardheaded.

**Foxrac** · 07-01-2012, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I thought rolling7 was retired.

Yup, he says so and I think he probably retired before Obama came in.

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